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The UK cannot just rely on police and intelligence agencies to tackle terrorism, the home secretary has said.

Jacqui Smith said Whitehall needed "to enlist the widest possible range of support" as she unveiled a new UK terror strategy.

The plans include training 60,000 workers in how to stay vigilant for terrorist activity and what to do in the event of an attack.

The strategy also warns nuclear weapons could fall into terrorist hands.

It says the al-Qaeda leadership is likely to fragment, but the threat from those it inspires will remain.

Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said: "Terrorists will try to stay one step ahead of us.

"But we've made sure that we've invested the resources, built the people - both in the police and in the agencies - and built the widest partnership necessary to give us the best chance of being able to deal with that threat."

'Broad-ranging'

Ms Smith said the "extremely broad-ranging" strategy would include ways of tackling radicalisation, supporting mainstream Muslim voices, preparing for the event of an attack and reaching out for support to the wider community.

She told the BBC: "We can't tackle terrorism simply from Whitehall. I don't think tackling terrorism is simply something we can rely on our police and intelligence agencies to do, brilliant though they are - we need to enlist the widest possible range of support."

The new counter-terrorism document talks about the need to "challenge those who reject the rights to which we are committed, scorn the institutions and values of our parliamentary democracy, dismiss the rule of law and promote intolerance".

There will be more focus on preventing the radicalisation of Muslims.

Last month, sources told the BBC's Panorama programme that conservative Muslims who teach that Islam is incompatible with Western democracy will be challenged as part of a new approach.

A senior Whitehall source said that Muslim leaders who urged separation would be isolated and publicly rejected, even if their comments fell within the law.

Stopping the process

Writing in the Observer newspaper on Sunday, Prime Minister Gordon Brown said the government's strategy was not just about training and equipping professionals, but also better informing the public so everyone would become more vigilant.

"The approach we are taking tackles the immediate threat through the relentless pursuit of terrorists and disruption of their plots, builds up our defences against attacks and our resilience to deal with them," he said.

He added that it also "addresses the longer term causes - understanding what leads people to become radicalised, so we can stop the process".

The strategy also puts a renewed emphasis on the extreme risks from chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear weapons if they get into the hands of terrorists.

On Sunday, the home secretary said shop and hotel workers would be among the 60,000 people trained to deal with an incident.

The updated approach, aimed at tackling immediate terrorist threats and the causes of extremism, would be the most comprehensive in the world, she added.

But the Tories have said not enough action is being taken against extremists.

Shadow home secretary Chris Grayling said: "The horrific recent events in Mumbai have highlighted the need for fresh thinking in counter-terrorism - and the whole community needs to be involved in tackling the danger.

"No part of the UK is free from threat - and we know that terrorists want soft targets. But we have argued strongly that the Government is not doing enough to tackle the problem of individuals and groups in the UK who are fostering the hatred and extremism that lies behind the terrorist threat. That really does have to change".

The counter-terrorism document, being published by the Home Office, will go into more detail than ever before, with Ms Smith saying counter-terrorism was "no longer something you can do behind closed doors and in secret".

It will reflect intelligence opinion that the biggest threat to the UK comes from al-Qaeda-linked groups and will also take into account recent attacks on hotels in the Indian city of Mumbai.

The paper - called Contest Two - will update the Contest strategy developed by the Home Office in 2003, which was later detailed in the Countering International Terrorism document released in 2006.

By 2011, Britain will be spending £3.5bn a year on counter-terrorism, the Home Office has said.

The number of police working on counter-terrorism has risen to 3,000 from 1,700 in 2003.

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how about we focus on getting the economy back on track? instead of training people 'how to spot the muslim'?
 
This might sound cynical, but i think they're implementing this new purportedly broad ranging "strategy" to divert attention away from the economic malaise bedevelling the country. Everyone knows they've mishandled it, spent billions bailing out banks yet balk at the notion of spending more on social programmes.

Also, don't forget the apolitical, working class people to whose prejudices this new policy might plausibly be pandering. Many of them are innately bigoted and fostering that attitude with such "anti-terror" strategies, i think they might be hoping would turn out to be a vote winner for them. You could say this is BNP turf they're trespassing into.
 
This might sound cynical, but i think they're implementing this new purportedly broad ranging "strategy" to divert attention away from the economic malaise bedevelling the country. Everyone knows they've mishandled it, spent billions bailing out banks yet balk at the notion of spending more on social programmes.
Likely.

I wonder what the public at large will make of this. Given the state of the economy, will they even care about terrorism at this moment in time?

Also, don't forget the apolitical, working class people to whose prejudices this new policy might plausibly be pandering. Many of them are innately bigoted and fostering that attitude with such "anti-terror" strategies, i think they might be hoping would turn out to be a vote winner for them. You could say this is BNP turf they're trespassing into.
I think it's unfair to paint all working class people with the same brush. It's the minority, the thuggish chavs, that would react in such a manner, not the majority of decent blue-collar folk.
 
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how about they give training to the public on how to spend less,waste less and how to recycle......surely if we dont do the above then that would be a bigger threat to society problems like financial crisis....food shortages the clearing up of resources.............we can't chase the bearded skullcap wearing bogey men when we are poor....so lets enrich ourselves and better our financial situation FIRST then we can catch and beat terrorists like hot cakes.....sounds a good idea to me! :)
 
Greetings and peace be with you Muezzin;

I believe that the government should take the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan, that would reduce the risk of terrorism by about 99%. I can think of no just cause for the British to be in Iraq, and I question the justification to be in Afghanistan.

In the spirit of praying for peace on Earth

Eric
 
From what I've seen reported recently I think a terrorist attack on the UK mainland killing innocently people is a certainty; the only question is when. And, I believe that there is only one group of people who have the ability to stop it and that's the Muslim community in the UK. The question is, would you report another Muslim whom you suspected was likely to kill; I presume that 99% of the Muslims on this foruim would answer "NO" to that question. In response to that I wopuld say, don't complain after it happens that it's nothing to do with you and their actions shouldn't mean that other Muslims are viewed negatively.
 
Greetings and peace be with you Muezzin;

I believe that the government should take the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan, that would reduce the risk of terrorism by about 99%. I can think of no just cause for the British to be in Iraq, and I question the justification to be in Afghanistan.

In the spirit of praying for peace on Earth

Eric


I agree with you on Iraq, I remember thinking at the time that it was complete lunacy but Afghanistan was harbouring Bin Laden and training terrorists to fly to the west and blow us up. Of course we could just float a few cruise missiles over every now and then or we could do nothing!! Was the twin tower attack before US troops entered Iraq and Afghanistan or after?
 
From what I've seen reported recently I think a terrorist attack on the UK mainland killing innocently people is a certainty; the only question is when. And, I believe that there is only one group of people who have the ability to stop it and that's the Muslim community in the UK. The question is, would you report another Muslim whom you suspected was likely to kill; I presume that 99% of the Muslims on this foruim would answer "NO" to that question. In response to that I wopuld say, don't complain after it happens that it's nothing to do with you and their actions shouldn't mean that other Muslims are viewed negatively.

actually, a better question is...who?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8756795263359807776

if you want to stop "terrorism," then you must stop:

1) Mossad/Saudi counterparts & moneyhandlers [read: PTech]
2) CIA/NSA/NSC & ISI stepchild
3) MI5/MI6

and if you want to stop the "flu" pandemic, you must stop Eli Lilly [read: the Bushes/Quayles]

you may now return to your regular programming

:w:
 
From what I've seen reported recently I think a terrorist attack on the UK mainland killing innocently people is a certainty; the only question is when. And, I believe that there is only one group of people who have the ability to stop it and that's the Muslim community in the UK. The question is, would you report another Muslim whom you suspected was likely to kill; I presume that 99% of the Muslims on this foruim would answer "NO" to that question. In response to that I wopuld say, don't complain after it happens that it's nothing to do with you and their actions shouldn't mean that other Muslims are viewed negatively.
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Hmmm . . . the video is 56 minutes long - what's the bottom line?

The 'who' is pretty obvious - it'll be a second generation Pakistani Muslim male aged between 20 and 35 years. He probably did some schooling at a madrassa in Pakistan. Some of you know him, at a point in time, some time back you realsied you hadn't seen him for a while, when he returned you asked him where he'd been and he spun you some half plausible story.
 
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Hmmm . . . the video is 56 minutes long - what's the bottom line?

The 'who' is pretty obvious - it'll be a second generation Pakistani Muslim male aged between 20 and 35 years. He probably did some schooling at a madrassa in Pakistan. Some of you know him, at a point in time, some time back you realsied you hadn't seen him for a while, when he returned you asked him where he'd been and he spun you some half plausible story.
We'll all be sure to scour our Facebook contacts.

Back in the real world, if (Allah forbid) any of my friends get it into their heads that blowing themselves and innocent people up or any other act of terrorism is a good idea, you can bet your buttocks that I'll tell the cops if attempts to talk them down fail.
 
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We'll all be sure to scour our Facebook contacts.

Back in the real world, if (Allah forbid) any of my friends get it into their heads that blowing themselves and innocent people up or any other act of terrorism is a good idea, you can bet your buttocks that I'll tell the cops if attempts to talk them down fail.

Well done, and well done for stating it as I am sure there'll be one or two here ready to jump all over you for saying that.:thumbs_up
 
Well done, and well done for stating it as I am sure there'll be one or two here ready to jump all over you for saying that.:thumbs_up
Let them.

If it comes to it, preventing the loss of innocent life is better than being accused of being a rat.

Fortunately for everyone, I don't think it would come to that in my circle of friends.
 
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A lot people actually think that the government is playing up the terrorism threat to allow them to erode more and more of our civil liberties.
 

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