Splitting of the moon

[root]

Preacher.........

Firstly I have a confession to make. I have un-wittingly become involved within the "Basics Of islam" thread to which I do not really Engage within. This said however, I also noted your apparent rudeness to another poster. So here is your response that you asked for:

You did dance around my post # 31 above, never address it and didn't answer my direct question, I wonder why?

Why! Because I don't accept scripture or religous writings as being valid within this queer universe of ours. To submit such material as a basis of proof for an event happening is not the way I tend to accept such huge claims as the moon physically seperating. I am open minded to many an odity, but to support your claim the way you did invalidates the debate because you have fore knowledge that I am not a muslim. With the lack of scientific evidence, one requires faith. Faith cannot be debated. So why are you asking this of me?

So you think that your source/s of knowledge is "science"??
Come to think that why you were unable to answer my question on evolution thread where I asked "what is the origin of life and/or how the life began?" Why your source of knowledge i.e, "science" does not offer you an answer? Why you avoided my question in my post # 31, if the science is the "panacea' of al your questions/problems?

No, as it happens. Since you are going into much detail allow me to state that I use a lot of sources for knowledge including religion but the main source is indeed science.

I did not realise that I had "failed" to respond to you, So I apologise. It's not all bad news as I have been in quite deep debate with a fellow muslim of yours that I have quite come to respect which included quite a deep debate into the scientific perspective of how we came to be. Here is the link........

Happy reading

http://www.islamicboard.com/showthread.php?t=1867

Though you have mis-interpreted my reasons for failing to respond to you, I am the first to confess that science unlike Christianity and Islam does not hold the answer to "Everything" with respect to how we got here and why we are here and of course what happens after death. Science continually gains knowledge, it is this knowledge that conflicts with many versions of differing religions including Islam.

This means that you have a Judeo-Christian background and upbringing and when you learned (at some of point of your life) that your Bible does not make sense at all, you rejected the Bible and God. This is how you became an "Atheist" and not being learned. No wonder you do not possess the capacity to answer simple questions.

Personally, I would re-phrase what is bolded to make it a more accurate statement about myself. Unless you now want to suggest you know more about me than me!

This means that you have a Judeo-Christian background and upbringing and when you learned (at some of point of your life) that religion does not make sense at all, you rejected religion

You have quoted brother Ansar here, why? I consider it a diversionary tactics, because now you are delibaretly mixing apples and oranges to consufe the issue.

Now you are talking utter nonsense. Firstly preacher, I don't employ "Tactics" that in itself implies working towards a set goal. To which I have none other than a contribution though I fear it exposes yourself as somewhat a "Tactition" in order to consider it! I posted a valid response in that the scripture quoted stated half the moon appeared in front of the mauntain and the other half behind. Ansar (another Muslim) I have come to respect on this forum posted an image depicting the moon splitting in Open view! I was merely asking him why the image he posted is not like the scripture I posted. If you consider this a tactic to cause confusion then I probably marvel at the conspiracy theories you must have within that brain of yours. Though I am still hoping I get an answer to that question

I am not in business of love/loving or sucking up people like you on the Internet. I am also not obligated to love anyone, let alone you. I love for the sake of Allah and I hate for the sake of Allah as a Muslim. I have no desire changing my belief in enjoying the good and forbidding the evil.

Good manners cost nothing! and communication skills are an important tool in todays world do you not think & nobody has spoken about changing your beleif, why would you. However it seems to me that you have a slight perverse sense of debate in that you are willing to debate only when one is in agreement with you. And rude when they are not.

Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand. You are yet another supplier of cheap talk and the proof of that are your posts in this forum. Your denial means nothing to two billion Muslims in this world.

That's your opinion. Not the opinion of 2 billion other muslims therfore I reject what you have said out of hand.

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

Peace Root,
I specifically posted the image to clarify the undertsanding of the miracle as it seemed like there was some confusion. By "scripture" I assume you are referring to the quote you cited in your post just before mine. That quote was part of a larger article, so to explain the quote, I pasted the entire article which should clear confusion that it was not simply a matter half of the moon being invisible due to a mountain. It was a miraculous split, which was viewed by all people after the Prophet saws performed the miracle by God's command. Perhaps we could argue that the article did not explain this clearly enough.

I have read an interesting analysis of the miracle by a Muslim astronomer, who takes a slightly different interpretation of the event, which I shall post later, God willing.

peace

 

[root]

Thanks Ansar for that clarification.

I have a bit of a problem here and please bear in mind I am a non-muslim, so it takes me much longer to look into such matters. The problem I have is specific to the nature of the moon splitting: With this I mean that the splitting of the moon has many sources:

The following narrations and eye witnesses talk directly about Noble Verse 54:1 from the Noble Quran: "The Hour (of Judgement) is nigh, and the moon is cleft asunder. (The Noble Quran, 54:1)"

Let us look at those eye witnesses' narrations:

Narrated Abdullah bin Masud: "During the lifetime of the Prophet the moon was split into two parts and on that the Prophet said, 'Bear witness (to thus).' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Virtues and Merits of the Prophet (pbuh) and his Companions, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 830)"

Narrated Anas: "That the Meccan people requested Allah's Apostle to show them a miracle, and so he showed them the splitting of the moon. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Virtues and Merits of the Prophet (pbuh) and his Companions, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 831)"

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: "The moon was split into two parts during the lifetime of the Prophet. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Virtues and Merits of the Prophet (pbuh) and his Companions, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 832)"

Narrated Anas bin Malik: "The people of Mecca asked Allah's Apostle to show them a miracle. So he showed them the moon split in two halves between which they saw the Hiram' mountain. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar), Volume 5, Book 58, Number 208)"

Narrated 'Abdullah: "The moon was split ( into two pieces ) while we were with the Prophet in Mina. He said, "Be witnesses." Then a Piece of the moon went towards the mountain. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar), Volume 5, Book 58, Number 209)"

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas: "During the lifetime of Allah's Apostle the moon was split (into two places). (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar), Volume 5, Book 58, Number 210)"

Narrated 'Abdullah: "The moon was split (into two pieces). (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Merits of the Helpers in Madinah (Ansaar), Volume 5, Book 58, Number 211)"

Narrated Abdullah: "Five things have passed, i.e. the smoke, the defeat of the Romans, the splitting of the moon, Al-Batsha (the defeat of the infidels in the battle of Badr) and Al-Lizam (the punishment)' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Prophetic Commentary on the Qur'an (Tafseer of the Prophet (pbuh)), Volume 6, Book 60, Number 345)"

OK, so here we have 8 testimonies to the splitting of the moon. (I have bolded the actual reference to the splitting of the moon). If we eliminate the above comments based on the fact that the splitting of the moon is only mentioned and not expanded upon. This would leave us with only two.

the moon split in two halves between which they saw the Hiram' mountain.

and

Then a Piece of the moon went towards the mountain

Now reduced to two, the two conflict. One states in an ambiguos manner the other mentions only one part. If the "proof" describes a physical seperation where the two moons appear as two seperate entities then please post them. additionally where in the authentic Islamic books do we see any mention of Prophet Muhammad splitting the moon with his index finger.

My point here is to find a definitive answer to the moon physically splitting in two, or the moon being split in two by a mauntain restricting the view of the orther half?