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1. Did PM recommend any Successor(s) after him? How many?
2. Did PM name them? Or was it left to the earlier to name the next?
3. Or appointment was left for consultation and/or inheritance?
4. Who was the first Successor and who is the last?
5. Where did each successor receive their knowledge from?
6. Were they mentioned in the Glorious Quran? Any reference?
7. How many of them were companions to PM?
8. Is any one of them alive now? What is his role, if alive?
9. What is the Ummah supposed to follow today?
 
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AzizMostafa said:
1. Did PM recommend any Successor(s) after him? How many?
2. Did PM name them? Or was it left to the earlier to name the next?
3. Or appointment was left for consultation and/or inheritance?
4. Who was the first Successor and who is the last?
5. Where did each successor receive their knowledge from?
6. Were they mentioned in the Glorious Quran? Any reference?
7. How many of them were companions to PM?
8. Is any one of them alive now? What is his role, if alive?
9. What is the Ummah supposed to follow today?
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woh blud talkin about askin Qs

PM? :enough!:

1- RasoolAllah (sal Allah hu aleyhi wasalam), didnt officially name a successor, but he gave many ideas as to who he saw fittest for leadin the ummah after him, and this is seen in many cases i.e -

when a woman went to see RasoolAllah (saw) he told her to come back at so and so time, and she asked him, what happens if she couldnt find him, then he said go to Abu Bakr (ra)

now this hadiths, which is in bukhari, shows bare points , but the main point is that, imagine the woman had a really important Q that needed answerin, RasoolAllah (saw) has so much confidence in Hadhrat Abu Bakr (ra) that he knows, no matter what the woman wanted, Abu Bakr (ra) would be able to help her out! and it also shows, when the Prophet (saw) wasnt available, he would want you to go to Abu Bakr (ra)

also, the cases of when he asked Hadhrat Abu Bakr (ra) to lead the prayers, when he was ill, all the evidence is there, that if he had to choose one he would have chose, Hadhrat Abu Bakr (ra)

3 - he left it too the sahaba, to have a ashura council, and we know that they had one and the ansar and muhajiroon, both decided that Abu Bakr (ra) was the best person among them to be the khilifah!

4 - the 1st Successor is Hadhrat Abu Bakr (ra) and the last from the khilafa e Rashideen was Hadhrat Ali (ra) and the last Ummayyad Khilafa was the 2nd Marwan

5 - well the 1st 4 khilafas- the khilafa e rashideen, got there knowlegde directly from RasoolAllah (saw) because they were his sahaba, and we know that whenever there was a problem all the 4 sahaba would use each other and other sahabas

6 - no sahaba apart from Hadhrat Zaid (ra) is mentioned in the Quran, but there are verses pertainin to each one of them like Abu Bakr (ra) is known as the "second of the two in the cave" - v40 of surah tawba

7 - many of the khilafahs were companions to RasoolAllah (ra) i.e all the khilafa e Rashideen were, and from the Umayyads - Hadhrat Muawiya (ra) was a companion

8 - erm bredrin none of them are alive now! they were alive 1000 yrs ago!!!

9 - the ummah is supposed to follow the Quran and the Sunnah Of RasoolAllah (saw)
 
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As Salaamu Alaykum,

7. How many of them were companions to Prophet Muhammed?
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The Ulaamah's definiton as to who were classified as the Companions of the Prophet (Sahaabah) is:

"Man Ra'aa An-Nabiy 'alayhis-salaam Mu'minan bihii wa maata 'alaa dhaalik."

Meaning: Whosoever saw the prophet (salallaahu 'alayhi wasallam), believed in Him, and died upon that state ( of Faith).

The first part of the condition; "who ever saw the prophet" rules out those who were was alive at the same time as him, believed in him but did not see him.

and second condition: "to have Faith (Imaan in him)" rules out those who saw him, but did not believe ie: Mushriks n' Munaafiq..

and the third condition: "to die upon that state of Faith" rules out the Sahaabiy/ Sahaabiyah that apostated then dies upon kufr, They are no longer classified as a companion.

Wallaahu A'lam.

Hope that helped InshaAllah.
 
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7 - many of the khilafahs were companions to RasoolAllah (ra) i.e all the khilafa e Rashideen were, and from the Umayyads - Hadhrat Muawiya (ra) was a companion.

Amirah_87 (Umm 7aider),
Did Hadhrat Muawiya (ra) appoint his son Yazeed (ra) to be khilafa after him?
If not, then how was Yazeed (ra) chosen for the khilafat (leadership)?
 
Ahlan Brother
I must admit you are one clever doode, I can see where you are taking it.

BTW NO Prophet's name is PM

only people who I know, use terms like this are the ones who believe Ali R.A. was the heir to prophethood failing that Khilafah at the very least

P.S. That was my last ever reply to you on any subject

Ma'asalaama
 
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First of all brother Aziz Mustafa, please do not abbreviate our beloved Prophet's (salallahu alaihi wa salam) name into "PM" as this is highly disrespectful. I see that you are in Iran, you should know that the leader of the Islamic Revolution in Iran (Imam Khomeini) was a very pious man who had great love for the Holy Prophet (salallahu alaihi wa salam) and could not bear any insult against him, which is why he issued the fatwa of death against the wretched satan, Rushdie, who ridiculed the Holy Prophet (salallahu alaihi wa salam) as well as his family and his companions.

1. The Holy Prophet (salallahu alaihi wa salam) did not mention a specific person to succeed him as khalifa. However, after his death the Sahaba (raziallahu anhum) were unanimous in electing Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddiqi (raziallahu anhu) as the khalifa. Actually, the khalifa is appointed by Allah Himself, and it is only by His will that a khalifa can be elected or appointed:

The Prophet said, "Allah never sends a Prophet or gives the Khilafat to a Khalifa but that he (the Prophet or the Khalifa) has two groups of advisors: A group advising him to do good and exhorts him to do it, and the other group advising him to do evil and exhorts him to do it. But the protected person (against such evil advisors) is the one protected by Allah.' " (Sahih Bukhari; Kitab-ul-Ahkam)

So the above cited hadith is proof that the appointing of a Khalifa is the perogative of Allah Tala, just as the appointing of a Prophet is. Though the Khalifa may be elected by a council of pious believers, or named by the previous Khalifa, in reality, his appoinment is the work of Allah.

With this clarification in mind, many of your remaining questions are automatically answered. In regard to who we should follow today, unfortunately we are bereft of Khalifa because mainly a lack of unity and righteousness on our part as a Faith based community. The Holy Prophet (salallahu alaihi wa salam), however, prophecised the advent of twelve khulafa, all from the Quraish clan. So far four of the khulafa have come, so in the future we can expect Allah to raise for us eight more, including Hazrat Imam Mahdi (alaihi salam).
 
Talha777 said:
you should know that the leader of the Islamic Revolution in Iran (Imam Khomeini) was a very pious man who had great love for the Holy Prophet (salallahu alaihi wa salam) and could not bear any insult against him, which is why he issued the fatwa of death against the wretched satan, Rushdie
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Excuse my ignorance and explain to me
Why, if khomeini the pious was such a great lover of our Prophet, took so long to come up with that "fatwah" of his, while Rajiv Gandhi (a Hindu) banned the book as soon as it hit the shelves?
B.T.W. how many years did it take khomeini to come up with his fatwah?
. So far four of the khulafa have come, so in the future we can expect Allah to raise for us eight more, including Hazrat Imam Mahdi (alaihi salam).
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Hello, Are you sure about that?

More information will be appreciated

Thank you kindly
 
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I see that you are in Iran, you should know that the leader of the Islamic Revolution in Iran (Imam Khomeini) was a very pious man who had great love for the Holy Prophet (salallahu alaihi wa salam) and could not bear any insult against him, which is why he issued the fatwa of death against the wretched satan, Rushdie, who ridiculed the Holy Prophet (salallahu alaihi wa salam) as well as his family and his companions.
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The last person that would have cared about the Sahaba was Khomieni. He has written against Abu Bakr, Umar, and Aisha r.a. and said many evils against them. That is why the Ulema declared Takfir of this man saying that he is no longer a Muslim. And how can he be a muslim, much less a pious one when he believes that his mehdi will come and ressurrect Abu Bakr, Umar, and Aisha r.a. and whip them naked? How can he be a muslim when he believes that his 12 imams control "every atom of creation" which is a great lie? By Allaah he is not Ayatullah, but rathar an Ayatus Shaitan.

So far four of the khulafa have come, so in the future we can expect Allah to raise for us eight more, including Hazrat Imam Mahdi (alaihi salam).
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Some of the Ulema consider Umar ibn AbdilAziz as the fifth. There is unanimous consensus that he was the Mujadid of his times. There have been others and I think that the opinion of (atleast the majority) is that the Mahdi will be last of these 12 Khulafa.
 
So far four of the khulafa have come, so in the future we can expect Allah to raise for us eight more, including Hazrat Imam Mahdi (alaihi salam).
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Now I did not know that....
 
AzizMostafa said:
1. Did PM recommend any Successor(s) after him? How many?
2. Did PM name them? Or was it left to the earlier to name the next?
3. Or appointment was left for consultation and/or inheritance?
4. Who was the first Successor and who is the last?
5. Where did each successor receive their knowledge from?
6. Were they mentioned in the Glorious Quran? Any reference?
7. How many of them were companions to PM?
8. Is any one of them alive now? What is his role, if alive?
9. What is the Ummah supposed to follow today?
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The holy prophet neither recommeded any Khalifa to succeed him, nor he defined any clear rules for the khalifa. That's why there was a political crisis soon after his demise. The four famous Khalifas were elected in four different ways within the next just 29 years. Everyone of them claimed that his electoral process was the one which is closest to the teachings of Quran and Hadith. Nobody but Allah knows the best who was right. However, we must respect the opinion of the majority from all the companions of the holy prophet regarding this issue.
 
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Muslim Book 020, Number 4483:
It has been narrated on the authority of Amir b. Sa'd b. Abu Waqqas who said: I wrote (a letter) to Jabir b. Samura and sent it to him through my servant Nafi', asking him to inform me of something he had heard from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). He wrote to me (in reply): I heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say on Friday evening, the day on which al-Aslami was stoned to death (for committing adultery): The Islamic religion will continue until the Hour has been established, or you have been ruled over by twelve Caliphs, all of them being from the Quraish. also heard him say: A small force of the Muslims will capture the white palace, the police of the Persian Emperor or his descendants. I also heard him say: Before the Day of Judgment there will appear (a number of) impostors. You are to guard against them. I also heard him say: When God grants wealth to any one of you, he should first spend it on himself and his family (and then give it in charity to the poor). I heard him (also) say: I will be your forerunner at the Cistern (expecting your arrival).
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I do not want to bring in sectarianism, however it has to be clarified that these 12 are not the ones that the Radifa say are their 12 Imams, because many of them did not hold positions of authority.
 
Some of the Ulema consider Umar ibn AbdilAziz as the fifth
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Yes Umar ibn AbdilAziz. now I have heard of him. Thats was me think that there was 4 Khulafa.
 
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Idris said:
Yes Umar ibn AbdilAziz. now I have heard of him. Thats was me think that there was 4 Khulafa.
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Na'am, i think one of them was Sufyan Al-Thawri, who lived at the same time and place as Imaam Abu Hanifah [in Kufa - Iraq] who said that Umar ibn Abdul Aziz was the 5th Khalifah Al-Raashid, and its recorded in Abi Dawud. wa Allaahu a'lam.
 
Al Madani said:
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The last person that would have cared about the Sahaba was Khomieni. He has written against Abu Bakr, Umar, and Aisha r.a. and said many evils against them. That is why the Ulema declared Takfir of this man saying that he is no longer a Muslim. And how can he be a muslim, much less a pious one when he believes that his mehdi will come and ressurrect Abu Bakr, Umar, and Aisha r.a. and whip them naked? How can he be a muslim when he believes that his 12 imams control "every atom of creation" which is a great lie? By Allaah he is not Ayatullah, but rathar an Ayatus Shaitan.



Some of the Ulema consider Umar ibn AbdilAziz as the fifth. There is unanimous consensus that he was the Mujadid of his times. There have been others and I think that the opinion of (atleast the majority) is that the Mahdi will be last of these 12 Khulafa.
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Thanks i did not know this. Jazakallah
 
SATalha said:
Thanks i did not know this. Jazakallah
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I think we're getting off the topic.

The main question in this topic I guess is that Is there any specific procedure specified in Quran or Hadith to elect/select a Khalifa in Islam?

My answer to this is no. All four Khalifas were elected in four differnt ways. This resulted in differences among the Muslims that gave rise to many fitnas soon after.
 
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amirah_87 said:
As Salaamu Alaykum,



The Ulaamah's definiton as to who were classified as the Companions of the Prophet (Sahaabah) is:

"Man Ra'aa An-Nabiy 'alayhis-salaam Mu'minan bihii wa maata 'alaa dhaalik."

Meaning: Whosoever saw the prophet (salallaahu 'alayhi wasallam), believed in Him, and died upon that state ( of Faith).

The first part of the condition; "who ever saw the prophet" rules out those who were was alive at the same time as him, believed in him but did not see him.
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I was under the impression that the seeing the Prophet, peace be upon him, was when the Prophet, peace be upon him was alive, meaning seeing him when alive, not seeing his body when he's dead.
 
iqbal_soofi said:
I think we're getting off the topic.

The main question in this topic I guess is that Is there any specific procedure specified in Quran or Hadith to elect/select a Khalifa in Islam?

My answer to this is no. All four Khalifas were elected in four differnt ways. This resulted in differences among the Muslims that gave rise to many fitnas soon after.
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no it is not.

thread starter wants to prove from Quraan that we all should follow what he follows. I fell for his tricks when he asked me to tell him about learning Quraan tafsir. then some thing struck me as odd and searched for all his posts and read them.

http://www.islamicboard.com/islamic-sources/37733-best-tafsir.html#post675130
 
1. Peace be on Prophet+Messenger Mohammed

2. Is Mo'awiya counted among the 12 successors?
Was not he one of the 10 Promised Paradise? Is not (13:20-22) applicable to him?
... who fulfil God’s covenant, and break not the compact
who join what God has commanded shall be joined, and fear their Lord, and dread the evil reckoning
patient men, desirous of the Face of their Lord, who perform the prayer,
and expend of that We have provided them, secretly and in public,
and who avert evil with good, theirs shall be the Ultimate Abode

3. Why were Bani Ommaya + Bani Al-Abbas not recognized as successors save one?
Is is because they -- Ommaya + Bani Al-Abbas -- mistreated the 4 Imams (ra)?
http://www.islamicboard.com/biographies-islamic-figures/35221-basic-facts-about-4-imaams-fiqh.html
... and did such as break the covenant of God after its solemn binding,
and such as cut what God has commanded should be joined, and such as do corruption in the land (2:27)
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4. Hope the discussion goes on in the light of the following Quranic verses:
(14:24-26) : Have you not seen how God has struck a similitude?
A good word is as a good tree--its roots are firm, and its branches are in heaven
it gives its produce every season by the leave of its Lord
So God strikes similitudes for men; haply they will remember
And the likeness of a corrupt word is as a corrupt tree-uprooted from earth, having no stablishment.
(17:60)
And We made the vision that We showed you and the tree cursed in the Koran to be only a trial for men.
28:68-70 : Your Lord creates whatsoever He will and He chooses, they have not the choice.
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Thanks + Flowers to All.
 
Assalamu alaikum brother Aziz Mustafa.

Hazrat Ameer Muaviya (raziallahu anhu) is not counted as one of the Khulafa Rashideen. Neither is he counted as one of the Ashra Mubashra (raziallahu anhum).

Also, the Ummayad and Abbasid dynasties are not considered as part of the Khilafat Rashideen because those dynasties were mostly despotic monarchies. Some, however, believe that the Mujadid, Umar bin Abdul Aziz was the fifth Khalifa. Also, only one from the Quraish clan can hold the office of khilafat.