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Can someone please give me a reliable translation of Sunaan Abu Dawud 11.2135.
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Can someone please give me a reliable translation of Sunaan Abu Dawud11.2135.
Thank you.
Did you know that people prostrated towards Prophet Yusuf [Joseph]? Did you know that the angels prostrated towards Prophet Adam?
And in regard to the husband/wife hadith. What's so shocking about it? The man has many duties which he does in order to support his wife; its his duty to feed her, clothe her, home her. She's almost dependant upon him to live her life. And yet still - she doesn't have to bow down to him does she? Since the Messenger of Allaah said IF i were to..
Where? You have me curious.
I'm still a bit confused, the Hadith then assumes that women are incapable of supporting themselves?
In the laws of these and previous Prophets, it was allowed for the people to prostrate before the men of authority, when they met them. This practice was allowed in the law of Adam until the law of `Isa, peace be upon them, but was later prohibited in our law. Islam made prostration exclusively for Allah Alone, the Exalted and Most Honored. The implication of this statement was collected from Qatadah and other scholars. When Mu`adh bin Jabal visited the Sham area, he found them prostrating before their priests. When he returned (to Al-Madinah), he prostrated before the Messenger of Allah , who asked him,
That was the vision of Prophet Yusuf when he was a child as its been explained at the beginning of the surah:
No, women have the right to work also. However it is an obligation upon the man whereas it isn't an obligation upon the wife to support the husband financially.
Was prostration both used to worship God and greet men of authority then in this time period?
Interesting. If these great prophets did this, why abolish it?
So because of this, Mohammad said that if one were to prostate it should be a women to her husband? Seems fine, to me, since during those times there were very different. I hope however, this belief isn't carried by Muslims today.
Because God knows that there were among mankind people who took these pious people as 'intermediaries' or deities along with God [i.e christian saints]. And that is the concept of shirk [associating partners with God] which is the most evil of sins in the sight of Allaah. So to save this muslim nation from falling into the same traps, God forbade the doorway to it.
It can't be practised since we are only to bow to Allaah only.
Why even allow it in the first place then? God is all knowing.
If you've read the hadith you'll see the word 'IF' is used, which is showing how much rights they [the husband/wife] have upon each other.It's in no way implying that bowing to the husband/wife is allowed since its been explained in the earlier posts - bowing is for Allaah only/alone.
But at that time was it done, or allowed since it was the thing to do back then before Allah then realised that men probably shouldn't do it? Or is Mohammad just using an example to show how men and women have different roles, and it was really never done, but just used as an example for the places they hold?
It was never doneAllaah's Messenger Muhammad (peace be upon him) only showed the high rights both husband and wife have upon each other.
Think about it, even if a wife works and she's more wealthier than the husband - its still an obligation upon him to support her. However, if she is willing to support the husband with her wealth - then this is a form of good on her behalf and she will be rewarded for it. So its in no way implying that women are lower than men, so please don't think that.
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I'll take your word for it, however, the example he gives by saying "I would command women to prostrate themselves before their husbands" Sure makes them seem lower since prostrating will make you certainly lower then the person your bowing to. :?
Was Prophet Joseph's father pious? His father was Prophet Israel [Jacob/Ya'qub] - however his father still bowed to him. Didn't he?
Then I don't understand why is was lawful for them, and not us anymore. :exhausted Surely God has the sight to see that men would think of it as worship.
And if it isn't forbidden in this nation [ummah] - then people may prostrate to other people, and this may lead to them commiting shirk [associating partners with Allaah in worship] and there would be no prophet telling them that what they're doing is wrong, since Muhammad (peace be upon him) is Allaah's final Messenger. So to stop people from falling into the evil, the doorway is closed and its been forbidden. Full Stop.
How would a common thing in those days as this leadsomeone to shirk?
Because times change and something which may seem innocent at one time may not always be that innocent at another time. Like the example of Jesus son of Mary being raised to the level of God by the people.
Regards.