You are missing the point. It's not that Israel has done wrong, they have. It is that there is no real criticism to the evil perpetrated by the self-proclaimed muslims. Ive been trying to point out the wrong or questionable Palestinians have done as you asked, and all you really end up doing is criticising Israel, time and again. So I ask, again, what happened to agreeing with both sides ignore their own contribution to the cycle of violence.
Oh I see what you mean now.
Because I'd really like see muslims act against it and other racism without the whining kuffar.
But I haven't seen Muslims here actually hate Jews. I know they hate Zionism.
The same way people know BNP is racist? Hamas and their targetting of civilians had been around long time before the elections and Palestinians were muslims and reading Quran and how killing civilians is wrong long before Hamas.
The British citizens know what they are voting for. The Palestinian civilians didn't entirely know how Hamas was going to act. No one knows what actions the government take and know what the consequences might occur during a conflict. Did America citizens knew what action the Bush Administration was going to take against the war on terror? They used torture upon suspects and the public did not foresee these actions.
In wars and conflict, I don't blame the people. I blame the government and their military actions.
Yes, shall we start a competion where each other picks senceless acts of violence perpetrated by other side? Besides you again ignore the reasons why Israel behaves this way. If the harmful actions of Israel causes wrongdoings by Palestinians then surely the things you are not pleased with causes wrongdoings by Israelis.
Israel behaves this way because they have been attacked by Hamas. Hamas attacks Israel because they want their land back. I'm not even justifying Hamas actions. I already stated I dislike some of their tactics.
What stops someone supporting Israeli side saying "Yes I'm not pleased with some of their actions, but I do support them to fight against the Palestinian terrorism"? He is displeased by the bombing you just quoted, but he supports Israel because they are the right good side according to him. Such position in my opinion is what leads to the cycle of violence, the overlooking of wrongdoings for the greater cause.
The cycle of violence won't end if both sides are going to start negotiating. Yes I agree.
But planket statements of blame are fun, maybe something about if there was any care for Israeli civilian victims and the unislamic manner of fighting, they would have done something about it now in the approximately sixty years?
I'm blaming Israel for how the conflict began. I'm blaming Hamas for the actions they have taken against the innocent civilllians.
I don't think its off topic. Because, what is the implication of all this in the case of Ibrahim. He sees that fighting unislamically brings you martyrdom and all that really matters is fighting back against the oppression of muslims, not how you fight.
Okay.
I think this line of outright ignoring of wrongdoings by muslims and calling them martyrs because they fight for the right cause and blaming their enemies for everything is one of the reasons what leads people to think that what they do is right.
I didn't ignore the wrongdoings of Muslims. I told you I dislike the actions taken by Hamas. In every conflict civilians die. We all support America during world war two, but that doesn't mean we support the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Like I stated before, I don't approve of Hamas actions. I know what they have done. They attacked Israeli civilians and hide in area where there is a high population of Palestinian civilians, so Israel would be reluctant to attack them because they shall be killing off civilians during the conflict. Hamas even uses their people as a human shield while they attack Israeli civilians. I consider that cowardly act. I already agreed with you right from the beginning that I dislike Hamas actions.
