The Central Flaw of Christianity (another article)

[Amigo]

Hola Hamza81

That was a way of speaking the great mystery of salvation.
I did not mean that God got tired and died or something like that. Certainly these things don't happen to God as the quote you shared said.

What I meant was that God while being non-violent is yet deadly himself by his being. So when the evils of violence and death approches him, it is the evils which perishes, not God.
No, God is not the Author of death. God is only the Author of all that is good. Satan is the Author of death.

 

[Amigo]

Also Woodrow
There is no guilt in heaven, that's one of the reasons it is heaven.

Heaven and Hell are the one and the same thing. The difference is between the people who are in there.
A small analogy can be like comparing a fish and a cat in water; a thief and an athlete in a place that knows no darkness; etc...

 

[Amigo]

Why does death have to die?
Death is the last ennemy of mankind, it faces its own judgements and 'dies'. God is all good, He wants all man to live and enjoy life to the fullest.

Is death a person/God/...
No, a reality, you surely know what death is, the basics...

How is it that death is so far superior and powerfull?
Good question, think about it.
Can it overpower God?
God wouldn't be God if He could be overpowered by death...but no one else can overpower it, that's how powerful it is. This is also why only God can forgive sin, because sin is what brings people to death.

Jews accused of killing God?
Actually all men are guilty.
Ever heard of people killing the truth?
Can truth die? (this would be a nice good new thread )

 

[Amigo]

Oh sorry, forgot to point out that this (above) is a reply to siam.

 

[Grace Seeker]

Just a thought to throw out.

If Jesus(as) suffered for man's sins and is God)swt), that means that each and every human is responsible of causing an all just and all merciful God(swt) to suffer unimaginable pain. What man could live with such guilt and face an eternity in heaven constantly knowing he had caused his Savior to suffer.

Woodrow, you are right in saying that we each do have the burden ofrealizing what the consequences of our actions meant for God. I think you are wrong in your conclusion that this means we must live with guilt. Guilt is a legal pronouncement on a person. God has not made that pronouncement. That is the whole point of these atonement theories, God declares us not guilty.

You may complain that God is then unjust toward his own justice and on that point I would have to agree. But again, that is exactly the point on which Christianity and Islam part company -- in one religion mankind seeks to have a record of merit and thereby pull ourselves up by our own bootstraps, in the other we are totally dependent on God who grants us unmerited grace.

Perhaps you meant not to say "guilt", but "shame". Shame is a feeling internal to each one of us when confronted with the recognition that we are guilty of something -- in this case causing Christ to suffer death on the cross. The good news is that the Father's love (as exemplified by the Father in Jesus' story of the prodigal son (Luke 15)), is so great as to fill us with his own sense of joy instead of the shame we would otherwise no doubt feel.

Just a [second] thought to throw out.

An eternity in deserved hell would be less painful for a man, than living an eternity in heaven with that guilt.

"God, in the end, gives people what they most want, including freedom from himself. What could be more fair?" ~C.S. Lewis

 

[Woodrow]

Woodrow, you are right in saying that we each do have the burden ofrealizing what the consequences of our actions meant for God. I think you are wrong in your conclusion that this means we must live with guilt. Guilt is a legal pronouncement on a person. God has not made that pronouncement. That is the whole point of these atonement theories, God declares us not guilty.

You may complain that God is then unjust toward his own justice and on that point I would have to agree. But again, that is exactly the point on which Christianity and Islam part company -- in one religion mankind seeks to have a record of merit and thereby pull ourselves up by our own bootstraps, in the other we are totally dependent on God who grants us unmerited grace.

Perhaps you meant not to say "guilt", but "shame". Shame is a feeling internal to each one of us when confronted with the recognition that we are guilty of something -- in this case causing Christ to suffer death on the cross. The good news is that the Father's love (as exemplified by the Father in Jesus' story of the prodigal son (Luke 15)), is so great as to fill us with his own sense of joy instead of the shame we would otherwise no doubt feel.




"God, in the end, gives people what they most want, including freedom from himself. What could be more fair?" ~C.S. Lewis

Peace Gene,

After reading your critique, I agree shame would have been a better choice of word.