~ The CIA's Family Jewels ~

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"The CIA has a Job to do,"

"War is dirty, and people die in war,"

"Guerrilla warfare is dishonorable,"

"The cowardly insurgents hide in populated areas,"

If we ever face these situations, you'll see these people change their tune, and Justify what they do and condemn what is being done to them.

It'll be more excuse making up the wazoo.

Their level of hypocrisy and double standards are absolutely nauseating...
 
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If we ever face these situations, you'll see these people change their tune, and Justify what they do and condemn what is being done to them.


Who, exactly, is "we"?

Dood, quit strutting around like some kind of Daniel Webster reincarnation...the chief directive of the CIA for all those years was the defeat of the Soviet Union. There were indeed excesses in that struggle...some of which I don't think you even mentioned but I am not sure because your posts are insufferably long and innumerable and no mortal has the patience to read them.

Two big ones were the Bay of Pigs invasion and the support of the coup and (as it happened, assassination) of President Ky in South Vietnam. Both of these were actually explicitly authorized by Kennedy. Subsequently, Ford, I think, explicitly authorized a Presidential Order specifically forbiding any agency of the US Govnmt from conducting "political assassination". There is a substantial legal penalty for disobeying the Order.

Allende, the Shah, stingers for the Mujahadin ..those were all about thwarting the Soviet Union, which was responsible for the murder/enslavement/forced exodus of dozens of millions of people, no small number of them Muslim. How do you think the Russians got into Chechnya and Ossetia to start with...invitations?

How do you think the hundreds of millions of people in Eastern Europe and the Baltic states feel about the Russians? Why do you think the Berliners stood on the Wall in ecstasy and started to tear it down with sledge hammers? Have you ever spoken to a Cambodian about the Kmer Rouge? I have. You ever talk to Cuban expats living in the US. I have. They would cut out Castro's liver with a Boy Scout knife if they had a chance.

You have such a monolithic worldview that you cannot see the grander historical perspective. Guess what. The Soviet Union is kaput. You are welcome.
 
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"The CIA has a Job to do,"

"War is dirty, and people die in war,"

"Guerrilla warfare is dishonorable,"

"The cowardly insurgents hide in populated areas,"

If we ever face these situations, you'll see these people change their tune, and Justify what they do and condemn what is being done to them.

It'll be more excuse making up the wazoo.

Their level of hypocrisy and double standards are absolutely nauseating...

All those statements are true. Nobody is suggesting the American military is a display of perfection on the battlefield, and nobody is suggesting the CIA is innocent or perfect. It many cases it comes down to intent. In the case of guerilla warfare, especially the urban kind, civilians are shields. That is the point of hiding among them. No matter how much restraint a conventional military may exercise, eventually the hammer will drop. Sometimes that hammer drops on the wrong spot, and civilians are killed. You don't "justify" it, you rationalize it. In war civilians will be killed, sometimes it is intentional, like the Dresden firebombing, or the atomic bombs in Japan, and sometimes it is a product of bad planning or faulty intelligence. Nobody is safe from war, especially not civilians.

Again, the issue is intent. No sane pilot is hoping that when he pulls that trigger his munitions will blow up a civilian complex. They are either following coordinates given to them by command, or they are going by radar blips that show the source of rocket or missile fire. Then it goes back to the other side. Why are the these guerilla fighters firing rockets from a civilian apartment complex? The answer is two fold. Firstly, they are hoping that their enemies will restrain themselves from firing upon a civilian area even though they are taking fire from a civilian area. Secondly, they are hoping that if their enemies do fire upon them in the civilian areas, these attacks will kill civilians, creating bad PR for their enemies. That is guerilla warfare 101.

As I stated earlier, the hammer will eventually fall. There is no way around it. Civilians die as a result. Who is the good guy? Nobody. Who bears responsibility? Both parties. However, since most people see the world as "us vs. them", each side will rationalize and attempt to justify their mistakes and deliberate actions. Those guerilla fighters who took up residence in the civilian areas bear obvious responsibility. Those forces who opposed them bear responsibility for rationalizing the benefits of killing those guerilla fighters regardless of the civilian cost.
 
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"The CIA has a Job to do,"

"War is dirty, and people die in war,"

"Guerrilla warfare is dishonorable,"

"The cowardly insurgents hide in populated areas,"

If we ever face these situations, you'll see these people change their tune, and Justify what they do and condemn what is being done to them.

It'll be more excuse making up the wazoo.

Their level of hypocrisy and double standards are absolutely nauseating...

I think Cog & keltoi summed it up for you pretty well.... My question for you is, what do you think you are proving or what is the point behind these mass posts of copy and paste? Did you really think you were proving something with this or the issue of "terror" plots by other people than Muslims or so called Muslims? I am just curious... you say "If we ever face these situations, you'll see these people change their tune, and Justify what they do and condemn what is being done to them. It'll be more excuse making up the wazoo.", are you not making excuses in nearly every post you put on here? Instead of taking a look at the real problem, people using the Muslim title to justify violence, you would rather attempt to divert attention or ask why isnt anything else being focused on, or why isnt it called terrorism or why arent Christians being chased around... it seems as though your hypocrisy and double standards are nauseating, by your own definition. When have you ever posted a single thing about insurgent injustices? There are certainly plenty of them, they happen every day probably around 50 to 100 people each day, but no you would rather talk about the CIA activities during the cold war... LOL, perhaps if you at least tried to take a look at the whole scope of things you might be a little more credible or worth actually replying to
 
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The CIA's War On The Third World

John Stockwel, former CIA Angola Station Chief, talks about the Agency's: Third World War.

Stockwell, also talks about: How 6 million People Were slaughtered In The Many CIA Secret Wars Against Third World Countries...

[media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z9VxnCBD9W4[/media]
 

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