The Cow

[جوري]

I am aware of your disdain for any mortal creature, but i'm surprised to learn of your massive research into egyptology and personal research indepth into these weighty books. I bow to the long hours you spent in the libarys of Cairo. I truely have misjudged and you have my apologies.

In Hope of your links to the archeological proof of the Exodus, and non-scriptual explaination of the Cow.

I don't have disdain for any mortal creature! those are your own assumptions! aren't you the same fellow who on the adjacent thread was quoting me wiki with such smugness believing that somehow it would disprove the Quran? and I know that is exactly what you were after, and ended up proving exactly my point? which for some reason alludes you ( I wonder if it does still?).. although I see you reading the post now, perhaps we can get an Oh my God out of you...

I am simply meeting your mockery of religion, with mockery of how your own reason works.. the mere fact that you can't understand that having a lesser number of days in a week means I can end up with more weeks in a month, already tells me that most things work in your mind in a slightly askew manner...

Why do I have to justify anything to you religious or not?
If you had an ounce of courtesy and consideration when you write something to make it befitting of the magistrate of God, I might consider my responses...

I am a firm believer that everyone is here to teach me something, we are all to learn from one another.. perhaps your person here is here so I can get a grip on my impatience and temperament with people of your nature.. but I am a work in progress...
which leaves me to question, truly, what are you here for?

You want a non-biblical sense of events, well hasn't your own mind thought you a rational response?

 

[barney]

Skye. A few points.
If you are actually veiwing who is reading which post. Then seriously, you have too much time on your hands, even for a 6000+ poster.

Second: The wiki quote was ironic. Sure wiki is a great source, but its fallible. I refer to wiki as do you, regularly. is your referal more potent as a muslim? Truly it must be.

I would appreciate some mockery of my reasoning, but so far i havnt actually seen it. To mock me and it to take effect you would have to undermine something i have written. To undermine it is by effectively refuting, based on measurable fact. This happened to a certain extent once with the miracle of googlearth proving a geographic measurement by Mohammed. I would have accepted Allah apart from the evidence of geographical measurement availible by astrobales. (A fine Middle eastern invention)

So far, you havnt refuted a syllable.

 

[جوري]

Skye. A few points.
If you are actually veiwing who is reading which post. Then seriously, you have too much time on your hands, even for a 6000+ poster.

your points can always be taken apart, as they are indeed silly.. I clicked on who is on line in lieu of subscriptions it is right beneath it.. it is where I and most folk I assume go to see if there are replies to posts as I don't get alerts by email.. hope that is ok with you?

Second: The wiki quote was ironic. Sure wiki is a great source, but its fallible. I refer to wiki as do you, regularly. is your referal more potent as a muslim? Truly it must be.

I don't understand what that means.. I don't refer to wiki, I have maintained on various separate threads here that it is actually not a reliable source. the last time I posted the link on angels I have stated in the same breath, I know how much YOU LIKE WIKI as it caters to your wavelength. So it comes as no shock that you used it today.. I simply think you a google scholar --that is if you can actually understand what it is you are googling before you paste it with a pre-mature guffaw only to end up with your foot in your mouth and leave us to wonder really where the British education system failed you ?..

I would appreciate some mockery of my reasoning, but so far i havnt actually seen it. To mock me and it to take effect you would have to undermine something i have written. To undermine it is by effectively refuting, based on measurable fact. This happened to a certain extent once with the miracle of googlearth proving a geographic measurement by Mohammed. I would have accepted Allah apart from the evidence of geographical measurement availible by astrobales. (A fine Middle eastern invention)

Shouldn't you at least wait until your math mishap is erased from memory before you regain the confidence of a chief gorilla pounding its chest? if You can find a logical answer to everything, until the number of excuses you make and the absurdity of them having occurred in the way you theorize as very improbable. You don't even write on a level for your threads to merit a refutation--- He was out mountain climbing in high altitude and experienced hypoxia, he took poetry lessons, he was an excellent seafarer, he had a pocket astrolabe, he performed autopsies on pregnant cadavers, he was a mathematician, he was a politician, he was an herbalist, he was a cosmologist, he was an illusionist, he was bilingual and often visited Greek libraries, he was a skilled warrior, he was a historian he was a fortune teller ... and did it all because he enjoyed persecution, sleeping on palm leaves, and going to bed hungry?! You are hilarious..
Hey if that is what tickles your fancy, then so be it!

So far, you havnt refuted a syllable.

Iwill leave that for the discerning reader to judge!

cheers

 

[barney]

Its been a fair few posts since anything relevent to the Cow mooing was posted,and is merely a platform for uncouth members to ply arrogance. So I will take it there are just the three explainations, and the thread could be closed

 

[YusufNoor]

I dont think Gold was Brought out of Egypt actually skye.

The Egyptians never mentioned the Jews until well after the supposed exodus and then only as a foriegn tribe. There isnt a shred of archeology or a single document that links the hebrews as ever being in Egypt or the sianai desert in any number.

As for atheists wanting to see miracles every second on demand, well that would be nice. even benificent and omnipotent, but some things are a bit tricky and anyway, Im an Agnostic Deist, not Atheist, most of the time, so wishing that would be futile. Immediate gratification is totally out of the picture and indeed to think this is barking, not up the wrong tree, but up the wrong stalactite in the wrong dimension.

'sup Barn,

you might want to do a search for "the Real Mt Sinai."

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/mt__sinai_found.htm

they, of course can look a little goofy at first, but if you take the time, you will see [and i forget where, atm] that there IS evidence for the crossing of the Gulf of Aqaba, which puts the Hebrew in Saudi Arabia and NOT Sinai. which, btw, would account for the lack of evidence in the Sinai Peninsula.

have some fun with it and check out some of the different sites.




ps: and be nice to Purest, will ya!

 

[Tania]

something good should come out of this crappy awful thread..

Its not a crappy arwful thread. Barney discovered an important issue from a cow life: the moo. But this cow being made from gold obviously can't moo. In the Bible its not mooing but in Quran its mentioned the possibilty that cow to moo. Reading the diffrent english translation of Quran i think it might be a word hardly to translate. And don't forget the arab words have several meanings hardly to translate. Also, might belong to the old arabic, like latin, so he has a meaning there...which may be wasn't correctly translate. I will go and search in the romanian translation of Quran :-[

 

[barney]

Hai Yusuf!

Thanks for the link. Intersesting site. The "altar" looks to weigh about 400 tons which must have been quite a strain for 130 year old moses.
The water erosion looks like wind erosion. Still all looks like good fun.

 

[Keltoi]

This might not be relevant, but in the ancient world there were many cults that grew up out of supposed speaking, singing, screaming, etc idols. The men and women behind these cults manufactured ways to create sound so that it appeared to be coming from the idol. They were called "magicians" of course. I'm not saying that was the case in regards to the calf, but there were indeed ways to make a crowd believe an idol is speaking to them...much less make them believe they hear a "moo."

 

[Muhammad]

Greetings and ,

This is what it says in one of the commentaries on the Qur'an (Tafseer ibn Katheer):

Story of worshipping the Calf


Allah describes the misguidance of those who worshipped the calf that As-Samiri made for them from the ornaments they borrowed from the Copts. He made the shape of a calf with these ornaments and threw in it a handful of dust from the trace of the horse that the Angel Jibril was riding, and the calf seemed to moo. This occurred after Musa went for the appointed term with his Lord, where Allah told him about what happened when he was on Mount Tur. Allah said about His Honorable Self,


[قَالَ فَإِنَّا قَدْ فَتَنَّا قَوْمَكَ مِن بَعْدِكَ وَأَضَلَّهُمُ السَّامِرِىُّ ]

((Allah) said: "Verily, We have tried your people in your absence, and As-Samiri has led them astray'') [20:85]. The scholars of Tafsir have different views over the calf, whether it actually became alive and mooing, or if it remained made of gold, but the air entering it made it appear to be mooing. These are two opinions. Allah knows best. ...

http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=7&tid=18743


It's important to remember, when discussing verses of the Qur'an, that we need to study them with knowledge and refer to the scholars. Putting forward our own theories and limited understanding is not allowed.

May I also remind members to discuss topics in a civilised manner without needless arguments and insults. If you think someone is being offensive, please report the post to the moderators - do not take it upon yourself to offend them in return.


I think the thread can now be closed.