The Islamic veil across Europe

[wilberhum]

Just you guys wait

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We are not waiting. We are fighting it right now. :raging:
It is thing like this that helps Islamophobia.

 

[Uthman]

Sorry, I intended it as a joke

 

[wilberhum]

Sorry, I intended it as a joke

I know you did. eace: But, So were the cartoons. :-\

I was not offended, but it does play to the fear on many.

Peace

 

[Uthman]

Understood.

 

[Amadeus85]

Thank God I don't live in Europe, it's evident that the Ummah is having a tough time with acceptance. I honestly don't see how it effects anyone else if someone decides to wear a headscarf -- I doesn't hurt you! It's a conscious decision that someone who holds their religion dear to them makes. I understand that some countries want to have a seperation between Church and state, but is not allowing the Freedom of Religion really the way to go about it?

As far as i know for example in Egypt women in niqabs cant go to universties (or im wrong?), quite harsh rights against hijaabs are also in Tunisia and Marocco, not to mention Turkey. So its not only Europe.

 

[KAding]

Is your intention the same as the women who wear the covering? most likely not...the covering which obscures the face is neither a fashion statement nor an attempt to decieve..so you cant really compare it to soemone wearing a ski mask..

Who determines what a proper reason is to want to cover your face?

I really don't think anyone, least of all the government, should be in the business of rating beliefs and determining which are valid enough to grant rights to.

For the law, no one belief should necessarily be better than another belief IMHO. In other words, if someone for a completely wacky reason beliefs he has to wear a ski mask all day, well, then legally that opinion should be just as valid as your opinion that God tells you to wear a headscarf/niqab/burqa.

 

[Keltoi]

I wonder how long it will take before the issue of criminals taking advantage of full face coverings comes into play. Israel has already dealt with this problem before, but I wonder how Great Britain, the U.S., etc will deal with this looming problem?

 

[Pygoscelis]

Keltoi, that is exactly on point to what I said about ski masks.

It doesn't matter what the official line is as to why people cover their faces, and it doesn't matter what the traditional or majority reasons are for people covering their faces.

The simple fact of the matter is that by allowing them to cover their faces you are allowing them to shroud their identity. We have laws against people hiding their identity in certain security-sensitive places (Ie, the places I'm not allowed to wear a ski mask). Citing a religious dogma should NOT make for an exception.

For if it did, then those who wish to hide their identity for ANY reason, including dangerous ones, whether they be muslim women or not, could take advantage of the exception and wear the face obscuring garment.

Wherever I'm not allowed to wear a ski mask, you better not be allowed to wear a face covering. Period.

Veils that only cover the hair I have no issue with and agree that they are a lifestyle choice. And anywhere I am allowed to wear a baseball cap, and tuck my hair up into it, you should be allowed to wear that non-face obscuring veil.

 

[Pygoscelis]

You own Bible say what I quoted above - Do you have anything to say else, shouldn't you been doing what is said to you???

If you think that I of all people am a Christian, you've obviously made a rash and faulty assumption. I'm likely the most anti-christian poster here.

 

[Intisar]

As far as i know for example in Egypt women in niqabs cant go to universties (or im wrong?), quite harsh rights against hijaabs are also in Tunisia and Marocco, not to mention Turkey. So its not only Europe.

That's quite interesting, I never knew that. But anyway, the niqaab can be substituted with the hijaab so it doesn't seem like such a big problem. At least they didn't ban the entire headscarf there completely .