[Badrul]

As Salaamu'Aaikum all,

Al Kauthar Institute presents:

The Raid Of The Mongols
The History Of The Tartar Invasion
Taught by Sheikh Isam Rajab (as seen on Ramadan T.V 2010)
18th & 19th Dec 2010
Manchester


In the seventh century of Islamic history an event occurred that changed the world. Had this episode of history not been documented they say it would not have been believed! The Mongol army headed west into the Muslim lands and Baghdad and attacked the capital of the Abbasid Caliphate.

Among the many incidents that occurred during this time was the infamous sacking of Baghdad, which was left in a state of utter ruin.

The famous historian Ibn Al Athir said, “For some years I continued averse from mentioning this event, deeming it so horrible that I shrank from recording it and ever withdrawing one foot as I advanced the other. To whom, indeed, can it be easy to write the announcement of the death-blow of Islam and the Muslims, or who is he on whom the remembrance thereof can weigh lightly? O would that my mother had not born me or that I had died and become a forgotten thing before this befell! Yet, withal a number of my friends urged me to set it down in writing, and I hesitated long, but at last came to the conclusion that to omit this matter could serve no useful purpose.

The Invasion of the Tartars into the Muslim lands was an event that was noted for its ruthlessness and devastation. In this course we will look at what were the circumstances that surrounded this time in history and the lessons that can be learnt.

More details to follow in the coming weeks inshaAllah...

 

[Woodrow]

My ancestors do have a very brutal and savage past. One small correction we are Tatars not Tarters. Tarter is an English misspelling that seems to have persisted.

While the past of the Tatar is one of savage Barbarianism, we had a wonderful conclusion. As a result of our attempting to conquer the Islamic world, my ancestors accepted Islam and gave up their pagan and Barbarian ways. The Western world has much to thank Islam for. If it had not been for accepting Islam, my ancestors probably would have continued westward and the people living in Europe would be speaking Mongolian today.

After this thread comes to a conclusion I will add more about my ancestors the Lietuva Lipkas (Lithuanian Tatars)

 

[Abdul-Raouf]

Remember...there was a thread running in LI long ago...about Tartars...


Any link available to watch that TV online.... will the speech on Mongols..be scheduled on TV ???

 

[Badrul]

:wa:

JazakAllahu Khair for your concern and the correction in spelling. However I would like to reasure you and everyone the course primary objective isn't so much about the 'Mongals' or the 'Tatars' although the Sheikh will cover some sessions on these civilisations, rather the main objective of the course will be; the events leading up to the invasions, how the Muslims reacted to it, what happened in Baghdad, comparison of what happened then and our current state and also what lessons we can derive from this era etc.

We as an organisation try our upmost not to insult or ridicule any ethnicity regardless of their background or Faith. Our main objective is to Seek the Pleasure of Allah by seeking Sacred Knowledge and how to put that Knowledge into practice.

Hope this has clarified any misunderstanding.

Once again JazakAllahu Khair

 

[Badrul]

Salaam Akhi,

Im sorry akhi, but I don't remember that thread, however I look search for it inshaAllah

 

[Woodrow]

:wa:

JazakAllahu Khair for your concern and the correction in spelling. However I would like to reasure you and everyone the course primary objective isn't so much about the 'Mongals' or the 'Tatars' although the Sheikh will cover some sessions on these civilisations, rather the main objective of the course will be; the events leading up to the invasions, how the Muslims reacted to it, what happened in Baghdad, comparison of what happened then and our current state and also what lessons we can derive from this era etc.

We as an organisation try our upmost not to insult or ridicule any ethnicity regardless of their background or Faith. Our main objective is to Seek the Pleasure of Allah by seeking Sacred Knowledge and how to put that Knowledge into practice.

Hope this has clarified any misunderstanding.

Once again JazakAllahu Khair

JazakAllahu Khair

The spelling is understandable as that seems to have become very common. I believe the error began with the Chef that named a beef recipe as Beef Tartar.

I am looking forward to your posts, that was a very interesting era and it was a time that changed the world. And have no fear of offending, most of us of Tatar ancestry are aware of how savage our ancestors were before they accepted Islam.

 

[Badrul]

Thank you for understanding. I've learnt something new :statisfie

Can I ask, will you be in Manchester (U.K) on these dates 18th & 19th Dec 2010? Personally I think you will benefit from ths course, what do you think?

 

[Badrul]

As Salaamu'Aaikum all,

Al Kauthar Institute presents:

The Raid Of The Mongols
The History Of The Tartar Invasion
Taught by Sheikh Isam Rajab (as seen on Ramadan T.V 2010)
18th & 19th Dec 2010
Manchester


In the seventh century of Islamic history an event occurred that changed the world. Had this episode of history not been documented they say it would not have been believed! The Mongol army headed west into the Muslim lands and Baghdad and attacked the capital of the Abbasid Caliphate.

Among the many incidents that occurred during this time was the infamous sacking of Baghdad, which was left in a state of utter ruin.

The famous historian Ibn Al Athir said, “For some years I continued averse from mentioning this event, deeming it so horrible that I shrank from recording it and ever withdrawing one foot as I advanced the other. To whom, indeed, can it be easy to write the announcement of the death-blow of Islam and the Muslims, or who is he on whom the remembrance thereof can weigh lightly? O would that my mother had not born me or that I had died and become a forgotten thing before this befell! Yet, withal a number of my friends urged me to set it down in writing, and I hesitated long, but at last came to the conclusion that to omit this matter could serve no useful purpose.

The Invasion of the Tartars into the Muslim lands was an event that was noted for its ruthlessness and devastation. In this course we will look at what were the circumstances that surrounded this time in history and the lessons that can be learnt.

More details to follow in the coming weeks inshaAllah...

FREEPHONE 0800 014 8286ext 0
Email manchester at alkauthar dot org

 

[Woodrow]

Thank you for understanding. I've learnt something new :statisfie

Can I ask, will you be in Manchester (U.K) on these dates 18th & 19th Dec 2010? Personally I think you will benefit from ths course, what do you think?

Sadly it is quite a distance from Zeeland, North Dakota to the UK and we are now in our blizzard season. Most likely by Dec 1, we will so snowed in we will be unable to even leave the house.

I sincerely do wish I could attend and if I saw it as a real possibility I would say yes without hesitation.

 

[S.Belle]

The Western world has much to thank Islam for. If it had not been for accepting Islam, my ancestors probably would have continued westward and the people living in Europe would be speaking Mongolian today.

Agreed I watched a PBS documentary about Ghenghis Khan and all his invasions and I must say that the Mongols were pretty darn feirce it could have easily happened.
Wow so you could be one of the 1 in 200 men ( in the documentary it said 1 in every 200 men can trace their ancestry back to Ghenghis Khan).

 

[Badrul]

Agreed I watched a PBS documentary about Ghenghis Khan and all his invasions and I must say that the Mongols were pretty darn feirce it could have easily happened.
Wow so you could be one of the 1 in 200 men ( in the documentary it said 1 in every 200 men can trace their ancestry back to Ghenghis Khan).

PBS? When & which country was this on? Also what was the title? Sounds like a good programme!

 

[Woodrow]

PBS? When & which country was this on? Also what was the title? Sounds like a good programme!

:wa:

PBS= Public Broadcasting System, a free educational network here in the USA. I can't get it where I live, but it is available nearly every place else in the USA

 

[S.Belle]

PBS? When & which country was this on? Also what was the title? Sounds like a good programme!

Woodrow answerd better than I could have

PBS= Public Broadcasting System, a free educational network here in the USA. I can't get it where I live, but it is available nearly every place else in the USA

and it was called Ghenghis Khan
I tried to find it on youtube but failed
I have not watched this one but it should be interesting as well
[video=google;-6325494573730581068]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6325494573730581068&hl=en#[/video]

 

['Abd Al-Maajid]

Genghiz Khan was a Muslim? Wikipedia says, his full name as 'Ahmed Lindov'. :hmm: However I heard somewhere that there is no evidence that Ögedei Khan, his successor, was his own son because his wife was kidnapped by a rival tribe. :? can anyone explain this to me?

 

[Woodrow]

Genghiz Khan was a Muslim? Wikipedia says, his full name as 'Ahmed Lindov'. :hmm: However I heard somewhere that there is no evidence that Ögedei Khan, his successor, was his own son because his wife was kidnapped by a rival tribe. :? can anyone explain this to me?

I have never seen any evidence Genghis Khan was a Muslim.

Religion

Genghis Khan's religion is widely speculated to be Shamanism or Tengriism, which was very likely among nomadic Mongol-Turkic tribes of Central Asia. But he was very tolerant religiously, and interested to learn philosophical and moral lessons from other religions. To do so, he consulted Buddhist monks, Christian missionaries, Muslim merchants, and the Taoist monk Qiu Chuji.

SOURCE



The Mongols did not accept Islam until after they invaded the Islamic nations. My ancestors that came into Lithuania were Muslim this was long after the invasion of the Islamic world and they did not come to Lithuania as invaders, they came invited to help protect the land against the Christian invaders during the crusades of the North. this was long after Genghis Khan had died.

 

[Badrul]

For me this is a era which I really don't know much about. More the reason to look into things to get a better understanding...

 

[Woodrow]

For me this is a era which I really don't know much about. More the reason to look into things to get a better understanding...

Genghis Khan died in 1227 The raid on Baghdad took place in 1258 The Mongols accepted Islam some time after then. So it is very improbable Genghis Khan ever accepted Islam, But his son could have. Berke the Grandson of Genghis Khan is considered to be the first Mongol ruler to accept Islam.

The Tatars come from the Golden Horde (Mongols) and the White Horde (Turks, Macedonians and Arab) Most of my ancestors the Lithuanian Tatars (Lietuva Lipkas) are from both hordes. The Tatars came to Lithuania in the early 1300s and were Muslim. However in the 1400s the Christians finally over ran Lithuania and by the 1800s nearly all the Lipkas were exiled, killed or forced to accept Christianity. Many, such as myself, have now reverted to Islam often without knowing the Lipkas were originally Muslim before being forced into Christianity.

 

[Maryan0]

“It is not sufficient that I suceed - all others must fail.”
“I am the punishment of God...If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.”
“The greatest happiness is to scatter your enemy, to drive him before you, to see his cities reduced to ashes, to see those who love him shrouded in tears, and to gather into your bosom his wives and daughters.”
Genghis Khan quotes
:skeleton: Scary man.
Salam

 

[Badrul]

“It is not sufficient that I suceed - all others must fail.”
“I am the punishment of God...If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.”
“The greatest happiness is to scatter your enemy, to drive him before you, to see his cities reduced to ashes, to see those who love him shrouded in tears, and to gather into your bosom his wives and daughters.”
Genghis Khan quotes
:skeleton: Scary man.
Salam

:hiding: Man I'm glad he's not around nowadays!

 

[Maryan0]

:hiding: Man I'm glad he's not around nowadays!

So am I.hew
The only reason I know of this portion of history is because of the cartoon movies made for muslim kids the lion of An Jalut which is about Sultan Qutuz, Baybars, Kublai Khan etc. You could probably look up those movies.
Salam