The Trinity!

[Phil12123]

Originally Posted by Phil12123
Why does Jesus speak of God? Why not? His reference to God is to His Father, not Himself.

Does the Bible not believe in a formless God? Yes, the Bible says God is Spirit and they that worship Him must worship in spirit and in truth (John 4:24). Does that mean YOU have to be a spirit and not have a body? No.

It also says, God is invisible (Col. 1:15). But that same verse also says that Jesus is the image of the invisible God. Why? Because though we cannot see something invisible, we can see an image (=something that is seen) of the invisible. So Jesus said, "He that has SEEN ME has SEEN the Father" (John 14:9).

There is nothing contradictory about it. If the Father and Son are of the same essence, substance, or nature (Deity), and the Son takes on a body so He can die for our sins, the Son can refer to the Father as God and can be the image of the Father and there is no contradiction. Why are you having such a hard time with that?

I'm sorry but this isn't possible, The Bible is straight forward but Christians have disected it to get an interpretaion that contradicts what Jesus has preached. and what the main religions (apart from Hinduism as they believe in many Gods) God is formless and isn't born, so can't die which makes him imortal.

You claim God is a man! It's not possible!

Are you telling GOD what He can or cannot do? That would make YOU God, if He has to do what YOU think is okay or "possible."

What about it "contradicts what Jesus has preached"???

See, this is what I meant when you asked for verses and I said why do you want verses? will you hear them? will you believe them? You reject whatever is said because in your finite brain it's "not possible".

Peace

 

[dougmusr]

"When all other means have failed, only then is it righteous to take up the sword."

I'd love to know the implications of the quote you attach to your posts. What is the goal to which you aspire and the conditions under which you would use a sword?

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

I'd love to know the implications of the quote you attach to your posts. What is the goal to which you aspire and the conditions under which you would use a sword?

Don't worry it's not for a crusade...

It's a verse quoted by the Sikh Guru - If you're not sure about Sikhism you shouldn't be afraid to educate yourself. :brother:

http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php?title=Kirpan

Hope this helps to give a better understanding!