The wealth of Paradise

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Barney, I found you lack of gratitude very alarming.

I'm not a big fan of green either, but there is nothing more beautiful then the sight of lovely green trees in the early afternoon sun!

For you to just sit there and snobbishly say things like that, really it makes me wonder at how lacking in gratitude you are.
 
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Barney you can't leave! Bro doorster would like you to stay too. Isn't that right bro doorster?
 
please stay brother barney you are one of LI`s precious family members may Allah lead your way to the path of the endless happiness Ameeeeen

and what in paradise is not like what in this mortal life my dear brother...everyone who will eneter paradise will finds what he loves wills wants likes and desire...

and I want you to know no matter how much scholars described paradise they will never even get close to it never coz it is unutterable and no one ever can imagine it....ever

may Allah guide you to the path of truth of paradise and fill ur heart with happiness and satisfaction to be the happiest ever Ameeeeeeeeen

stay brother stay...pleasee ^^

and by the way Islam for everyone and no one knows when to be guided by Allah the creator of all of us no one ...all praise be to Allah....
 
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Malaikah said:
Barney, I found you lack of gratitude very alarming.

I'm not a big fan of green either, but there is nothing more beautiful then the sight of lovely green trees in the early afternoon sun!

For you to just sit there and snobbishly say things like that, really it makes me wonder at how lacking in gratitude you are.
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He can have purple paradise :D
 
Greetings and peace be with you barney,

Hopefully you will come back a third time, you can't leave us for good, I miss you already.

Take care of yourself.

Eric
 
barney said:
Just listening to a podcast of a sermon about the last guy out of hell.
Interesting stuff, but , as usual , it gets my old atheistic cells a churning.

Mentioned in both Torah, Gosple and Quran are the riches of paradise. We have gold and gems and green silk.

What use are thee things in paradise? Does it have an economy? Isnt Gold just another metal? If there are paths made out of it, dosnt that become a bit mundane. I would love to have a castle made out of platinum here on earth, and bathe in wine etc, but In Paradise?
Evryone would have golden paths , so its not really the same effect. After 250 quintrillion years, it's still a yellow metal path as common as soil is here.

Is all this silk and wealth and milk and honey metaphorical? Representing pleasure?
I Hate milk, I certainly wouldnt like a river of it. Honey makes me nauseus.

Isnt al that splendour going to simply be the mundane and the appearance of something ordinary be the real treasure?
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Though you might hate Milk or Honey may make you nauseus, that wouldn't be the case in Paradise. In paradise we are told there are things no eye has ever seen, nor any ears has ever heard before. It cannot be imagined.

Though i don't really know you at all, I do not believe you should leave. Clearly, people here like you and you are wanted.
 
Duncan Ferguson said:
Heaven would be the place where you cease to learn. That doesn't sound too heavenly to me. What would you discuss?
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The Christian and Jewish concepts of Heaven aren't nearly as discriptive as that of the Qu'ran. Primarily it is described as a place without pain, suffering, or sorrow.

I'm sure a Muslim member can address this particular aspect, but in the Christian sense the question is rather premature. We do not claim to understand what truly awaits us in Heaven, besides what is described in Scripture, which is vague other than the lack of earthly concerns.
 
Keltoi said:
The Christian and Jewish concepts of Heaven aren't nearly as discriptive as that of the Qu'ran. Primarily it is described as a place without pain, suffering, or sorrow.

I'm sure a Muslim member can address this particular aspect, but in the Christian sense the question is rather premature. We do not claim to understand what truly awaits us in Heaven, besides what is described in Scripture, which is vague other than the lack of earthly concerns.
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“The realities of the other world are beyond human cognition.“

“Paradise, Hell and all that which lies beyond death properly belong to the category of what is known as the Unseen“
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Sheikh Ahmad Kutty (a lecturer at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada) states:

“Paradise, Hell and all that which lies beyond death properly belong to the category of what is known as al-ghayb (the Unseen). Allah tells us in the Qur’an that the true believers are those “who believe in the unseen…” and “those who have firm faith in the next world.” (see Qur’an, Surat Al-Baqarah: 1-5). Accordingly, we believe in the existence of a world that is not immediately visible to us because it has been veiled from us. The realities of this world transcend the confines of the material world surrounding us. Although they have been kept hidden from us in this present state of our existence, we will certainly be exposed to them at a later stage in our life, i.e., after death.

The realities of the other world are beyond human cognition. To state differently, we cannot access or know anything about them through the ordinary means of perception or sources of knowledge that we have at our disposal such as reason, experience, empirical study, observation and analysis. Although such tools and methods are truly beneficial for gaining knowledge of the mundane world, they are simply useless or worthless as far the realities of other world are concerned. People make serious mistakes when they use such tools or methods to speculate on such realities. Their behavior is not at all different from that of an imbecile who is trying to weigh a mountain with a scale intended for gold.

Since we cannot use the above methods for knowing the realties that properly belong to the realm of ghayb, the only safe method of gaining any knowledge about it is through the divine revelation alone. The Qur’an, by all accounts, is the most authentic of such revelations, and therefore the most trusted source of knowledge that we possess in our hands. Next comes the Sunnah or the authentic traditions transmitted from the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), which further elaborate on the words of the Qur’an.

The Qur’an and Hadith provide sufficient details about the nature of Heaven and Hell, but while reading those details, we must always be cautioned against the tendency of making excessive comparisons between the things of the two worlds, those of the mundane and those of the Hereafter. Such descriptions of the other world in the sources must be properly understood as referring to the experiences of a realm that is not accessible to us and which is incomparable in its essence; for the tools and languages of the mundane world are utterly limited in scope and therefore inadequate to describe the indescribable. This is why Ibn `Abbas, the inspired commentator of the Qur’an is reported to have said about Jannah (Paradise), “There is nothing in the other world of the things of this world except names!”

It is in this spirit we must speak of the realities of the experiences of Paradise.

When we look in the Qur’an and the Sunnah, we can conclude the following about the experiences of Paradise:

Paradise is where all our wishes and dreams are materialized; Allah says: “They will have (in Paradise) all that their souls could desire, all the eyes could delight in. And you remain perpetually therein.” (Az-Zukhruf: 71)

“No soul knows what is kept hidden for them of delights of the eyes, as a reward for what they used to do.” (As-Sajda: 17)

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) elaborated on this saying:

“In it (i.e. Paradise) is such bliss the like of which no eyes have ever seen, no ears have heard about, and no mind has ever conceived.”

In light of the above, we can safely conclude that those who say that Paradise is only spiritual or intellectual in its nature are guilty of committing an act of ultimate arrogance, as they are pretending to know better than the Creator Himself. Therefore, instead of committing such blatant errors, we prefer to be humble before the revelation and refuse to speculate about the mysteries of the other world with our reason.

Let us conclude: The experience of Paradise as described in the Qur’an and the Sunnah involves the total human person, including his physical, intellectual and spiritual faculties. For Paradise is where all possibilities are materialized in an infinitely perfect and impeccable manner. While the pleasures of this world are rather tainted by imperfection and are ever vanishing, the pleasures of Paradise are eternal; whereas the pleasure of this world are always followed or preceded by pain and suffering, pleasures of Paradise are pure, indescribable bliss. We pray to Allah to make us all worthy of entering this supreme and abiding state of bliss after we have left behind us the toils and trials of this fleeting and transient world. Ameen.”
 
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barney said:
Just listening to a podcast of a sermon about the last guy out of hell.
Interesting stuff, but , as usual , it gets my old atheistic cells a churning.

Mentioned in both Torah, Gosple and Quran are the riches of paradise. We have gold and gems and green silk.

What use are thee things in paradise? Does it have an economy? Isnt Gold just another metal? If there are paths made out of it, dosnt that become a bit mundane. I would love to have a castle made out of platinum here on earth, and bathe in wine etc, but In Paradise?
Evryone would have golden paths , so its not really the same effect. After 250 quintrillion years, it's still a yellow metal path as common as soil is here.

Is all this silk and wealth and milk and honey metaphorical? Representing pleasure?
I Hate milk, I certainly wouldnt like a river of it. Honey makes me nauseus.

Isnt al that splendour going to simply be the mundane and the appearance of something ordinary be the real treasure?
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What is more ordinary, waht you have been exposed to for 1000 years or what you saw in your 80 years on earth?


Anyways, you get what you want. THese thigns are probably mentioned to show that for all the arguments we have over gems and all the avarice we show, everything, even gems and such are granted to us in paradise.

You want a river of coke one day and one of regular water the other day? you got it.

You know why? Because you deserved it if you got into heaven.
 
I did go through the what's paradise'/hell really like, didn't get much out of it though it was an interesting topic to discuss.

and what's with the romantic disabling of accounts:), do come back both of you, it so gets lifeless at times, LI that is. I'm not asking for selfish reason only too, I at least learned much from here, I'd say it's the same for everyone else.
 
alcurad said:
I did go through the what's paradise'/hell really like, didn't get much out of it though it was an interesting topic to discuss.

and what's with the romantic disabling of accounts:), do come back both of you, it so gets lifeless at times, LI that is. I'm not asking for selfish reason only too, I at least learned much from here, I'd say it's the same for everyone else.
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LOL. So true. Romantic... lololol.
 

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