things I like about Islam

[ATHEISTofPEACE]

I think of the three monotheism I like Islam the best. Here are some of the reasons why. Please not this is not about all religions just the three.

Mankind's decent from Eden is not just Eves/womans fault.

Original Sin does not exist. This is appealing. Humans are not born with sin
disgust me. Also the Christians contradict them selves. We have original sin because of Adam and Eve but most Christians think this story did not really happen. Well a large amount of them anyways and Jesus died to free us from our imaginary created original sin. Makes no sense. Ohh and if the creator is perfect and he created us we should be perfect. Original sin is a creator not being perfect. So Islam avoids these contradictions.

Jesus. He is God. He is Gods avatar. He is Gods Son. He is Gods sons avatar? Come on.

The Trinity-It makes less sense then one good or many gods.

Mohamed(PBUH) There is no doubt that he existed. We know for a fact that he did.

Devil- is not an angel rebelling against God, for God giving man free will. How does one rebel against God with out free will/

devil/hell- if the devil is a fallen angel against God why does he do gods work and run hell? why would he make hell bad? Really just silly.


Muslims at least try to make scientific arguments.


peace
mick

 

[Woodrow]

I believe that as you learn more you will find more things that make Islam the logical choice for a theist. Our emphasis on personal responsibility for our actions is one thing that has always impressed me, even in my non-Muslim days. we do not expect a scapegoat to take the blunt of the punishment for our own Faux pas. we do the crime, we pay the time. we don't don't look for somebody to come bail us out.

 

[ATHEISTofPEACE]

I would not say it is the most logical or appealining religion bu,t it is for the three monotheisms.

 

[Woodrow]

I would not say it is the most logical or appealining religion but it is for the thre monotheisms.

I might be a touch biased. I love everything about Islam. Although if I had not found monotheism to be true, I would have been very attracted to the Native Religion of the Cherokee.

 

[ATHEISTofPEACE]

I might be a touch biased. I love everything about Islam. Although if I had not found monotheism to be true, I would have been very attracted to the Native Religion of the Cherokee.

For me i would be a Daoist Shaman before anything else. Comparing Islam to non monotheism religious should be a different thread.
I was hoping other non Muslims could join me in saying what we like about Islam and Muslims and the Muslim members could comment off of that.

What do ya think?

Anyways every week Campus Crusaders for Christ meet up. I am almost there offical atheist member. I was thinking I could go one time and argue that Islam is more right then Christianity. It would be easyer then saying you are just wrong lol. What do you guys think?

 

[جوري]

^^ I say you are probably setting yourself up to be crucified.. honestly I can't remember how many times I was cornered by Christians during my undergrad, then they become relentless in their pursuits... It isn't worth your time if (religion) is a mere hobby for you, I wouldn't turn it into a major...

 

[ATHEISTofPEACE]

^^ I say you are probably setting yourself up to be crucified.. honestly I can't remember how many times I was cornered by Christians during my undergrad, then they become relentless in their pursuits... It isn't worth your time if (religion) is a mere hobby for you, I wouldn't turn it into a major...

My Bold. Why not? Its funny you say that. I think about it all the time. I would love to be a theology major and so many students and teachers think I would excel there. Why do you think I should not?


My Red hahaha. That was perfect. These are the ultra liberal Christians. Last time I had to deal with being told how cute I was. (maybe thats why I want to go back) For real. I am not worried about being swarmed or over whelmed. I mean come on they know I post and mod an Islamic forum. Some even know I just joined here. (The following is a joke) I mean they know I can debate with the big, bad, and scary Fundy extremist Muslims. They gotta be afraid of me right? (Joke) Not something I am worried about.

My Blue Religion is more then a hobby to me. It is the subject I am most passionately interested in. It is more then a mere hobby. It is the hobby.

 

[Woodrow]

My Bold. Why not? Its funny you say that. I think about it all the time. I would love to be a theology major and so many students and teachers think I would excel there. Why do you think I should not?


My Red hahaha. That was perfect. These are the ultra liberal Christians. Last time I had to deal with being told how cute I was. (maybe thats why I want to go back) For real. I am not worried about being swarmed or over whelmed. I mean come on they know I post and mod an Islamic forum. Some even know I just joined here. (The following is a joke) I mean they know I can debate with the big, bad, and scary Fundy extremist Muslims. They gotta be afraid of me right? (Joke) Not something I am worried about.

My Blue Religion is more then a hobby to me. It is the subject I am most passionately interested in. It is more then a mere hobby. It is the hobby.

I do not question your ability to debate. I have seen some of your debates on other forums and agree you have well honed skills. but, perhaps it would be best of taking a position you truly believe in and debate from that approach. I think that would be more constructive to yourself on a personal level.

 

[ATHEISTofPEACE]

I do not question your ability to debate. I have seen some of your debates on other forums and agree you have well honed skills. but, perhaps it would be best of taking a position you truly believe in and debate from that approach. I think that would be more constructive to yourself on a personal level.

Ahh but it is always fun to play devils advocate, erh, Gods advocate. It would be a good way to learn, teach them about Muslims and Islam, and besides I really can't win a debate from atheism.

Well you have seen the invoke the FSM arguments right? They alwasy fail to show theist this is what you sound like to me. If I were to say Islam is more true then Christianity they could not just scuff it off because Islam is real. Also I do think it is more logicaly. This does not mean I think Islam is logical just that Christianity is that much more absurd in its claims. So I would be arguing something I agree with. And they get to learn. Sounds like you really think it is a bad idea then?

Well how should I go to the next meeting ? What do you all think?

@Woodrow Can you split this thread from where we start talking about CCC. But make a copy of the first post I mention CCC and leave one in hear and make a new thread from that post and on call Campus Crusaders For Christ. Wait do you think we are really derailed?

 

[Woodrow]

Ahh but it is always fun to play devils advocate, erh, Gods advocate. It would be a good way to learn, teach them about Muslims and Islam, and besides I really can't win a debate from atheism.

Well you have seen the invoke the FSM arguments right? They alwasy fail to show theist this is what you sound like to me. If I were to say Islam is more true then Christianity they could not just scuff it off because Islam is real. Also I do think it is more logicaly. This does not mean I think Islam is logical just that Christianity is that much more absurd in its claims. So I would be arguing something I agree with. And they get to learn. Sounds like you really think it is a bad idea then?

Well how should I go to the next meeting ? What do you all think?

@Woodrow Can you split this thread from where we start talking about CCC. But make a copy of the first post I mention CCC and leave one in hear and make a new thread from that post and on call Campus Crusaders For Christ. Wait do you think we are really derailed?

No we are not derailed. Just an extension to show why you like Islam. You do have a good point in saying it makes more sense than Christianity and perhaps you do know enough to present a view as to how it makes more sense. Possibly limit the debate to one particular facet, rather then debating all aspects.

I think you have a fair grasp on how we do not have the trinitarian views of most Christian denomination. Perhaps a debate on the trinity from an Islamic view versus the Christian view.

Now to keep this on the original topic, do you feel that the Islamic totally monotheistic view of God(swt) makes more sense then the Trinitarian belief?

 

[ATHEISTofPEACE]

Now to keep this on the original topic, do you feel that the Islamic totally monotheistic view of God(swt) makes more sense then the Trinitarian belief?

Yes. But Polytheism and monotheism are at the moment equal. I also find the Hindu version of many gods=God better then the Trinity. In Hinduism its like polytheism thats really monotheism In Christianity its like monotheism that is really polytheism. Allah is more logical then the trinity.

Not this only because I am speaking comparitivly.

 

[coddles76]

Anyways every week Campus Crusaders for Christ meet up. I am almost there offical atheist member. I was thinking I could go one time and argue that Islam is more right then Christianity. It would be easyer then saying you are just wrong lol. What do you guys think?

How's about you become muslim first and then try to spread the word. I think that is a better proposition.

 

[coddles76]

Islam is appealing to me due to the fact it makes the most sense and has more than enough evidence to support its ideology. I for one will not and never grasp the logic of the trinity and really don't understand how others could. There more people try to make me understand there illogical it sounds so I guess its best for the christian not to try to explain it as it only makes the concept sound more silly. They should just concentrate on other aspects of christianity instead of trying to promote the father, son and the holy spirit are 1 in 3 and 3 in 1, they are not 3 but 1. Just typing it then got my head spinning

 

[ATHEISTofPEACE]

How's about you become muslim first and then try to spread the word. I think that is a better proposition.

See, you missed my point. *looks for the best wording*

 

[ATHEISTofPEACE]

There more people try to make me understand there illogical it sounds so I guess its best for the christian not to try to explain it as it only makes the concept sound more silly.

Wow. Can I use that? That works for so much for me as an atheist. Note that it includes things about Islam.

 

[coddles76]

Wow. Can I use that? That works for so much for me as an atheist. Note that it includes things about Islam.

Yes you can use it as much as you like but I don't think you'll have much success in quoting it against islam because you'll find that islam has a LOGICAL answer for everything.

 

[coddles76]

See, you missed my point. *looks for the best wording*

No I didn't miss the point, it was just my attempt and hoping that maybe you could join the Ummah of Islam and spread the word while being a muslim instead of an atheist

 

[ATHEISTofPEACE]

Yes you can use it as much as you like but I don't think you'll have much success in quoting it against islam because you'll find that islam has a LOGICAL answer for everything.

Yes they you all seem to do. I just disagree with most of it. There is one thing in Islam I find completly illogical, and that is that Allah needs no cause. That and if Allah needs no cause then why can the univers not have alwasy existed.

 

[north_malaysian]

i wonder why ther are no CCC peeps here... invite them

 

[coddles76]

Yes they you all seem to do. I just disagree with most of it. There is one thing in Islam I find completly illogical, and that is that Allah needs no cause. That and if Allah needs no cause then why can the univers not have alwasy existed.

Allah SWT is the creator. He would not need to be known as the creator without creation just like a painter is not a painter without paintings. Allah is the creator and always creates and we are one of those creations.