This forum needs to change

[anatolian]

Salaam and peace to all

This forum is getting more restrictive each day and needs a mental change to better itself. Mods delete the posts and close the threads very easily considering them violating the forum rules but in most cases they do not and the deletion is a personal subjective decision most of the time. If this mentality does not change it seems to me the forum will be a desolate “muslim club”. There needs to be more nonmuslim members for more beneficial discussions. Every discussion with a nonmuslim is a chance of dawah.

A sincere warning to the forum staff..

 

[xboxisdead]

Re: This forum needs a change

Salaam and peace to all

This forum is getting more restrictive each day and needs a mental change to better itself. Mods delete the posts and close the threads very easily considering them violating the forum rules but in most cases they do not and the deletion is a personal subjective decision most of the time. If this mentality does not change it seems to me the forum will be a desolate “muslim club”. There needs to be more nonmuslim members for more beneficial discussions. Every discussion with a nonmuslim is a chance of dawah.

A sincere warning to the forum staff..

Agreed. Otherwise, it will be like the ummah.com/forum. That place makes Hitler look easy.

 

[AabiruSabeel]

Re: This forum needs a change

Salaam and peace to all

This forum is getting more restrictive each day and needs a mental change to better itself. Mods delete the posts and close the threads very easily considering them violating the forum rules but in most cases they do not and the deletion is a personal subjective decision most of the time. If this mentality does not change it seems to me the forum will be a desolate “muslim club”. There needs to be more nonmuslim members for more beneficial discussions. Every discussion with a nonmuslim is a chance of dawah.

A sincere warning to the forum staff..

:wasalam:

Is this related to any particular thread? Because I don't see that many deleted or closed threads in last several months.

 

[anatolian]

Re: This forum needs a change

:wasalam:

Is this related to any particular thread? Because I don't see that many deleted or closed threads in last several months.

Its a general complaint but it ofcourse is based on particular cases. I dont want to go details. Many people, muslims and nonmuslims, frequently report deleting posts and closing threads.

“Many” is a subjective word bro. I just added a poll to see the reactions.

 

[Abz2000]

islamicboard's main stated objective is the promotion of Islam and i believe it is a lot less restrictive than most other forums out there whilst at the same time keeping its identity as an islamic platform.

I have been on other forums and have browsed through many christian and jewish forums and have found ib to be tolerant and not sickeningly abusive in comparison to the others - where any outrageously false and slanderous attack is gloatingly cheered on.

mods on ib tolerate all sorts of weird questions and discussions most likely for the sake of promoting discussion and understanding - however when they notice any misleading trolling they wade in.
I recall asking them if it would be wise downgrade any suspicious threads with ridiculous questions off the recent threads column but they clearly stated that it's best to allow it if there's nothing obviously wrong - so i think they are doing their best to make ib a diverse forum which keeps its islamic backbone.

google, youtube, and other independent news sites are not jewish forums just because certain jews have bought up most of the stock through their connections in the banking systems which hold goy money, they should be honest about their allegiances and aims and not be hypocritical in their choices. There are jewish forums for the promotion of jewish values and that should be clear.

Go on a short tour of the diverse forums on the internet and your sight will come back to you dull and discomfited.
say something good about Islam and you'll probably come back feeling like Abu Dharr al-Ghifari when he got hit with clods at makkah.

Research hasbara

 

[Grandad]

islamicboard's main stated objective is the promotion of Islam and i believe it is a lot less restrictive than most other forums out there whilst at the same time keeping its identity as an islamic platform.

I have been on other forums and have browsed through many christian and jewish forums and have found ib to be tolerant and not sickeningly abusive in comparison to the others - where any outrageously false and slanderous attack is gloatingly cheered on.

mods tolerate all sorts of weird questions and discussions most likely for the sake of promoting discussion and understanding - however when they notice any misleading trolling they wade in.
I recall asking them if it would be wise downgrade any suspicious threads with ridiculous questions off the recent threads column but they clearly stated that it's best to allow it if there's nothing obviously wrong - so i think they are doing their best to make ib a diverse forum which keeps its islamic backbone.

google, youtube, and other independent news sites are not jewish forums just because certain jews have bought up most of the stock through their connections in the banking systems which hold goy money, they should be honest about their allegiances and aims and not be hypocritical in their choices. There are jewish forums for the promotion of jewish values and that should be clear.

Go on a short tour of the diverse forums on the internet and your sight will come back to you dull and discomfited.
say something good about Islam and you'll probably come back feeling like Abu Dharr al-Ghifari when he got hit with clods at makkah.

Research hasbara

Agreed!

 

[Scimitar]

I do think the moderating can be a little smarter,

Deleting the entire post is a very lazy way to moderate, especially considering how there aren't:

:wasalam:

...that many deleted or closed threads in last several months.

based on that, the moderators have no excuse to be lazy and just delete entire posts.

Just deleting the parts of a post which are breaking the rules shouldn't be a problem.

 

[AabiruSabeel]

Re: This forum needs a change

Its a general complaint but it ofcourse is based on particular cases. I dont want to go details. Many people, muslims and nonmuslims, frequently report deleting posts and closing threads.

“Many” is a subjective word bro. I just added a poll to see the reactions.

Some people complain even if a single post is deleted. We do not usually delete threads and posts unless there is a strong reason to do so. If you compare today's moderation to what it was like a few years ago, you would say we have almost given up moderation.

For example, fschmidt had only 1 thread deleted during the last 6 years! He had no other post deleted.

Raymann had 2 threads closed and 2 posts deleted since he joined. Is it too many? Considering the nature of his posts, regurgitating false claims against Islam and Muslims, he shouldn't have been here for so long. We just keep giving them the benefit of doubt, in case they are genuinely seeking answers.

nosmarter, who pompously announced his departure from the forum, had only 2 posts deleted in total. No other thread was closed or deleted. One of those posts was just a random banter which is quoted below, and other was a direct attack on Islamic rulings.

"Random Thoughts by Abz2000"
Volume 1: Usurers
Volume 2: Usurers
Volume 3: Complete Compendium of False Flag attacks
Volume 4: Usurers

Anyway, think about it ..

I'm kidding around, keep 'em coming!

Not very long ago, some of our members posted the following in another thread:

This forum is getting frankly disgusting now.

People come here either straight up Atheists or Agnostics or even guise themselves as Muslims and insult our Holy Quran, insult Allah SWT and Rasool SAW.

The mods [...] allow people to insinuate insults upon our Islam directly and indirectly.

Disgusting !!!!!

There is defo a lot more weirdos & trolls than before when i was last here

I mean ofcourse if some of them want to have discussions or even have questions fair enough thats fine, but when theyre just here to stir up trouble and openly insult they need be given out open warnings so others see it or just straight blockings from the site altogether

My point here is :

a) We have basically set up a podium for people to insult us and then responders take a "politically correct" approach. I have noticed that when a Muslim defends the issue, we have other Muslim Apologists coming in and slaying the defender for their "tone" not realising that the end effect is they themselves now have become progressive in promoting the very insult against Islam ....I can more than guarantee you that the Non Muslim OP sits back and has a jolly good laugh at us.

b) Not many people realise that the insults are usually hidden behind a sympathetic story. People get misdirected into sympathy giving rather than realising the hidden insult.

c) This part is directed towards the Mods and posters. There seems to be imbalance approach to "Reversion Vs Preservation" . We all welcome new Muslims and all Muslims know that feeling when we hear that someone has reverted to the Deen. However, Our first basic responsibility is to Preserve the Deen.
Whats the point of bringing one new Muslim into Islam at the cost of derailing ten others and loosing the preservation aspect.

When we allow certain posts to snowball, many Muslims reading that post can be derailed hence the preservation aspect weakens.

If we don't preserve the Deen in time to come there will be nothing to attain reversion anyway. So allowing certain posts without stumping them down immediately is in actual fact a tool leading to more destruction of current Muslims....while we living a pseudo hope that this one person will revert by entertaining the insults.

Something to think about.

Whether here or elsewhere, I am SICK of munafiqun. If they will not listen to reason, we should not hug them and be warm and fuzzy with them. They should be banned.

We need to stop tolerating munafiqun. People who want to subvert Islam should not be tolerated. They should be banned. And if that doesn't happen, they should at least be attacked.

If people want to openly identify with other religions, let them. But munafiqun should not be tolerated. Just as that which has been rendered impure should be cleansed of filth- this forum should be cleansed of munafiqun. They should be banned.

[...]

This forum should be for Muslims and not for hypocrites. The hypocrites have the whole rest of the internet to go to. In the case of limp-wristed liberals who think they're entitled to rewrite our religion according to their dictates- I believe Quora or Facebook might suit them.

[...]
I believe we should just ban munafiqun and let them migrate to another part of the internet. Possibly Quora. Or Reddit. Maybe an Oprah Winfrey-based forum for New Age types who are deeply into their feelings.

If the people with the ability to do so are not willing to ban them then, they should at least be attacked and made to know that they are not welcome.

I cannot stand munafiqun and I want a Muslim forum. Furthermore, I think non-Muslims should be limited to a non-Muslim ghetto. But first I would like to request that we ban munafiqun.

 

[ardianto]

Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh. Greetings and peace, everyone.

I don't know how many times I feel disappointed by some non-Muslims who ever came to IB. I welcomed them warmly as new friend, but then they showed hostilities toward Islam and Muslims. Yes, I feel very disappointed on them.

But of course, not all non-Muslims are like them. There are also kind hearted non-Muslims who joined in IB, and have good attitude toward Islam, toward Muslims, and toward other people. I really appreciate their good attitude.

Unfortunately, there are Muslims in the forum who seem like cannot accept those non-Muslims presence here. They behave rude toward those non-Muslims with provocative posts, force those non-Muslims to accept Islam or leave the forum. This is not a good attitude toward people who have respect toward us.

Should IB be the Muslims only forum?. No. This forum must still welcoming non-Muslims who come with clean heart, who want to know further about Islam and Muslims.

And my request to admins and moderators. Don't be hesitate to delete anti-Islam posts, don't be hesitate to ban non-Muslims who obviously behave rude toward Islam and Muslims. .... But please, do not let Muslim members here bully non-Muslims who have respect toward Islam and do not see Muslims as enemy.

 

[Abz2000]

I actually found that one quite funny (although i know it was meant to lighten the importance of what was being said)

"Random Thoughts by Abz2000"
Volume 1: Usurers
Volume 2: Usurers
Volume 3: Complete Compendium of False Flag attacks
Volume 4: Usurers

Anyway, think about it ..

I'm kidding around, keep 'em coming!

[MENTION=21546]ardianto[/MENTION] - please state any genuine opinions with arguments which are islamically valid rather than attempt to patronise, it is demeaning.

 

[ardianto]

@ardianto - please state any genuine opinions with arguments which are islamically valid rather than attempt to patronise, it is demeaning.

I don't really understand what you mean. Can you explain with longer words?.

 

[Abz2000]

[MENTION=21546]ardianto[/MENTION] Allah :swt: knows best.

 

[Scimitar]

"I have the right to free speech"

"you have the right to remain silent, if you speak, we may use what you say against you in a court of law"

"I have the right to speak the truth"

"you have the right to speak your truth, but not our truth"

"I have the right to..."

"you have the right to..."

Stop demanding and defining your rights - and fulfill your obligations.

 

[Zafran]

Re: This forum needs a change

who pompously announced his departure from the forum, had only 2 posts deleted in total. No other thread was closed or deleted. One of those posts was just a random banter which is quoted below, and other was a direct attack on Islamic rulings.

That is the point though - hes meant to question Islamic rulings and your meant to answer back not shut him down - Another thing is that there are anti semitic threads here and they go on without being moderated - that should not be tolerated Islamically speaking.

I get the whole atheist and missionary stuff, they all seem to be parroting each other and it does get boring especially when you've seen it a million times but somebody still needs to engage with them.

 

[Abz2000]

Re: This forum needs a change

That is the point though - hes meant to question Islamic rulings and your meant to answer back not shut him down -

It's fulfilling to be able to answer questions of curious people and also to learn from different arguments as long as they are sincere, but it becomes a problem when it's an insincere liar who'll continually pull out fake arguments whilst knowing they are fake - simply to vandalise and waste time until you feel dizzy. (Ever watched angry birds?)

Another thing is that there are anti semitic threads here and they go on without being moderated - that should not be tolerated Islamically speaking.

I think you need to learn what a semite is - and also to learn to judge justly, it is fraudulent to falsely evoke "antisemitism" in order to cover one's racist crimes.

It's quite telling of the baselessness of an argument when one is falsely accused of anti-semitism for opposing the criminal zionist "state", whilst claiming that opposing a genuine Islamic state is "anti-terrorism".
Rather it is the duty of all people to speak the just truth in obedience to Allah :swt:

The exclusion in the term "antisemitism" of allusion and reference to discrimination against non-Jewish Semitic peoples is in iteslf racist.


How the Israel lobby fakes anti-Semitism

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/how-israel-lobby-fakes-anti-semitism

 

[سيف الله]

Salaam

Sometimes I get disappointed and its easy to criticise from a distance but I forget the difficulties and frustrations from a mods perspective. You have a lot of people to please and you have to maintain the Islamic character of the forum, its difficult getting the balance right.

I share AabiruSabeel attitude towards Nosmarter. A narcissist and a dawkins clone he had little interest in dialogue, more interested in trolling (concern trolling in this case). He thought that he was going have his 'fun' but realised he wasn't going to get his way, left. Good, there the kind of people we don't need, I rather dialogue with fschmidt, Silas, Eric H who whatever our differences at least you can have a conversation with. Though I do admit its quite novel to encounter an internet atheist trying to be 'polite' and 'civilised', must of been so painful for him to maintain that pretence.

We have to be careful with the whole business of 'antisemitism', even this term is problematic (why not call it racism?) and after witnessing whats happened to Corbyn (among many other instances) I'm done with this taboo. (I'm also not big on this whole Islamophobia either). Prejudice exists towards them but they are not unique in this regard, I think we have to get out of crazy ideas about them but we have to be able to freely discuss the issue. (Credit due to this forum for allowing it.)

Its a tricky situation there are no easy answers.

 

[fschmidt]

So I posted another thread which was deleted with this explanation:

"There's a diff of opinion as to whether ezra is a prophet. Deleted to be safe"

If the Sunni way to handle differences of opinion is to censor discussion of that opinion, then there is a real problem.

 

[AabiruSabeel]

So I posted another thread which was deleted with this explanation:

"There's a diff of opinion as to whether ezra is a prophet. Deleted to be safe"

If the Sunni way to handle differences of opinion is to censor discussion of that opinion, then there is a real problem.

There is more to it than simply censoring a difference of opinion. If Ezra is actually referring to a prophet, then your post backbites a prophet which is a grievous sin. We cannot allow such posts here. Even if Ezra refers to 'Uzair :as:, since he is mentioned in the Qur'an as a true believer, we cannot allow any sort of slander against him.

 

[eesa the kiwi]

So I posted another thread which was deleted with this explanation:

"There's a diff of opinion as to whether ezra is a prophet. Deleted to be safe"

If the Sunni way to handle differences of opinion is to censor discussion of that opinion, then there is a real problem.

If you think you will be able to speak Ill of the prophets alayhis Salam then you are sorely mistaken

 

[fschmidt]

There is more to it than simply censoring a difference of opinion. If Ezra is actually referring to a prophet, then your post backbites a prophet which is a grievous sin. We cannot allow such posts here. Even if Ezra refers to 'Uzair :as:, since he is mentioned in the Qur'an as a true believer, we cannot allow any sort of slander against him.

So what you are saying is that anyone who any Muslim considers to be a prophet is immune from criticism? I mean there isn't any evidence that Ezra is a prophet in the Quran or in Hadith. This is nothing but the opinion of some "scholars". So if I can convince some Muslim to call me a prophet, can I be immune from criticism too? If not, what is the difference?