Those who deny every AHadith might as well have an 'the non-believers' t-shirt

[IbnAbdulHakim]

life is just full of fitnah...

if a man can be in the company of our prophet sallallahi alaihi wasallaam, accept islam and then apostasize then we'd better be veeery careful... scariest thing is, many of us may think we're muslim but audhubillah only Allah knows what condition we are in even as i type..

 

[Eagle]

Peace;

Or maybe the hadith shows the disrespect the former people had when following their Prophets?

They showed disrespect or not.Is this Hadith showing respect?

There are concepts which make sense, maybe not at a certain time in history due to ones position in history. etc. i.e. many Prophecies & discoveries have only been realized once science has advanced, yet someone from a former time wouldn't ever understand the concept since they never had that science.

So to say that something can't be explained within one period in history doesn't mean that there isn't an answer to it in the future.


Therefore 2+2= 4 and remains that way.

Science is much inferior to Divine revelation.This is a human effort to discover Laws of nature.It might be wrong at one time or right on another time.But religions are Direct Divine revelation ,how can you put mystery in them ?If some religion is a "mystery",that is not divine.

So maybe you could show another way on how this 'disease' of scrotal hernia could be 'exposed' ?

When the Holy Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was blamed to be "Majoon" then how did God clear him of this blame ?? Was it so essential to remove that blame of Scrotal Hernia to make Prophet run naked.
Actually Problem with you people is ,you are sticking to the narations without considering whether these narrations are right or wrong ,no matter the dignity of Prophets is badly comprosmised.You accept the insult of the prophet but have no courage to say that this narration might be wrong.

So i'm losing it now? Wasn't it you who brought forward the hadith? Why didn't you then quote it fully yourself?

1) Prophet Abraham wasn't an idolator, he wasn't a polytheist, rather he worshipped Allaah our Creator and Sustainer Alone. Therefore when his family and those who disbelieved left to celebration which involved evil practises, he purposelly stated that he was ill in order to avoid going to the places of sin.

Now imagine that Religion of Truth that is starting from a "Lie".Only you can have the courage to base it like this not any true muslim (sorry to say)

So instead of always arguing amongst ourselves - we explain to the other and we find excuses for our brothers and sisters in faith. We clarify the correct position, and that is that.

Dooster's question is absolutely genuine.The difference between Sunna and Hadith has to be defiined.Being a muslim all you must know it.If you consider Hadith and sunna synonymous then same type of complications in understanding will go on occuring as in the above narrated Hadiths ,you are facing.

Eagle, if your posts continue within this thread - then they'll have to be deleted. If you want another thread, then please start it elsewhere if you have the intention to learn.

I do not think it is off topic.If it was you should have right away deleted them when I metioned two Hadiths in response to claim of accepting "every type " of Hadith no matter it is correct or wrong. You are a moderator ,you can delete,I was expecting this threat because truth is very bitter.

 

[Curaezipirid]

Interesting, I don't understand the whole background. I do have a question, is there a significance to writing AHadith instead of Ahadith?

I have no way of ascertaining any significance to your mind, but in my mind the letter "H" is a gateway to choice between belief in divinity of Islam and the fall; so I capitalise it for emphasis.

Could you decipher for me what the contextual difference is when in translation from Arabic?

I had been informed that there is a contextual sectarian distinction between typing Hadith, and Ahadith, but I side with the "A" in wanting for every AHadith to be read within the full original text, that is as full to the original context as we have been enabled to receive of, and I also like a capital "H". I am sure I saw it with these capitals in another context, but perhaps as A-Hadith rather.



The fact that I have occassionally written wasalam with more capitals in the first place: WASalam, is only coincidental, and is more like to me saying:

EMPHATICALLY AND salam,

which is an odd thing because in Aboriginal culture the word of "and" has a grammatical function unlike in any other language; that makes for enormously long sentences, sort of how I am usually writing.

 

[Curaezipirid]

Peace;
Because you believe in every "Hadith" it means you believe in that :
PROPHETS USED TO TELL LIE :

Wedlock, Marriage (Nikaah)
Bukhari :: Book 7 :: Volume 62 :: Hadith 21
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said: Abraham did not tell lies except three. (One of them was) when Abraham passed by a tyrant and (his wife) Sara was accompanying him (Abu Huraira then mentioned the whole narration and said (The tyrant) gave her Hajar. Sara said, "Allah saved me from the hands of the Kafir (i.e. infidel) and gave me Hajar to serve me." (Abu Huraira added That (Hajar) is your mother, O Banu Ma'-As-Sama' (i.e., the Arabs). ​

Well it is not saying in this small exert, exactly what all three lies are, is it? But this one here described is the lie that a gift was being given.

PROPHETS USED TO RUN NAKED IN FRONT OF PEOPLE;

Bathing (Ghusl)
Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 5 :: Hadith 277
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, 'The (people of) Bani Israel used to take bath naked (all together) looking at each other. The Prophet Moses used to take a bath alone. They said, 'By Allah! Nothing prevents Moses from taking a bath with us except that he has a scrotal hernia.' So once Moses went out to take a bath and put his clothes over a stone and then that stone ran away with his clothes. Moses followed that stone saying, "My clothes, O stone! My clothes, O stone! till the people of Bani Israel saw him and said, 'By Allah, Moses has got no defect in his body. Moses took his clothes and began to beat the stone." Abu Huraira added, "By Allah! There are still six or seven marks present on the stone from that excessive beating." ​

Moses would not let the infidels entertain any ideas about trying to make themselves into his image. So they made up a false rumour about him, but he was being devious in letting their false rumour being about his scrotum, as though he a weak man. It is a convenient false rumour for any Prophet to carry, since most of the Prophets have carried so very much of other persons wrongs in their mind at any one time, that the shaytan can not believe in the real correct mindedness of a Prophet, whom is always self correcting. However many of the Prophets also might have had a period of a very relaxed scrotum, as though it is weak, but which then returns to a stronger stability than previous. This is since that process causes a certain pysiological change in the body, which is enabling of the mind being very adapted to witness, at the same time as being fully attuned in Allah. The state of the biology in which prayer is made fully impossible, if it can be recovered from, induces a state of hightened capacity in prayer.

Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "When the Prophet Job (Aiyub) was taking a bath naked, golden locusts began to fall on him. Job started collecting them in his clothes. His Lord addressed him, 'O Job! Haven't I given you enough so that you are not in need of them.' Job replied, 'Yes!' By Your Honor (power)! But I cannot dispense with Your Blessings.' "

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Job is asking politely of Allah to enforce that he has the excess in blessings, which he needs not, stripped from him, since he says "I can not", when he knows that making Zakat is needed of him.

Salam

 

[Curaezipirid]

Does this hadith state that Prophet Ayyub/Job (peace be upon him) was having a bath in public? Don't you have a bath also? So what's so surprising about this? Without a doubt the amazing thing about this hadith is the fact that Prophet Ayyub/Job was rewarded greatly for his patience after the trial Allaah tested him with. As an example for the rest of mankind.

And Allaah knows best.

Peace.
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In the chapter of Job in the Old Testament, it begins with Iblis in the form of satan, communicating directly in Allah: Iblis expresses despair for man such as Job, whom have had every blessing bestowed upon them, and have upheld righteous lives, but whom can not comphrend their own responsibility in Allah. It is that Iblis took the interior form of such persons when addressed as though himself shaytan, since he had been among such persons. And the whole document is an emphatic statment of Job's inability to cognise, or mentally process any humanity in Allah.

I believe very firmly myself in Allah that such persons are who do the wrong that is, and always attempt to portray themselves as the best among the rest of us; their nature as shaytan is no other, yet we endanger our own self to them if we attempt to fault them. Allah sends Iblis back to investigate the situation of persons like Job, and so is his descent as satan thus fated in his predicament in which the shaytan were not then yet distinguished apart from other people.

Allah bestows upon Job a blessing, as Job is able to accept and still sustain a Human face to his belief; but in fact that bestowment is Allah's punishment of the shaytan. They are whose will it is in Allah not to enter Jannah in Human form; and the kafr they do can always best be transposed into an invertibrate creature.

Job said "I cannot" because he is entirely unable to resist any temptations.
Persons whom can comprehend that Job is, are obliged to put an end to the situation in which others speculate overly upon how far into sin he might be pushed, while then persons like him speculate upon how far other persons might fail to realise that he can not organise his mind into a life sustaining mental process. And so these things went on until a few began to realise the problem, of whom Isa is first, followed by Iblis and Mohammed.

But this is irrelevant to my refutation of those who proclaim that not every AHadith is necessary.
Salam

 

[Curaezipirid]

If numerical law is 2+2= 4.

Strange that your sentence begins with an "if".

Also it is good to additionally remember, if you can, that two yellow things, plus two green things, never equal four purple things.

WASalam

 

[Curaezipirid]

Salam everyone,

What is the general likelihood of obtaining a consensus about whether Eagle should be just allowed to accumulate purple fours from adding up our green and yellow ills, as though we direct that against Eagle directly?

My real wonderment at this point, is how effectively that Angel named Pestilance, is adept at turning a trick: made out of a lie about Abraham being a liar as though excusing other sets of three lies; a lie about Moses running around naked to escape public bathing with other naked persons; and a lie about Job's receipt of golden locusts when naked; into a bird.

What sort of bird is it, can Golden Eagles eat locusts, or is it one of those small eagles who eat locusts more regularly and the locusts are the real gold after all?

 

[Curaezipirid]

:salamext:


Bro doorster, can't we just explain to the sister using wisdom? Sis Curaezipirid agree's with the Sunnah and that's something praiseworthy. So instead of always arguing amongst ourselves - we explain to the other and we find excuses for our brothers and sisters in faith. We clarify the correct position, and that is that.

Peace.

Now I am wondering here as to this strange syntax in your sentence Qatada?

"So instead of always arguning amonst ourselves - we explain to the other and we find excuses for our brothers and sisters in faith."

It could not possibly mean as it reads, that you are giving a directive to shirk, so would you mind correcting it for me?

I realise that placement of the sentence: "We clarify the correct position, and that is that."; as it is, immediately after the sentence before it, is a sort of qualifying statement. So the earlier sentence is then tempered by the later. However I nearly had read the whole as though an expression of that sentiment usually reserved by Aboriginal australia as a "honey ant dream".

Best it not become confused and salam

 

[Curaezipirid]

Peace:
There is a lot of difference in rejecting "all" Hadiths and rejecting "non acceptable " stuff.
If you accept above quoted Hadiths,then you can see what is the picture and chracter of the Prophets portrayed in them.
Is islamic teaching about prophets consitent with them ?

Are you implying that we all believe that every Prophet was in Allah's absolute perfection in every moment of breathing? Surely Isa is the only among with that status!

I will just not accept that believe in every AHadith is the same as belief that every Prophet had not ever even once been in any mind less than total perfection!

Salam

 

[Curaezipirid]

Salam anybody still with this thread:

I believe that the problem is the fact that many persons are looking for a way to use AHadith to dis-prove their need to sustain belief in Islam; rather than using AHadith to prove immediate need to believe in Allah and the Prophets, and especially in Qur'an.

Alaykumuasalam