Time for a modern progressive islam

[tru_nigga]

If you don't like my posts, then don't comment on them. I won't debate you because you are a salafi fanatic.

 

[Preacher]

If you don't like my posts, then don't comment on them. I won't debate you because you are a salafi fanatic.

Hi there

hmm? I am thinking?

Nay, I will comments on them, because (a) I don't believe you are a Muslim (b) You have been uttering absolute Kufr (c) You have been insutling my Deen any my Ummah. My challenge will haunt you all over this forum. I want you to show us some guts and make your bite as bad as your bark is?

As far as your slander and allegation that I am a "salafi fanatic", post the evidence? So when you are confronted/questioned, you label people to weasel out?

So, here is my challenge again.

Regards
Preacher

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

this is typical salafi wahabi behavior.

Apparently, you are also one of those fooled by the "wahhabi" myth. Find out more here:
http://www.thewahhabimyth.com

Also, I would like everyone to abide by the hadith in my signature. The Prophet saws has given us the criteria to see who is the true muslim.

 

[tru_nigga]

Exactly, now saying to someone you are not a muslim and you speak kufr, what do u call that? Saying someone is of a particular sect or groups is not slander. Saying that they are fanatical is not slander, saying they speak kufr is. So u see your signature is what i follow. Second there seems to be a mentality here, if we agree to it its ok, if not its slander. Now a muslim should never call another muslim as an unbeliever or kafir or say you speak kufr. Because if he was mistaken the kufr will fall on him. If the ummah can't agree on what kufr is, there is no reason anybody think he knows what it is. Kufr is the rejection of the truth consciously and stubborningly. Its a heart matter. A matter only God knows. However this preacher thinks he has revelations concerning whats on people's hearts.

Everytime people say you are creating fitna by refering to people by their sect. Forum after forum i see them. Its always the same, young and radical calling people kafirs with such ease its amazing. Then soon they turn around and accuse each others of kufr. The people who preached this teachings in saudi arabia have now realised they created a monster. Now they themselves are called kufar. The students are calling the teachers kufar. Look at this site:

www.allaahuakbar.net Tell me who are they. Whats wrong with them, why are they so consumed with attacking others. Who is benefiting from all this.

 

[panIslamist]

Revival of Muslim Ummah is by Tasfiyah and Tarbiyah

By the Shaykh - the Scholar of Hadeeth - Muhammad Naasir ud-Deen al-Albaanee
From Fiqhul-Waaqi', pp. 49-51

Therefore, the key to a return of the glory of Islaam is:

Implementation of beneficial knowledge and establishing righteous and correct actions, and this is a very great affair with the Muslims cannot reach, except through the methodology (manhaj) of tasfiyah (purification and correction) and tarbiyah (education and cultivation). These being two very great obligations. By the first of these (i.e. tasfiyah), the following is intended:

1.. Purifying the Islamic Aqeedah from that which is alien to it, such as shirk, ta'teel, ta`weel, refusing authentic ahaadeeth, because they are connected to matters of 'aqeedah, and their like.

2.. Purifying the Islamic fiqh from erroneous judgements which are contrary to the Qur`aan and the Sunnah, freeing the minds from the fetters of blind-following and the darkness of sectarianism and party spirit.

3. Purifying the books of tafseer, fiqh and raqaa'iq (matters concerning the heart) and other than that from ahadeeth that are weak and fabricated, or the unsupported narrations from the people of the Book, and the reprehensible narrations.

As regards the second obligation (i.e. tarbiyah), then by it I mean: cultivating the young generation upon this Islaam, purified from all that we have mentioned, giving to them a correct Islamic education from the start - without any influence from the disbelieving western education. There is no doubt that bringing these two obligations about requires huge efforts and sincere cooperation between all Muslims, individuals and groups, from all those who are truly concerned with establishing the desired Islamic society, each one working in his own field and specialty."

Also read: http://www.calltoislam.com/pdf/tarbiyyah.pdf

 

[Abubakar]

Brother Preacher

I do not agree with Bro True Nigga in what he has said on this subject but please you are a senior member and whatever you suspect do not call anyone claiming to be muslim Kufr. This is an Islamic Forum and we should all remember our Prophets (pbuh) perfect manners and try to emulate him.

Please brother, it hurts us all.

Peace

 

[Ummu Amatullah]

asallama alaikum brother I couldn't agree more. These days Micheal Jackson(a man that malaces children for a living) is taken as an icon more then muslim figures such as the honorable prophet Muhammed(may allah's peace and blessings be upon him).I heard many times that children were the future, but under these curcumstances imagine how the future would be. May allah guide this Ummah amen

 

[Takumi]

Interesting.

Islam has always been progressive. I believe we fail to see that because we don't have any current examples to show us how Islam will work. Sad but it's the truth. But we are believing men and women who believes only Islam, in its truest form will prevail, either by us or by another entity who loves Allah and His messenger more than we do.

Remember, on the day of judgement, we can only defend ourselves.

We sometimes insist on living in the past. Microscopically, we can't even sometimes establish the "khilafah' within us. How do we expect to establish the khilafah in this world?

Nevertheless, it doesn't mean that we shouldn't improve. Rather than saying "Islam should be reformed", we ought to say, "the practice of Islam MUST be reformed". It's very evident that certain practices are out of date and sometimes far from Islam.

Muhammad Idress as Shafi'e himself had two qaul. One when he was residing in Egypt and one when he was residing in Makkah/Madinah. There are some instances that certain fatwa was executed owing to the circumstances of the perpertrator.

Remember the case of that woman who came to the prophet admitting that she committed adultery and she was then pregnant? The prophet did not carry out the necessary punishment until he had told her to give birth to the child and finished breastfeeding the baby. And then made a remark than if all the forgiveness of human kind be gathered, they would not compare to the repentance of that lady. So, did the prophet not implement the shaariah? Countries run by muslim, do they practice this spirit of compassion and mercy showed unconditionally by our beloved prophet. ?

I believe the issue is with the practice, WE MUST ADMIT to that, because even in the time of all the caliphate after Khulafa' Ar Raashideen, the Umayyad, the Abbassid and the Faatimids, the PRACTICE of Islamic law was not perfect to what the prophet had preached. Except for the time of Umar ibn Abd Aziz where, his credibility as a leader and a pious leader was a major contributor to the peace and wholesomeness of the practice of Islam at that time.

Brothers and sisters,

Our forum is a representative of what we are outside this tiny cable connected world.

Enemies of Islam come in many different faces and but there's one TRUE enemy that is working 24/7 to destroy us through his servants and descendants and we know who he is.

Let us re-think and calm down. It's very unbecoming that the moderator has to advise us against name calling and unfriendly gestures.

Words can hurt and I remember the the hadeeth of the prophet who asked his companions about the one who is bankrupt. They answered, the bankrupt is the one who had lost his wealth. BUt the prophet corrected them, that the bankrupt is the one who comes on the day of judgment with mountain of deeds, but then in his life, he had hurt someone verbally or physically and he did not reconcile. Allah will then command the angels to take his good deeds and give them to the person who he had wronged. Worse, if his good deeds are not enough to expiate his wrongdoings, the other person's bad deeds will then be transferred to him until he will end up in the hell fire.

Now, is it worth it? :-[

 

[Lateralus63]

Interesting.

Islam has always been progressive

Islam hasnt been progressive, its the circumstances and the people around it that fluctuate. Islam has remained definitive.

I agree with what you have been saying in your post, all the islamic progression is pointed towards in the people rather than the religion itself, a good answer indeed.

Firstly for people to progress in islam they need to learn how to walk in the metaphorical sense of the islamic world, to do this they have to first learn the religion and know what its about, in the moderate sense not everybody has to be a scholar.

Then once your on that stage, the key is not taking islam of how you want to take it rather its how you re apply yourself once you take islam of how its supposed to be taken.

 

[Shadow]

why did ppl stop posting here???
just wondering thts all
:brother:

 

[Genius]

Agreed, Islam is not going to change just so you can impress your western friends.

 

[Muezzin]

Make the lock! Make the lock!