To the tyrants of the Arab world...

[جوري]

Finkelstein, also, was not prosecuted in any way by the government and had absolutely zero chance of jail time. Also what do you call those held in Gitmo without trial and for years? I have always been against Gitmo. I have always thought that the people being held there should either be brought up on charges or let go. Those are not cases, though, of people not being allowed to voice their opinion. These are people accused of acts of violence.

you being against something doesn't mean that it doesn't take place.. and that is just the crap you know.. Finklestein and countless others have lost their job, and there are many means to make ones life a jail that doesn't have to be a physical one.. although it certainly hasn't kept your country from doing just that to people, whether vocal or not.. Don't they want Al'Awlaki for doing just that.. speaking his mind? stop being a hypocrite please..

Also if they're people accused why not make them stand trial? Is it normal for people to stand acused for merely being Muslim? 13 year olds, 70 year olds?

your govt. is just as ****ty as the Iranian one, same **** different arrangement, and by that token it doesn't give you any remote opportunity to criticize..

all the best

 

[titus]

I have no right to criticize anything governments around the world do because my government isn't perfect? So please, tell me, as an Egyptian who lives in the United States, where exactly do you get your right to criticize other countries?

Also if they're people accused why not make them stand trial? Is it normal for people to stand acused for merely being Muslim? 13 year olds, 70 year olds?

I am not sure exactly what you are referring to here. If you are referring to the people being held at Gitmo I already said they should stand trial if they are accused of anything.

As for being accused of being Muslim..... what are you talking about? Who is being held for "being Muslim"?

 

[جوري]

I have no right to criticize anything governments around the world do because my government isn't perfect? So please, tell me, as an Egyptian who lives in the United States, where exactly do you get your right to criticize other countries?



I am not sure exactly what you are referring to here. If you are referring to the people being held at Gitmo I already said they should stand trial if they are accused of anything.

As for being accused of being Muslim..... what are you talking about? Who is being held for "being Muslim"?

This very thread started by me is all about criticism of middle eastern govt... wakey wakey.. I have never held the argument that my govt. is perfect and yours sucks or that my style 'democracy' is the way or the highway.. you're so blinded by your personal persuasions, you can't see things for what they're even when on a thread so entitled!

You need to focus on the ills of your country before expanding your criticism left and right as we've already stated it makes you a hypocrite peddling the same crap in a different arrangement so get off that high and mighty horse and Chanel all that bravado where it will suit your interests better! ..

as for your ending statement. I am talking about the Muslims being held at Gitmo without trial.. if you can't focus then perhaps you should hit the sac and spare us the inane comments!

all the best

 

[titus]

This very thread started by me is all about criticism of middle eastern govt... wakey wakey.

Yes, but you said I shouldn't criticize other countries because because mine was flawed, yet you start a thread criticizing other countries. I simply ask that you not be so hypocritical in allowing yourself to criticize other countries but telling me you don't believe I have the right to do the same.

as for your ending statement. I am talking about the Muslims being held at Gitmo without trial..

Can you give a name? As far as I know the people held at Gitmo were there for specific reasons, not for simply being a Muslim.

I have never held the argument that my govt. is perfect and yours sucks or that my style 'democracy' is the way or the highway

I have never held the argument that my government is perfect, nor have I ever said that democracy is perfect. You are the only one of us that argues that a certain form of government is perfect.

 

[جوري]

Yes, but you said I shouldn't criticize other countries because because mine was flawed, yet you start a thread criticizing other countries. I simply ask that you not be so hypocritical in allowing yourself to criticize other countries but telling me you don't believe I have the right to do the same.

I don't see how it is hypocritical if I hold them all in the same regard? You seem to be under some sort of delusion that your country is a paragon of a virtue when it is as low and disgusting if not worst considering all your govt. funded and approved slaughters that go on overseas!
http://www.youtube.com/user/iLovePalestineDotCom

Can you give a name? As far as I know the people held at Gitmo were there for specific reasons, not for simply being a Muslim.

How about you give me the names of all those held at Gitmo for starters and what their crimes are, and when they've been found guilty of such crimes!

I have never held the argument that my government is perfect, nor have I ever said that democracy is perfect. You are the only one of us that argues that a certain form of government is perfect.

Then what are you babbling about of freedom of this and freedom of that when it is clear that it is only freedom to express a very monolithic point of view!

 

[titus]

I don't see how it is hypocritical if I hold them all in the same regard?

But you don't hold them all in the same regard. You excuse things that happen in Iran, or at the very least minimize it, while at the same time exaggerating things that happen in other countries, especially the United States.

You get defensive when a non-Muslim criticizes the Iranian government for silencing those that disagree with them on a thread you started applauding the people that stood up against their governments.

Does it not strike you as odd to sit there and judge what is good and what isn't? What is your baseline for such assertions?

I figure I have just as much a right to assert what I believe is good and what is not just as much as you do. I find nothing odd about that at all.

What I do wonder about, though, is why you get upset when I write my belief that a government that arrests and executes those that peacefully protest against it is wrong.

How about you give me the names of all those held at Gitmo for starters and what their crimes are, and when they've been found guilty of such crimes!

It's kind of off topic but I will humor you:

Of 775 detainees only 172 remain. Around 50-60 are to be released but they are having a hard time finding anyone that will take them. For their names you can follow this link.

Again, you and I agree that if these people are not to be charged and put on trial they need to be released.

Then what are you babbling about of freedom of this and freedom of that?

Someone asked what was corrupt about the Iranian government. I responded by bringing up their predilection for arresting and executing people that criticize them.

 

[جوري]

But you don't hold them all in the same regard. You excuse things that happen in Iran, or at the very least minimize it, while at the same time exaggerating things that happen in other countries, especially the United States.

Not at all.. Iran is a shiite govt. I don't even view them as anything but a heretic faction.. let alone go to make excuses for them!

You get defensive when a non-Muslim criticizes the Iranian government for silencing those that disagree with them on a thread you started applauding the people that stood up against their governments.

See above reply!

I figure I have just as much a right to assert what I believe is good and what is not just as much as you do. I find nothing odd about that at all.

What you believe is without merit.. and we're not about 'beliefs' in a world's affair section!

What I do wonder about, though, is why you get upset when I write my belief that a government that arrests and executes those that peacefully protest against it is wrong.

because it is, and falsehood should be vehemently refuted!
but I am not upset about it!

It's kind of off topic but I will humor you:
Of 775 detainees only 172 remain. Around 50-60 are to be released but they are having a hard time finding anyone that will take them. For their names you can follow this link.

I fail to see anything humorous about holding in nearly a thousand person because they don't look to your govt.s liking -- do you think they can simply pick up where they've left off after being imprisoned for five years? You find it humorous to ruin people's lives.. and then ask why people are 'upset' with what you write?

Again, you and I agree that if these people are not to be charged and put on trial they need to be released.

But they're not.. so how about you protest against that, instead of the ills of Iran?

Someone asked what was corrupt about the Iranian government. I responded by bringing up their predilection for arresting and executing people that criticize them.

The same thing ails your govt. too.. we merely want to point that out!

all the best

 

[titus]

What you believe is without merit.. and we're not about 'beliefs' in a world's affair section!

Sure we are. We all discuss what we want to happen and what we believe would be best.

because it is, and falsehood should be vehemently refuted!
but I am not upset about it!

But it is not a falsehood.

I fail to see anything humorous about holding in nearly a thousand person because they don't look to your govt.s liking

In my post I said I would humor you.

Humor: tr.v. 1. To comply with the wishes or ideas of; indulge.

Nothing funny was intended.

But they're not.. so how about you protest against that, instead of the ills of Iran?

On this forum I do it by stating my disgust with both. I don't have to choose just one when I consider both of them to be wrong.

 

[CosmicPathos]

this is the video for the moment, I hope similar things happen across the Muslim world, has some music :S