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[FONT=tahoma,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]3880 [119] - Rabbi Akiva - Arrested by the Romans [/FONT]
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Rabbi Akiva (Mishnaic Sage) was arrested by the Romans for "unlawfully" teaching Torah in public. Five days later (on Yom Kippur), he died the death of a martyr as the Romans removed his skin with iron combs. He smiled while being tortured to death, when asked for an explanation he exclaimed: "All my life I have wondered 'when would I get the opportunity to die for the sanctification of G-d's Holy Name', now that this opportunity has come, should I not rejoice?" Shortly thereafter his soul departed with the words Shma Yisrael ("Hear oh Israel...") on his lips. This event is recalled in the Yom Kippur prayers.[/FONT]
 
therebbe said:
[FONT=tahoma,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]3880 [119] - Rabbi Akiva - Arrested by the Romans [/FONT]
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Rabbi Akiva (Mishnaic Sage) was arrested by the Romans for "unlawfully" teaching Torah in public. Five days later (on Yom Kippur), he died the death of a martyr as the Romans removed his skin with iron combs. He smiled while being tortured to death, when asked for an explanation he exclaimed: "All my life I have wondered 'when would I get the opportunity to die for the sanctification of G-d's Holy Name', now that this opportunity has come, should I not rejoice?" Shortly thereafter his soul departed with the words Shma Yisrael ("Hear oh Israel...") on his lips. This event is recalled in the Yom Kippur prayers.[/FONT]
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In accordance to Islamic, he might be awarded paradise
 
5702 [September 30, 1941] - Babi Yar: Kiev's Jewish Community Murdered by Nazis
At least 33,771 of Kiev's 175,000 Jews were killed at Babi Yar (a suburban ravine near the Jewish Cemetery). The Jewish community assembled at Babi Yar, assuming they would be loaded onto trains. They were asked to undress and were beaten if they resisted. They were then systematically shot by machine gun fire. Later, another 60,000 people were shot at Babi Yar, (including some Russian POW).
 
I never understood why people force others to undress before they shoot or torture them? It is as if they wish to humiliate their very soul ... it is unforgivable... In Islam we are told those people (the ones who torture others) will never smell heaven whose scent can be appreciated up to 200 years distance.......them and the women who dress in see through clothes..... (alkasiat al3aryat)
wallah a3lam
 
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therebbe said:
[FONT=tahoma,arial,helvetica,sans-serif]3880 [119] - Rabbi Akiva - Arrested by the Romans [/FONT]
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Rabbi Akiva (Mishnaic Sage) was arrested by the Romans for "unlawfully" teaching Torah in public. Five days later (on Yom Kippur), he died the death of a martyr as the Romans removed his skin with iron combs. He smiled while being tortured to death, when asked for an explanation he exclaimed: "All my life I have wondered 'when would I get the opportunity to die for the sanctification of G-d's Holy Name', now that this opportunity has come, should I not rejoice?" Shortly thereafter his soul departed with the words Shma Yisrael ("Hear oh Israel...") on his lips. This event is recalled in the Yom Kippur prayers.[/FONT]
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Correct me if I wrong...But I heard the Jews aren't allowed to preach in public and have to let an individual find out about judaism through their own efforts.

I have never seen anyone publicly preach about Judaism to convert others to Judasm...therefore i thought what I heard was correct, maybe I am wrong :?
 
WnbSlveOfAllah said:
Correct me if I wrong...But I heard the Jews aren't allowed to preach in public and have to let an individual find out about judaism through their own efforts.

I have never seen anyone publicly preach about Judaism to convert others to Judasm...therefore i thought what I heard was correct, maybe I am wrong :?
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Hahaha, I don't think you understand what "public" means. It means, teaching Torah to Jews while not hiding it from others, in a basement.

Lets say Me and the Rabbi went to Starbucks and started studying Torah. That would be in Public, and therefore, we would be guilty in many countrys during the Middle Ages.
 
therebbe said:
Hahaha, I don't think you understand what "public" means. It means, teaching Torah to Jews while not hiding it from others, in a basement.

Lets say Me and the Rabbi went to Starbucks and started studying Torah. That would be in Public, and therefore, we would be guilty in many countrys during the Middle Ages.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA....Silly me...

So I was right about Jews keeping their religion to themselves and not wanting to preach to others outside their faith.
Its a good thing Moses didn't follow this rule otherwise Judaism as you know it would've died with him :hiding: :D
 
Its a good thing Moses didn't follow this rule otherwise Judaism as you know it would've died with him
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Not really. It was obligation to preach to his people. The Hebrews. They were the people that would inevitabley make a covanent with G-d. It is different when it is people outside, because the Torah has laws for them to follow. Laws similar to Islam, which why many believe that Islam was willed to creation for the purpose of following the Torahs laws for Non-Jews. Yet many Muslims hate Jews and some preach killing Jews even though this is a minoirty so they end up not following them.
 
therebbe said:
Not really. It was obligation to preach to his people. The Hebrews. They were the people that would inevitabley make a covanent with G-d. It is different when it is people outside, because the Torah has laws for them to follow. Laws similar to Islam, which why many believe that Islam was willed to creation for the purpose of following the Torahs laws for Non-Jews. Yet many Muslims hate Jews and some preach killing Jews even though this is a minoirty so they end up not following them.
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Muslims don't hate Jews... I can't speak for every Muslim... people don't go on hating other people for their religion it makes no sense even Islamically speaking as Jews are considered people of the book!... HOWEVER, muslims do despise the colonial settler state of Israel and its criminal acts.... I personally have lots of Jewish friends... my lab partner in under grad was Hasidic, during my peds rotation which conincded with Ramadan the jewish girl who was rotating with me used to bring me kosher bread and cheese. and we'd have it together. I don't understand the things you come up with sometimes?... political anymosity is different than the day to day living........
 
therebbe said:
Not really. It was obligation to preach to his people. The Hebrews. They were the people that would inevitabley make a covanent with G-d. It is different when it is people outside, because the Torah has laws for them to follow. Laws similar to Islam, which why many believe that Islam was willed to creation for the purpose of following the Torahs laws for Non-Jews.
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Why is it diffrent for people outside? I also get the feeling your saying Judaism was made only for the children of Israel (and their decendants of course) at the time of Pharoah. And diffrent laws/religions were sent by G-d for Non-Jews. So you saying G-d is racist? please clarify.

By the way I personnaly have no problems with Jews/Judaism but Zionists are a different story altogether.
 
Why is it diffrent for people outside? I also get the feeling your saying Judaism was made only for the children of Israel (and their decendants of course) at the time of Pharoah. And diffrent laws/religions were sent by G-d for Non-Jews. So you saying G-d is racist? please clarify.
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I don't think you understand. Jews are commanded to follow the 613 laws of G-d. Non-Jews were commanded to follow 7 laws of G-d. Anytime a Non-Jew wants to convert he can. It will take about a year and an interview to make sure you are doing it for the right reasons, and then you can convert. Jews do not go looking for converts, because we believe that it is worthless to convert to Judaism if you do not follow all the laws. You can go to heaven as a righteous gentile. We do not threaten people with "Hellfire" if they do not become Jews.

We want to make sure that if you accept to be a part of the Covanent with G-d and follow Hashem's laws, then you must be dedicated and the kind of person who is willing to be patient and wait a year, and seek out Judaism.
 
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He was dead hundred years before Prophet Muhammad was born.... he might be a righteous person...
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He was a muslim, it is clear from the story he was selfless and willing to sacrifice his life for the sake of Allah(SWT)

Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 191:
Narrated Khabbaba:

I came to the Prophet while he was leaning against his sheet cloak in the shade of the Ka'ba. We were suffering greatly from the pagans in those days. i said (to him). "Will you invoke Allah (to help us)?" He sat down with a red face and said, "(A believer among) those who were before you used to be combed with iron combs so that nothing of his flesh or nerves would remain on his bones; yet that would never make him desert his religion.
 
Salaam,

A muslim is one who surrenders.

Who worship the ONE GOD,and take no partner othr than Allah.

All Prophets are muslim,for they all worship ONE GOD and surrender to ALLAH.

The Jew mentioned may or may not be muslim,he may teach the Torah that is corrupted and follow corrupt practises.Thus he is propogating misocnetion and deviating from Divine truth.

that is why the Quran is sent to manking,to right the worng done in the other holy books.

So i would say refrain from saying olden people as muslim.

Let it rest in Allah hands.
 
I know he went to heaven. Because those who follow the word of G-d. The Torah will go to heaven. Back then, and today. It has not changed. G-d is all knowing. He got it on the first try.
 

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