~~Today In Jewish History~~

[Zulkiflim]

I know he went to heaven. Because those who follow the word of G-d. The Torah will go to heaven. Back then, and today. It has not changed. G-d is all knowing. He got it on the first try.

Salaam,

Wow so you have knowledge of the unseen.

that this man will surely go to heaven.

And we already know the torah has been chaged but no one know to waht extent in the different times.

that is why the Quran was sent down as the Criterion to right what was wrong.

Did you know that Allah challenged those who siad their entry to heaven is assured.

Allah challenged those who say to prove they will SURELY enter heaven.Show the proof.
But they could not

Then another challenge..

If you say you will enter heaven then SEEK YE DEATH..

But they wont.

For in the silence of their hearts they know their owrds are but words,empty air.

Only Allah decides whom enter Heaven or Hell.

 

[therebbe]

Wow so you have knowledge of the unseen.

You claim to also, in many of your posts. G-d is unseen, how do you know G-d exists? Belief.

And we already know the torah has been chaged but no one know to waht extent in the different times.

So the hypocrite tells me off because I claim to see the unseen, and then claims the Torah is changed when he never saw it changed.

If you say you will enter heaven then SEEK YE DEATH..

Jews cherish life. G-d tells us we must be focused on this world and helping our fellow man. Not focus on death like other religions.

 

[Zulkiflim]

You claim to also, in many of your posts. G-d is unseen, how do you know G-d exists? Belief.



So the hypocrite tells me off because I claim to see the unseen, and then claims the Torah is changed when he never saw it changed.



Jews cherish life. G-d tells us we must be focused on this world and helping our fellow man. Not focus on death like other religions.

Salaam,

Umm i did,,can you post the word where i say upon my authority that a person will enter heaven.thanks


So you did claim to the unseen,did you not,are you retracting your word? If you are then Alhamdulilah,for it is arrogance for a man to use his own authority to say he will enter heaven or soe one else.
We need not claim the Torah is chaged,it is changed.

Rashi’s first mention of the this concept is found in Genesis, when God visited Abraham. God came to visit after Abraham circumcised himself. However, this visit was interrupted by the appearance of the three angels (who appeared like men to Abraham). After they left God came back as it was, however, it was viewed inappropriate to say that God came and stood or waited before Abraham. Therefore, the verse was altered to say that Abraham still stood before God. Rashi explains this change is one of the Tikkun Soferim. The simple way to understand this concept is just the Rabbis came and explained that although there should have been a different reading, this one was chosen so not appear offensive to God. But, importantly, the Rabbis did not actually make the change, rather they came to explain it.

http://seforim.blogspot.com/2006/09/tikkun-soferim-later-amendations-to.html

In some editions[3] of Rashi, there are a few additional words which offer a very different insight into the Tikkun Soferim process. These are “שהפכוהו רבותינו לכתוב זה” or “The Rabbis altered it to state thus.”[4] This means that after the Torah was written, some later Rabbis came and altered to the text.

The simple answer is that the Rambam wrote in a responsum (Pe'er Hador, 9) that, for the purposes of synagogue use, even an invalid Torah scroll may be used.

http://www.aishdas.org/toratemet/en_pamphlet9.html

There are at least 4 Hebrew-letter versions of the Torah:

Samaritan - mixture of Babylonian-Jewish traditions,
preserving the narrative story but not paying
particular attention to the exact letter sequence;

Ashkenazi - Northern and Eastern Jewish tradition,
paying attention to the exact letter sequence;

Sephardi - Latin and North African Jewish tradition,
paying attention to the exact letter sequence; and

Yemenite - Muslim and African Jewish tradition,
paying attention to the exact letter sequence.

In the entire 304,805 letter Torah sequence,
there are only 9 letter variations among
the Ashkenazi, Sephardi, and Yemenite versions.

Between those versions and the Samaritan version,
there are about 6,000 letter variations,
even though the narrative stories are virtually identical.

http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/Torah.html

 

[north_malaysian]

He was a muslim, it is clear from the story he was selfless and willing to sacrifice his life for the sake of Allah(SWT)

Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 191:
Narrated Khabbaba:

I came to the Prophet while he was leaning against his sheet cloak in the shade of the Ka'ba. We were suffering greatly from the pagans in those days. i said (to him). "Will you invoke Allah (to help us)?" He sat down with a red face and said, "(A believer among) those who were before you used to be combed with iron combs so that nothing of his flesh or nerves would remain on his bones; yet that would never make him desert his religion.

Is the Prophet referring to Rabbi Akiva? MAshallah..... I'm hoping to have a very firm faith in God as him....

 

[therebbe]

He was a muslim, it is clear from the story he was selfless and willing to sacrifice his life for the sake of Allah(SWT)

He prayed 3 times a day, observed Jewish law, and gave his life as a martyr for the Jews G-d and Torah as his last words were the Shema, the call/battle cry of all jews that G-d is one, and his torah is law.

he did not follow Islamic law, therefore. he isnt muslim.

 

[Woodrow]

May we all now return to the topic of the thread.

 

[north_malaysian]

He was a muslim, it is clear from the story he was selfless and willing to sacrifice his life for the sake of Allah(SWT)

Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 191:
Narrated Khabbaba:

I came to the Prophet while he was leaning against his sheet cloak in the shade of the Ka'ba. We were suffering greatly from the pagans in those days. i said (to him). "Will you invoke Allah (to help us)?" He sat down with a red face and said, "(A believer among) those who were before you used to be combed with iron combs so that nothing of his flesh or nerves would remain on his bones; yet that would never make him desert his religion.

But this hadith is a proof that he's considered a Muslim....

 

[ManchesterFolk]

But this hadith is a proof that he's considered a Muslim....

The story was well known throught the world though. The Jews hold him as a great Martyr. This could very well have been recorded in a Hadith because it was such a well known story.

But who knows what the truth is. I believe your thoughts are genuine that this man was definitly a Muslim. What Jews believe is that he is a Jew because his vast commenttary on Jewish law.

 

[north_malaysian]

The story was well known throught the world though. The Jews hold him as a great Martyr. This could very well have been recorded in a Hadith because it was such a well known story.

But who knows what the truth is. I believe your thoughts are genuine that this man was definitly a Muslim. What Jews believe is that he is a Jew because his vast commenttary on Jewish law.

At least two religious groups declared him as a martyr. He must be very proud of himself!!!:happy:

 

[Goku]

He was a muslim, it is clear from the story he was selfless and willing to sacrifice his life for the sake of Allah(SWT)

Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 191:
Narrated Khabbaba:

I came to the Prophet while he was leaning against his sheet cloak in the shade of the Ka'ba. We were suffering greatly from the pagans in those days. i said (to him). "Will you invoke Allah (to help us)?" He sat down with a red face and said, "(A believer among) those who were before you used to be combed with iron combs so that nothing of his flesh or nerves would remain on his bones; yet that would never make him desert his religion.

That Hadith describes almost exactly what happened to people like the righteous Rabbi.

 

[InToTheRain]

He prayed 3 times a day, observed Jewish law, and gave his life as a martyr for the Jews G-d and Torah as his last words were the Shema, the call/battle cry of all jews that G-d is one, and his torah is law.

he did not follow Islamic law, therefore. he isnt muslim.

A Muslim is someone who submits his will sincerely to the obedience and worship of the the one true God which is Allah(SWT). Its a misconception that Muslims existed from the time of Mohammad(SAW), they have existed since the 1st creature made to worship Allah(SWT).

Further more we know in Judaism there are 71 sects and only 1 sect are muslims (True believers), and from the story you have told it's obvious the rabbi is part of that sect Insha'Allah and not of those who have deviated from the original message Moses(AS) bought.

 

[ManchesterFolk]

Further more we know in Judaism there are 71 sects

71 sects?

I highly disagree. The only sects that are recongnized by mainstream Judaism and the councils of North America and Holy Land are the Reform movement, Consercative movement, Orthodox movement and reconstructionist movement.

Orthododx Judaism is the only source on the strict interpretations of the Torah which they follow called the "613 mitzvot"