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Im a former Marxist and Atheist I want to know about the Islamic economic system and why it is better then Socialism/Communism or Marxism I know that the economic system of Islam is not Capitalism but why is it better then Marxism ?
 
Re: Im a former Marxist and Atheist I want to know about the Islamic economic system

Peace,

I'm not too learned on this subject and I don't know if this is economically the best, but I take this over any system any day -

Islam is an entire way of life, and Allah's Guidance extends into all areas of our lives. Islam has given detailed regulations for our economic life, which is balanced and fair. Muslims are to recognize that wealth, earnings, and material goods are the property of God, and that we are merely His trustees. The principles of Islam aim at establishing a just society wherein everyone will behave responsibly and honestly. The fundamental principles of the Islamic economic system are as follows:

  • Muslims are not to deal in interest. "Those who devour usury will not stand....Allah has permitted trade and forbidden usury.... Allah will deprive usury of all blessing, but will give increase for deeds of charity..." (Qur'an 2:275-6). "O you who believe! Devour not usury, doubled and multiplied. But fear Allah, that you may really prosper" (Qur'an 3:130) This prohibition is for all interest-based transactions, whether giving or receiving, whether dealing with Muslims or non-Muslims. It is reported that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) cursed those who pay interest, those who receive it, those who write a contract based on it, and those who witness such a contract.
  • It is forbidden to gain property or wealth by fraud, deceit, theft, or other falsehoods. "...Give just measure and weight, and do not withhold from people the things that are their due. And do not do mischief on the earth after it has been set in order. That will be best for you, if you have faith" (Qur'an 7:85).
  • It is particularly hateful for a guardian to take from an orphan's property. "To orphans restore their property (when they reach their age). Do not substitute your worthless things for their good ones, and do not devour their property by mixing it up with your own. For this is indeed a great sin" (Qur'an 4:2).
  • Forbidden are earnings from gambling, lotteries, and the production, sale, and distribution of alcohol. "O you who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, sacrificing to stones, and divination by arrows are an abomination of Satan's handiwork. Eschew such abomination, that you may prosper" (Qur'an 5:90).
  • It is unlawful to hoard food and other basic necessities. Everyone should take what they need and no more. "And let those who covetously withhold of the gifts which Allah has given them of His Grace, think that it is good for them. No, it will be the worse for them. Soon it will tied to their necks like a twisted collar, on the Day of Judgment. To Allah belongs the heritage of the heavens and the earth, and Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do" (Qur'an 3:180).
  • A Muslim should be responsible in spending money. Extravagance and waste are strongly discouraged. "[The Servants of Allah are] Those who, when they spend, are not extravagant and not stingy, but hold a just balance between those extremes" (Qur'an 25:67). "O Children of Adam! Wear your beautiful apparel at every time and place of prayer. Eat and drink, but waste not by excess, for Allah loves not the wasters" (Qur'an 7:31).
  • Muslims must pay Zakat (alms). "And they have been commanded no more than this: to worship Allah, offering Him sincere devotion, being true in faith. To establish regular prayer, and to give zakat. And that is the religion right and straight" (Qur'an 98:5). Every Muslim who owns wealth, more than a certain amount to meet his or her needs, must pay a fixed rate of Zakat to those in need. Zakat is a means of narrowing the gap between the rich and the poor, and to make sure that everyone's needs are met.
  • Muslims are encouraged to give constantly in charity. "Your riches and your children may be but a trial. Whereas Allah, with Him is the highest reward. So fear Allah as much as you can, listen and obey, and spend in charity for the benefit of your own souls. And those saved from the selfishness of their own souls, they are the ones that achieve prosperity" (Qur'an 64:15-16). The Prophet Muhammad once said that "nobody's assets are reduced by charity."

http://islam.about.com/od/business/a/economics.htm
 
Re: Im a former Marxist and Atheist I want to know about the Islamic economic system

Hello truthseeker63 unfortunately I don't have any knowledge on this subject :( but I am pleased to have met you (well not literally :p) because I'm studying sociology and I come across the work of Marxists all the time! Very very interesting indeed :D Now I'd love to meet a functionalist :p sorry I've not been of much help!
 
Re: Im a former Marxist and Atheist I want to know about the Islamic economic system

truthseeker63 said:
Im a former Marxist and Atheist I want to know about the Islamic economic system and why it is better then Socialism/Communism or Marxism I know that the economic system of Islam is not Capitalism but why is it better then Marxism ?
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It is best to get a book on Islamic economics. It's a broad subject.
 
Re: Im a former Marxist and Atheist I want to know about the Islamic economic system

I have never thought of any Islamic economic system. I believe it would be very difficult to pull out all of the factors in Islam that would be thought of as being part of an economic system.

I doubt if a Muslim would be affected very much by any economic system however, the system might be affected by us.

Essentially Islam supports free enterprise except there are products we can not produce or distribute. Anything that is halal can be produced and sold. Very much the same as in any free enterprise system. I do think there is more fair distribution of wealth as a result of Zakat and the obligation of charity. (In the ideal scenario)

So if Islam were perfectly practiced in a true Islamic Nation I believe the economic system would contain the best features of Capitalism, Marxism and Communism, while avoiding the drawbacks of each.
 
Re: Im a former Marxist and Atheist I want to know about the Islamic economic system

Assalaamu Alaikum

Woodrow said:
So if Islam were perfectly practiced in a true Islamic Nation I believe the economic system would contain the best features of Capitalism, Marxism and Communism, while avoiding the drawbacks of each.
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well said.
 
Re: Im a former Marxist and Atheist I want to know about the Islamic economic system

Dear Friend,

Since the Qur’an’s principles and laws have come from pre-eternity, they shall go to post-eternity. They are not condemned to grow old and die like civilization’s laws. They are always young and strong. For example, despite all its societies for good works, all its establishments for the teaching of ethics, all its severe discipline and regulations, civilization has been unable to contest the All-Wise Qur’an on two of its matters, and has been defeated by them. These two matters are:

"Be steadfast in performing the prayers, and give zakat," Qur’an, 2:43,
and,
"God has permitted trade and forbidden usury." Qur’an, 2:275.

We shall describe them, this miraculous victory, by means of an introduction. It is like this:
Just as the source of mankind’s revolutions is one phrase, so another phrase is the origin of all immorality.

First Phrase: “So long as I’m full, what is it to me if others die of hunger.”
Second Phrase: “You work so that I can eat.”

Yes, the upper and lower classes in human society, that is, the rich and the poor, live at peace when in equilibrium. The basis of that equilibrium is compassion and kindness in the upper classes, and respect and obedience in the lower classes. Now, the first phrase has incited the upper classes to practise oppression, immorality, and mercilessness. And just as the second has driven the lower classes to hatred, envy, and to contend the upper classes, and has negated man’s tranquillity for several centuries, so too last century, as the result of the struggle between capital and labour, it has been the cause of the momentous events of Europe well-known by all. Thus, together with all its societies for good works, all its establishments for the teaching of ethics, all its severe discipline and regulations, it could not reconcile these two classes of mankind, nor could it heal the two fearsome wounds in human life. The Qur’an, however, eradicates the first phrase with its injunction to pay zakat, and heals it. While it uproots the second phrase with its prohibition on usury and interest, and cures that. Indeed, the Qur’anic verse stands at the door of the world and declares usury and interest to be forbidden. It reads out its decree to mankind, saying: “In order to close the door of strife, close the door of usury and interest!” It forbids its students to enter it.
 
Re: Im a former Marxist and Atheist I want to know about the Islamic economic system

Hi Truthseeker!

I wont be able to give you any lengthy acedemic answer, but here is basically why the Islamic economic system is the best with some reiteration of some aspects allready mentioned above:

the Islamic system is based on fair and ethical practice for all, i.e no interest/usury [which is exploitative and selfish], and all other practices are in line with fair and moral principles

It enjoins an obligatory charity to the poor [and emphasises the giving of optional charity] so the poor continue to get support from the rich and unfair greedy practices such as monopolising the countries wealth in the hands of a few will be prohibbited too I think... also seeking the bounty of ALlah [i.e earning money/wealth] is considered to be a means for assisting the common good [such as giving in charity and helping the cause of Gods religion etc,] and living a modest life hence profits is not seen as the end all and be all of buisness

hope this helps
 
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Was Jesus the onle Prophet who did not marry some Christians use this to say he must God or God's son because he was the only Prophet who did not marry but is it true that Mary in the Quuran never married too ?
 
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Christians don't say Jesus must be God or God's son because he did not marry ...

There is no Quranic mention of Mary's life after Jesus...
 
Does the Quran talk about the Christian idea of the Trinity being false thank you ?

Does the Quran talk about the Christian idea of the Trinity being false thank you ?
 
I have met Christians who use the Virgin Birth of Jesus from his Mother Mary as proof

I have met Christians who use the Virgin Birth of Jesus from his Mother Mary as proof that Jesus is God or God the Son does Islam give a reason for the Virgin Birth also I have read that the Virgin Birth was like the creation Adam and Eve also is the Virgin Birth like the other Miracles like Moses and the Red Sea also does the Quran give the reason why God can't become Human or become a Man or come down to this Planet Earth ? Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions.
 
Does Islam believe non Muslims are Atheists since they believe in false gods and reje

Does Islam believe non Muslims are Atheists since they believe in false gods and reject the true God and his Prophets ?
 
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truthseeker63 said:
Was Jesus the onle Prophet who did not marry some Christians use this to say he must God or God's son because he was the only Prophet who did not marry but is it true that Mary in the Quuran never married too ?
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so a single man is a quality of God?

Christianity just got weirder and weirder and illogical and downright absurd.
 
Does the Quran talk about the Christian Trinity is it called Pagan or at least called

Does the Quran talk about the Christian Trinity is it called Pagan or at least called false ?
 
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truthseeker63 said:
does the Quran give the reason why God can't become Human or become a Man or come down to this Planet Earth ? Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions.
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QS. Al - Ikhlas:

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Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One,
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Allah , the Eternal Refuge.

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He neither begets nor is born,

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Nor is there to Him any equivalent."
 
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truthseeker63 said:
Does the Quran talk about the Christian Trinity is it called Pagan or at least called false ?
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“Surely, disbelievers are those who said: ‘Allaah is the third of the three (in a Trinity).’ But there is no Ilaah (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilaah (God —Allaah). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall on the disbelievers among them”
[al-Maa'idah 5:73]



“Surely, in disbelief are they who say that Allaah is the Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary)”​
[al-Maa'idah 5:17]



“And the Jews say: ‘Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allaah, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allaah. That is their saying with their mouths, resembling the saying of those who disbelieved aforetime. Allaah’s Curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth!
They (Jews and Christians) took their rabbis and their monks to be their lords besides Allaah (by obeying them in things which they made lawful or unlawful according to their own desires without being ordered by Allaah), and (they also took as their Lord) Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary), while they (Jews and Christians) were commanded [in the Tawraat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] to worship none but One Ilaah (God — Allaah) Laa ilaaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He). Praise and glory be to Him (far above is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him)”
[al-Tawbah 9:31]



“O people of the Scripture (Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allaah aught but the truth. The Messiah ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allaah and His Word, (‘Be’ — and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Rooh) created by Him; so believe in Allaah and His Messengers. Say not: ‘Three!’ Cease! (it is) better for you”​
[al-Nisa’ 4:171]
 
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truthseeker63 said:
does Islam give a reason for the Virgin Birth
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The virgin birth was a miracle ,but hold on such miracle and alone won't make sense unless supported by (talking in the cradle miracle)

Holy Quran [19:27] She came to her family, carrying him. They said, "O Mary, you have committed something that is totally unexpected. [19:28] "O descendant of Aaron, your father was not a bad man, nor was your mother unchaste." [19:29] She pointed to him. They said, "How can we talk with an infant in the crib?" [19:30] (The infant spoke and) said, "I am a servant of GOD. He has given me the scripture, and has appointed me a prophet. [19:31] "He hath made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and hath enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive."

If it was only virgin pregnancy then any adulterer woman can be pregnant and claims that the child is through a miracle ,so the talking in the cradle was very neccesary ..... and that is why I think the Quranic text if far superior and more convincing than the biblical .....

truthseeker63 said:
does the Quran give the reason why God can't become Human or become a Man or come down to this Planet Earth ?
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well, as I said before ..let's just don't say God can or God can't
let's say God is or God isn't

Is he the christian trinity? if not why not? Was the man Jesus who lived 2000 years ago ,God the almighty ?

it is big issue and I tried to answer that question (partially) from a muslim point of view ,there
http://www.islamicboard.com/compara...ative-study-arranged-items-6.html#post1329752

still 4 posts related to the topic to settle it completely....
 
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Al-manar said:
The virgin birth was a miracle ,but hold on such miracle and alone won't make sense unless supported by (talking in the cradle miracle)

Holy Quran [19:27] She came to her family, carrying him. They said, "O Mary, you have committed something that is totally unexpected. [19:28] "O descendant of Aaron, your father was not a bad man, nor was your mother unchaste." [19:29] She pointed to him. They said, "How can we talk with an infant in the crib?" [19:30] (The infant spoke and) said, "I am a servant of GOD. He has given me the scripture, and has appointed me a prophet. [19:31] "He hath made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and hath enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I remain alive."

If it was only virgin pregnancy then any adulterer woman can be pregnant and claims that the child is through a miracle ,so the talking in the cradle was very neccesary ..... and that is why I think the Quranic text if far superior and more convincing than the biblical .....



well, as I said before ..let's just don't say God can or God can't
let's say God is or God isn't

Is he the christian trinity? if not why not? Was the man Jesus who lived 2000 years ago ,God the almighty ?

it is big issue and I tried to answer that question (partially) from a muslim point of view ,there
http://www.islamicboard.com/compara...ative-study-arranged-items-6.html#post1329752

still 4 posts related to the topic to settle it completely....
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While the virgin Birth was a miracle, there have been and continue to be quasi virgin births. Quasi virginal in the sense that no sexual activity took place, but not true virginal birth as a man was involved. ie;Artificial insemination, semi artificial insemination through heavy sex play not involving actual intercourse, etc.

So I agree it did require the speaking of a baby to verify it was a true miracle.
 

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