a Turkish Islamic scholar recently said that women from the gulen movement cemaat could be used as slaves, or "those whom their right hands possess" he was fired, but it has already done its damage....im sick and tired of the dysfunction of the muslim world, and how so many people support President Erdogan and those who persecute hizmet, among other tyrants.......the damage is done, I'm leaving islam, and am thinking of finding a new religion.....if you want to dissuade me, you can try, I'm curious how youll defend this, but it probably wont do any good.....
Turkish Islamic scholar says Gulenist women can be used as sex slaves
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because of the fact that the vast majority of the sunni muslim world supports president Erdogan, who is a dictator abusing the people I love....
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What if I told you that as a Muslim and human being you are in your rights to disagree with a scholar's ruling.
A scholar is a human like you and I, as such is fallible and prone to error. The scholar is grossly mistaken in this case.
A scholar is a human like you and I, as such is fallible and prone to error. The scholar is grossly mistaken in this case.
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it's not just that....it's the dysfunctional nature of the entire muslim world that makes me want to leave.....
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Don't let people make you leave Islam.
because the vast majority of (sunni) muslims support a firaun like figure who rules turkey (Erdogan) and the fact that they support him and cheer him on, when he is oppressing my country and my cemaat, makes them guilty by association, and if I continue to be amongst them, I will ALSO be guilty of asssociation
then why do the vast majority of muslims support this firaun like figure? (president Erdogan) it's not just a small minority
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How does what everyone else is doing effect you or what your relationship is with Allah.
So your going to give up your relationship with Allah because of other people.
Brother if all of us had these types of thoughts there wouldnt be no muslims left in the world.
There arw brothers and sisters being bombed, chemical attacks loosing their homes, muslims in the west are persecuted, muslims in china are treated like dirt & killed, muslims are killed in parts of Africa just for being a MUSLIM
You leave islam how will you help those you love by making dua, you turn your back on Allah then Allah will turn His back on you
How old are you ?
I'm not referring to crimes against muslims committed by the kuffar....im referring to crimes against muslims committed by muslims...... and I am 17
ok.....ill stay........
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you have to remember, no scholar, Muslim, or shaykh is infallible. They'll make mistakes, etc.
Alhamdulillah, may Allah strengthen your faith, and make you rely on Him alone. Ameen.
Allahu alam.
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There are also muslim on muslim crimes eg Syria, Somalia, Iraq, etc
So what about them, what makes it that you would leave Islam over "your" people but not these other atrocities ?
Do you understand my point ?
Your still young i dont know how much you know about islam & tbh i dont know anything about this gulen movement people (ie what theyre upon, and their ideology) tbh i dont care (not in a rude way), I follow what i know is right and the scholars i know will give the truth even if people hate them for it,
Like im sick and tired of all this division from muslims "oh im so and so and i follow so and so" [emoji58] all this unnecessary claiming groups or movements is just headaches.
Why am i here having to always google who people are, why cant people just say they are muslims recite their shahada and done. End of. Oh wait we have IDIOTS hijacking our religion !!!!
You even stating to leave Islam is not a small thing, you do understand this right ?
What are you going to say to Allah on the day of judgement as to why you turned your back on your deen ? < think about this
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And you think about wether your answer right now would ever be valid in the sight of Allah.
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Brother, you're going to leave Islam over the words of what an Islamic scholar said? Would you then agree to me to killing myself because a person on a site once said I should kill myself because I didn't support Daesh?
In the grand scheme of things, why does this Islamic scholar matter to you than all the other scholars who would condemn his evil words?
Brother, Islamic scholars are human beings and regarded in Islam as such; they are not considered perfect human beings nor are their words considered perfect. Some of these scholars are megalomaniacs and you should believe that Allah will deal with scholars who are unjust in either word or deed as befits Allah's Majesty.
Also, you cannot harm Allah whether you to choose to stay or leave Islam. Yet you do harm yourself if you leave Islam and Allah. Do you not hope to gain here and hereafter?
How can you give more importance to a human being's words than Allah's, brother? Is your iman (faith) so low that you must hold it to the hostage to the tongues of irresponsible persons whether they be Islamic scholars or rulers or ordinary persons? All our homes, true homes, are the graves. The Islamic scholar will lay in the grave the same way as a ruler of a country and the ruler of the country will lay in the grave the same way as the factory worker.
Reflect on your death. Death is a reality no one can escapes.
Trials and tribulations in the world are temporary. Hereafter is forever.
What is more important to you? Allah? Or this Islamic scholar? If this Islamic scholar is more important, then leave Islam. If Allah is more important, then fight the injustice of that Islamic scholar by showing how wrong his words are. YOUR choice. Choose wisely.
Brother, you're going to leave Islam over the words of what an Islamic scholar said? Would you then agree to me to killing myself because a person on a site once said I should kill myself because I didn't support Daesh?
In the grand scheme of things, why does this Islamic scholar matter to you than all the other scholars who would condemn his evil words?
Brother, Islamic scholars are human beings and regarded in Islam as such; they are not considered perfect human beings nor are their words considered perfect. Some of these scholars are megalomaniacs and you should believe that Allah will deal with scholars who are unjust in either word or deed as befits Allah's Majesty.
Also, you cannot harm Allah whether you to choose to stay or leave Islam. Yet you do harm yourself if you leave Islam and Allah. Do you not hope to gain here and hereafter?
How can you give more importance to a human being's words than Allah's, brother? Is your iman (faith) so low that you must hold it to the hostage to the tongues of irresponsible persons whether they be Islamic scholars or rulers or ordinary persons? All our homes, true homes, are the graves. The Islamic scholar will lay in the grave the same way as a ruler of a country and the ruler of the country will lay in the grave the same way as the factory worker.
Reflect on your death. Death is a reality no one can escapes.
Trials and tribulations in the world are temporary. Hereafter is forever.
What is more important to you? Allah? Or this Islamic scholar? If this Islamic scholar is more important, then leave Islam. If Allah is more important, then fight the injustice of that Islamic scholar by showing how wrong his words are. YOUR choice. Choose wisely.
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ive already decided to stay......:bism:
Brother, you're going to leave Islam over the words of what an Islamic scholar said? Would you then agree to me to killing myself because a person on a site once said I should kill myself because I didn't support Daesh?
In the grand scheme of things, why does this Islamic scholar matter to you than all the other scholars who would condemn his evil words?
Brother, Islamic scholars are human beings and regarded in Islam as such; they are not considered perfect human beings nor are their words considered perfect. Some of these scholars are megalomaniacs and you should believe that Allah will deal with scholars who are unjust in either word or deed as befits Allah's Majesty.
Also, you cannot harm Allah whether you to choose to stay or leave Islam. Yet you do harm yourself if you leave Islam and Allah. Do you not hope to gain here and hereafter?
How can you give more importance to a human being's words than Allah's, brother? Is your iman (faith) so low that you must hold it to the hostage to the tongues of irresponsible persons whether they be Islamic scholars or rulers or ordinary persons? All our homes, true homes, are the graves. The Islamic scholar will lay in the grave the same way as a ruler of a country and the ruler of the country will lay in the grave the same way as the factory worker.
Reflect on your death. Death is a reality no one can escapes.
Trials and tribulations in the world are temporary. Hereafter is forever.
What is more important to you? Allah? Or this Islamic scholar? If this Islamic scholar is more important, then leave Islam. If Allah is more important, then fight the injustice of that Islamic scholar by showing how wrong his words are. YOUR choice. Choose wisely.
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I'm glad, brother. That said, I strongly advise you to correct in yourself what first made you contemplate leaving Islam.
What if tomorrow you hear a worse news coming from Turkey? Will you again talk about leaving Islam?
That which made you contemplate leaving is the first thing to which you have to make peace, which is that human beings on earth are currently due to the influence of shaitaan saying and doing unIslamic stuff in this world. It doesn't take away from the perfection of Islam, but it does mean that we have to be vigilant about our own iman (faith) as Muslims and realize our allegiance is first and foremost and only to Allah and Prophet :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) and as such repel every tsunami of badness and evil coming our way with God-consciousness, goodness, and patience.
Trust only in God. And leave all affairs of all countries and all human beings to Allah. Allah knows who is doing what and will deal with everyone sooner (here) or later (hereafter).
I'm glad, brother. That said, I strongly advise you to correct in yourself what first made you contemplate leaving Islam.
What if tomorrow you hear a worse news coming from Turkey? Will you again talk about leaving Islam?
That which made you contemplate leaving is the first thing to which you have to make peace, which is that human beings on earth are currently due to the influence of shaitaan saying and doing unIslamic stuff in this world. It doesn't take away from the perfection of Islam, but it does mean that we have to be vigilant about our own iman (faith) as Muslims and realize our allegiance is first and foremost and only to Allah and Prophet :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) and as such repel every tsunami of badness and evil coming our way with God-consciousness, goodness, and patience.
Trust only in God. And leave all affairs of all countries and all human beings to Allah. Allah knows who is doing what and will deal with everyone sooner (here) or later (hereafter).
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