'UK Islamists creating no-go areas'

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Islamic extremism in Britain is creating communities which are "no-go areas" for non-Muslims, a senior Church of England bishop warns.

Bishop of Rochester The Rt Rev Dr Michael Nazir-Ali says non-Muslims face a hostile reception in places dominated by the ideology of Islamic radicals.

He criticises the doctrine of multiculturalism for creating separate communities which fail to integrate in to the mainstream of society.

In a wide-ranging attack, Bishop Nazir-Ali compares intimidation by Muslim radicals to that by far-Right extremists

Writing for The Sunday Telegraph, he condemns the failure to give privilege to the established church which he says has led to a "multi-faith mish-mash".

He says the integration agenda pursued by the government "lacks...a moral and spiritual vision."

Dr Nazir-Ali questions whether elements of Sharia law are applicable in Britain and confronts directly the use of loudspeakers on mosques to spread the call to prayer.

He writes: "...there has been a worldwide resurgence of the ideology of Islamic extremism. One of the results of this has been to further alienate the young from the nation in which they were growing up and also to turn already separate communities into "no-go" areas where adherence to this ideology has become a mark of acceptability."

Shadow home secretary Tory David Davis said the Government's actions risked creating a "voluntary apartheid".

He said: "Bishop Nazir-Ali has drawn attention to a deeply serious problem. The Government's confused and counter-productive approach risks creating a number of closed societies instead of one open, cohesive one - a voluntary apartheid. It generates the risk of encouraging radicalisation and creating home-grown terrorism."



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[ricardo_sousa]

the far-right is on the rise in Europe and this notices only serve to "fuel" that rise. It is like before the rise of Nazism in Germany, but in that time the "public enemy" was Zionism.

 

[Fishman]

Who can a Christian who probably supports the use of church bells complain about the Adhan?

And this 'no-go areas' stuff is a load of twaddle. In all areas of Britain at least half the residents are white and Christian or atheist. And that is only in extreme cases. Ususally the proportion of native British is a lot greater than that. Areas with a lot of Muslims in Britian are multi-ethinic, not Muslim-majority. Far-right fascists speak out their butts. They aught to be kept out the country, not immigrants. Immigrants have brought diversity and culture to Britian. All the fascists brought was air raids...

 

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Far-right fascists speak out their butts

i could say the same for the majority of the comments made on the news page i got this... the ignorance of those simply brand ALL muslims as extremist.. in the past i used to reply to the comments but now.. i take the view that there is no point in argueing with people who take such ignorant views. - you have to click the view comments box to se it Source : http://news.aol.co.uk/uk-islamists-creating-no-go-areas/article/20080105225909990003
i would like to know from Atheist/Christians/agnostics living in england how they feel about this article and also the comments made by the people on the news page regarding this article.

 

[Amadeus85]

Brittons must pay the price of the multiculturalism ideology.

 

[Fishman]

Brittons must pay the price of the multiculturalism ideology.

And reap the much greater benefits to gain an overall profit!

 

[Amadeus85]

And reap the much greater benefits to gain an overall profit!

It depends how you look at it.We both know that we have very different opinions about this multiculti ideology.I just think that it must be shameful for the Britons not to be able to go in some areas in their own country.

 

[Jayda]

the bishop is right that the established Church must be given precedence. the Holy Father is right that the established Church must come back into full communion with Rome if it is ever to rightfully call itself a Church again.

i hate britain... there are these people, they are like the british equivalent of trailer trash... i think they called themselves chaves or chaffs or something to that effect... and they basically exist to harass girls. everywhere i go and i run across these people they are trying to offer me drugs or they are saying perverted things.

i don't know about areas where christians may not go... i would not challenge a bishop... but the only thing i experienced even remotely in that vein was when a pakistani gang approached me and said some intimidating things. i know most pakistanis in britain are muslims... but i don't think it was religiously or ethnically motivated... they were just looking for somebody to harass.

such are young boys' hobbies when they are not in school...

i vaguely recall some dreadful man with a hook, who i think was a british imam... he used to say some outrageous things about britain and about christianity.

 

[Uthman]

I read a similar article on the BBC News website.

Reading between the lines, it seems to me that he is worried about the threat to the country's Christian identity.

Something for this thread.

 

[Fishman]

It depends how you look at it.We both know that we have very different opinions about this multiculti ideology.I just think that it must be shameful for the Britons not to be able to go in some areas in their own country.

Yes. It would be shameful for Britons to not be able to go into different areas of their country. But that doesn't actually happen. There are only one or two towns with a non-white majority, let alone a Muslim majority. Some streets are heavily Muslim, but these are rare, rather like Chinatowns. There are certainly no areas like that in my city, they are only found in London, a huge capital city with many ethinc enclaves for many different minorities, and in other big conurbations such as Birmingham.

Nazir Ali's father is an apostate from Islam, so I would expect Nazir Ali to be excessively critical. All 'ex' people are.

 

[Jayda]

I read a similar article on the BBC News website.

Reading between the lines, it seems to me that he is worried about the threat to the country's Christian identity.

Something for this thread.

si,

i don't think he concealed that... i would hope that he is concerned about the country's Christian identity... it's the responsibility of a bishop to look out for the flock. 'multiculturalism' in the sense of other religions isn't (as far as i'm aware) a Christian moral... it's a secular one. i would expect Christian leaders to be concerned and to want to do something about it.

in an ethical manner... it seems like people are permanently incapable of staying away from extremes... it is either a religious free for all or you are burned as a heretic... neither of which are Christian.

que Dios te bendiga

 

[Uthman]

Here is the BBC article:

Bishop warns of 'Islamic areas'

A Church of England bishop has said Islamic extremism has turned some communities into no-go areas for people of a different faith or race.

The Bishop of Rochester, the Right Reverend Dr Michael Nazir-Ali, said non-Muslims may find it difficult to live or work in some places.

He said there was "hostility" in those areas and described the government's multicultural policies as divisive.

Muslims and some politicians have accused the bishop of scaremongering. But other politicians agreed with the bishop - saying he had highlighted a real problem.

'Christian cause'

Writing in the Sunday Telegraph, Dr Nazir-Ali said there had been a worldwide resurgence of Islamic extremism, leading to young people growing up alienated from the country they live in.

Not only locally, but at the national level also the establishment of the Church of England is being eroded

Dr Michael Nazir-Ali
Bishop of Rochester

Profile: Michael Nazir-Ali

It had also turned "already separate communities into 'no-go' areas".

He said there had been attempts to "impose an 'Islamic' character on certain areas", for example, by amplifying the call to prayer from mosques.

The Muslim Council of Britain said the mosque call was no different from church bells ringing.

Naved Siddiqi, of the Islamic Society of Britain, said: "It seems like Dr Nazir-Ali is really looking for someone else to blame for the declining church attendances in Britain, and aims fire at another faith group."

He added: "As for these 'no-go' areas, Dr Nazir-Ali hasn't named one that we can assess, and nor can I.

"Yes, there will be many spots of social deprivation but these cut across ethnicity and faith, so religion doesn't come into it."

If there is no evidence he can put forward then it boils down to simple scaremongering

Ibrahim Mogra
Muslim Council of Britain

Dr Nazir-Ali warned of a multi-faith "mish mash" as the government promotes its integration policy. He said it was "an agenda which still lacks the underpinning of a moral and spiritual vision".

He said the role of chaplains in such places as hospitals, prisons and educational establishments was in jeopardy "either because of financial cuts or because the authorities want 'multi-faith' provision, without regard to the distinctively Christian character of the nation's laws, values, customs and culture".

"Not only locally, but at the national level also the establishment of the Church of England is being eroded," Dr Nazir-Ali said.

He added: "If it had not been for the black majority churches and the recent arrival of people from central and eastern Europe, the Christian cause in many of our cities would have looked a lost one."

'Gross caricature'

The new leader of the Liberal Democrats, Nick Clegg, was highly critical of the bishop's claims, describing them as "a gross caricature of reality".

He told Sky News: "I strongly disagree with him. I don't think he has produced any evidence that there are really no-go areas - that is an extraordinarily inflammatory way of putting it."

He added: "Clearly there is a legitimate debate to be had there, because of the rise of extremism, particularly for young men in these communities."

But Conservative home affairs spokesman David Davis said the bishop had rightly drawn attention to a "deeply serious problem".

He said: "The government's confused and counter-productive approach risks creating a number of closed societies instead of one open cohesive one."

We need to keep this issue in its proper context

Communities and Local Government spokesman

He said Labour's support for multiculturalism risked creating a situation of "voluntary apartheid".

A Communities and Local Government spokesperson said: "We need to keep this issue in its proper context.

"The overwhelming majority of Muslims are peaceful, make a huge contribution to British life and find the views of a small minority of violent extremists completely abhorrent. Britain also has a proud tradition of different communities living together side by side.

"But we are not complacent - the government has completely rebalanced its community cohesion strategy putting far greater emphasis on promoting integration and shared British values (as the Bishop acknowledges in his article)."

Scaremongering

The Muslim youth organisation The Ramadhan Foundation said it was disturbed at the bishop's comments and urged him to step down, saying it was against the tolerant teachings of the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams.

Ibrahim Mogra, of the Muslim Council of Britain's inter-faith relations committee, described the bishop's comments as "alarming".
He said: "If there is no evidence he can put forward then it boils down to simple scaremongering.

"It is very worrying if parts of our country become no-go areas for anybody, and it is not acceptable.

"To suggest that a handful of people are beginning to create such areas where nobody else can go unless they are Muslim needs evidence to back such claims."

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[Jayda]

Yes. It would be shameful for Britons to not be able to go into different areas of their country. But that doesn't actually happen. There are only one or two towns with a non-white majority, let alone a Muslim majority. Some streets are heavily Muslim, but these are rare, rather like Chinatowns. There are certainly no areas like that in my city, they are only found in London, a huge capital city with many ethinc enclaves for many different minorities, and in other big conurbations such as Birmingham.

Nazir Ali's father is an apostate from Islam, so I would expect Nazir Ali to be excessively critical. All 'ex' people are.

hola Fishman,

out of curiosity why did you draw the line between whites (ethnicity) and muslims (religion)?

que Dios te bendiga

 

[Jayda]

lol... a christian bishop says something about muslims and the muslims and liberals respond rejecting it entirely and demand that it is all slander, while the conservatives and christians respond embracing it wholly and demanding it is just the tip of the iceberg.

politics as usual...

 

[Uthman]

Greetings Jayda,

i don't think he concealed that...

Good point. You're right, I don't suppose he did conceal it.

I think I agree with the rest of your post as well. If this country had a Muslim majority, I think I would want that to be preserved.

It's just some of the things that the Bishop said that I disagree with.

Regards.

 

[Fishman]

i hate britain... there are these people, they are like the british equivalent of trailer trash... i think they called themselves chaves or chaffs or something to that effect... and they basically exist to harass girls. everywhere i go and i run across these people they are trying to offer me drugs or they are saying perverted things.

Those are called 'chavs'. They are inspired by American hip-hop and gansta culture, and think of themselves as 'G's and the like. They are basically stupid kids with nothing better to do than to be generally antisocial. It is not true that they exist to harass girls, athough they do think it is fun. Most true chavs are actually female. They hang around in crowds around a male chav and like nothing better than swearing, gossiping, somking and listening to rap music. Male chavs are rarer, but they are more dangerous as they are very stupid and agressive.

 

[Fishman]

hola Fishman,

out of curiosity why did you draw the line between whites (ethnicity) and muslims (religion)?

que Dios te bendiga

There are white Muslims, (I am one) but they are demographically insignificant. There are only a few thousand. In this context, when I said Muslims I meant born Muslims.

 

[Jayda]

Greetings Jayda,



Good point. You're right, I don't suppose he did conceal it.

I think I agree with the rest of your post as well. If this country had a Muslim majority, I think I would want that to be preserved.

It's just some of the things that the Bishop said that I disagree with.

Regards.

si, i would imagine so... you are a muslim, not a Christian nobody says you have to agree with him! i just don't like how all of a sudden everybody is judging things based off of secular values... like we have all decided they are the common table. multiculturalism, tolerance et.c are such subjective terms and are often used to make 2000 years of Christian ethics seem like something only believed by 'marginal' 'extremists' ... it's an effort to line item veto aspects of the religion.

i see the same with respect to islam... if you think about the words 'fundamentalist' and 'extremist' they are essentially saying that on a fundamental level, or if you take islam to the extreme than you need to be in front of a camera with an AK47... that doesn't seem very fair does it?

obviously i'm not really concerned about islam... my concern is christianity, but i see that muslims experience the same bad publicity as a result of secular virtues that Christians do and in the interests of the truth i wish you all the best in resisting it

 

[Jayda]

Those are called 'chavs'. They are inspired by American hip-hop and gansta culture, and think of themselves as 'G's and the like. They are basically stupid kids with nothing better to do than to be generally antisocial. It is not true that they exist to harass girls, athough they do think it is fun. Most true chavs are actually female. They hang around in crowds around a male chav and like nothing better than swearing, gossiping, somking and listening to rap music. Male chavs are rarer, but they are more dangerous as they are very stupid and agressive.

si that is who i am talking about... these people are thoroughly ridiculous. they try to corner you and talk to you, and they always seem to be drinking or smoking (which are disgusting vices).

 

[Amadeus85]

Personally I am very critical about multiculturalism. This ideology (just like feminism or pacifism) was created by european marxists to destroy the christian soul of this continent. And sadly I must admit that their agenda is winning. Of course now we dont have choice, as europeans decided to walk the path of self destruction so we must embrace immigrants to work here.