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Fifteen British Navy personnel have been captured at gunpoint by Iranian forces, the Ministry of Defence says.
The men were seized at 1030 local time when they boarded a boat in the Gulf, off the coast of Iraq, which they suspected was smuggling cars.

The Royal Navy said the men, who were on a routine patrol in Iraqi waters, were understood to be unharmed.

The Foreign Office has demanded the immediate and safe return of the men, who are based on HMS Cornwall.

The frigate's commander, Commodore Nick Lambert, said he was hoping there had been a "simple mistake" over territorial waters.

"There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that they [British personnel] were in Iraqi territorial waters. Equally, the Iranians may claim they were in Iranian territorial waters.



"We may well find that this is a simple misunderstanding at the tactical level."

Helicopters had reported seeing two British boats being moved along the Shatt al-Arab waterway to Iranian bases and there had been no evidence of fighting, he added.

He said that despite scant communication, the 15 people were understood to be safe and had reacted in an "extremely professional way, in line with the rules of engagement".

"I look forward to seeing them on their return and congratulating them."

He said naval authorities were doing everything possible to ensure their safe return.

A Royal Navy spokesman at the ship's base in Devonport, Devon, said the families of those captured were not being informed yet, as they were all over Britain, and some may be on holiday.

The Ministry of Defence said: "The group boarding party had completed a successful inspection of a merchant ship when they and their two boats were surrounded and escorted by Iranian vessels into Iranian territorial waters.

"We are urgently pursuing this matter with the Iranian authorities at the highest level.

"The British government is demanding the immediate and safe return of our people and equipment."

The Iranian ambassador in London, Rasoul Movahedian, has met with officials at the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, after he was called there by Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett.

There has been no immediate response so far from Iran, where many ministries and official buildings were closed for a public holiday.

Shadow foreign secretary William Hague and Sir Menzies Campbell, leader of the Liberal Democrats, have both backed the call for the group's immediate and safe return.


The incident comes at a time of renewed tensions with Iran over its nuclear programme, which Western powers fear could be used to develop a nuclear weapon.

British Army Colonel Justin Maciejewski, who is based in Iraq, said most of the violence against UK forces in Basra is being engineered by Iranian elements.

Col Maciejewski said Iran was providing "sophisticated weaponry" to insurgents and "Iranian agents" were paying local men to attack British troops.

Iranian officials have in the past denied such claims.

In 2004, Iran detained eight British servicemen for three days after they allegedly strayed over the maritime border.

The UK claimed the men were "forcibly escorted" into Iranian territorial waters.

While they were being held, the men were paraded blindfold and made to apologise on Iranian TV before their release was agreed.

The BBC's diplomatic correspondent James Robbins said the difference this time is that the present Iranian government under President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was much more hardline.

"The political climate is worse with Britain among those confronting Iran over its controversial nuclear programme," he added.

Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6484279.stm
 
Iran Captures Navy! - Your Views?

Reports say 15 Royal Navy personnel seized at gunpoint in the Gulf by Iranian forces have been transferred to Tehran.

UK diplomats seeking an end to the dispute over the seizure have called for their immediate release.

The eight sailors and seven marines, who had been carrying out routine duties, are thought to be unharmed.

Source BBC

If the UK soldiers detained by Iran should be returned, then so should the Iranian liaison employees detained by the US on Jan 11th this year, whose fate still remains unknown.

Bet then again, recent events have shown that there are two sets of laws, one of which applies to people we like, and the other which applies to those we don't.

Some are saying this is a declaration of war. WELL BRING IT ON. OR RELEASE THE IRANIANS HELD FIRST!

Gur Fateh!
 
15 British soldiers held by Iran

When i first heard the report on the BBC, they where describing the incident as a kidnapping. I think not! Imagine if it was 15 iranian soldiers that where captured on british seas. What will it be deemed as. Surely Iran has the right to arrest these soldiers? What do you think?
 
This isn't something new. A similar incident occured in 2004, and more recently in August 2006 over a dispute over the Romanian Oil Rig. I suppose the Mullahs are pretty touchy about who is in their waters.
 
Haha - It's named ''THE PERSIAN GULF'' for a reason. You go snooping, you get caught. Simple. Wonder if they'll be paraded on TV like lastime.....
 
Haha - It's named ''THE PERSIAN GULF'' for a reason. You go snooping, you get caught. Simple. Wonder if they'll be paraded on TV like lastime.....

Like last time??
It's Iraqi waters they grabbed them from.. If anything happens to them they will be punished. If they aren't let go soon then I bet you a tenner the SAS will be in there.
 
Haha - It's named ''THE PERSIAN GULF'' for a reason. You go snooping, you get caught. Simple. Wonder if they'll be paraded on TV like lastime.....

They were inspecting a ship suspected of smuggling in Iraqi waters, as authorised by the UN mandate. The Iranians are just stirring up trouble again.


I bet you a tenner the SAS will be in there.

No chance. Far too risky (remember the fiasco when Delta tried it?) and for minimal reward. The Iranians will no doubt wish to parade them on TV and such for the benefit of the west-haters watching Al Jazeera, but they'll let them go eventually. Maybe they are gunning for the release of some of their agen.. sorry, 'diplomats', caught supporting Shi'a terrorist groups in Iraq.

The worry I have is what will happen in future. I have little doubt the sailors were under orders not to provoke trouble (they aren't there to start a war with Iran), but it wouldn't surprise me if it was made clear in no uncertain terms to the Iranians that next time they try such a stunt the bullets are likely to start flying.
 
I think I heard on the news that the soldiers confessed being in Iran??

Did they?
 
I think I heard on the news that the soldiers confessed being in Iran??

Did they?

Apparently an Iranian general "claims" that they admitted to being in Iranian territorial waters. Not quite the same thing!

BBC
 
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Ok, on a more serious note, if it was Iranian waters then they have the right to take these marines in. It's the law of the land and it doesn't matter who you are, or what country you serve. You break the law you have to pay the debt.

My two cents.

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The Bbc described it as a kidnapping. Ha wat a joke, if it was 15 iranian soldiers on the ports of dover, i wonder wat wud happen
 
The Bbc described it as a kidnapping. Ha wat a joke, if it was 15 iranian soldiers on the ports of dover, i wonder wat wud happen

But it wasn't... If it was 15 Iranian soldiers in the French waters then we would do nothing. Not our territory, not our problem.
 
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Ok, on a more serious note, if it was Iranian waters then they have the right to take these marines in. It's the law of the land and it doesn't matter who you are, or what country you serve. You break the law you have to pay the debt.

Quite true, if it was Iranian waters. If it wasn't, I take it you would agree that the Iranian state has broken that law, and is guilty of both piracy and kidnapping?

BTW, I see that the UN Security Council has unanimously agreed to further sanctions against Iran for refusing to cease their nuclear enrichment program.
 
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