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I Would like to ask "Whats te point of Arab/Islamic countries being members on the United Nations?" I guess not only Arab/Muslim countries but the majority of countries.

After world war 2 the creation of the U.N. by the U.S. and its European allies gave themselves the power of the veto.

Today i saw AGAIN the U.N. being unable to pass a resolution/statement even as once again vetoed by Isael's big brother (america).

If America was willing to go in to Iraq without a resolution them what give them the right to prevent once being pased.

The united states use the U.N. only when it benefits them (For example Iran) or Israel.

So why even bother with them ???
 
salaam

The best thing the UN does is humanitarian relief around the world.....but when it comes to stopping wars or mass murders around the world then forget them - they are powerless thanks to stupid Vetos.
 
Civilsed said:
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I Would like to ask "Whats te point of Arab/Islamic countries being members on the United Nations?" I guess not only Arab/Muslim countries but the majority of countries.

After world war 2 the creation of the U.N. by the U.S. and its European allies gave themselves the power of the veto.

Today i saw AGAIN the U.N. being unable to pass a resolution/statement even as once again vetoed by Isael's big brother (america).

If America was willing to go in to Iraq without a resolution them what give them the right to prevent once being pased.

The united states use the U.N. only when it benefits them (For example Iran) or Israel.

So why even bother with them ???
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It's not just Europe China and Russia also have a veto powers. Forcing all the world powers to agree and speak with a single voice allows stability I suppose.
 
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stability to the fat cats - it doesnt matter about the small nations - they just get slapped about.
 
Oh, other people disagree with me. ****, what is the point of the UN if everyone does not agree with me?
 
root said:
Oh, other people disagree with me. ****, what is the point of the UN if everyone does not agree with me?
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?? What are you on ??? The point is not agree or disagree. Its the power of veto being misused bu certain "power" to always favour one side regardless of events/evidence.
 
The U.S. vetoed the General Assembly because their resolution made no mention of Hamas' shared responsibility for the state of affairs we see today in Gaza.
 
Countries join the UN to have international presence, to raise the profile of their country. In practice, the UN acts as an advisory body only. Hence why Israel is ignoring every one made in relation to it's oppression upon Palestine. It's resolutions are no more than "recommendations". Any power that it may exert (such as military force by the security council) is influenced by the US. It's their own organisation disguised as an international body to legitimise their own objectives.
 
root said:
Oh, other people disagree with me. ****, what is the point of the UN if everyone does not agree with me?
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The point is valid. Major officials within the UN have expressed frustration with the US reflexively blocking resolutions with regards to Israel. The point of the UN is to have an international mechanism to prevent just such a crisis as this one. Is Hamas right to attack Israeli civilians? No. But is the inability of the UN to resolve this conflict and protect Palestinians from Israel's more draconian policies largely a result of the US blocking resolution with teeth with regards to Israel? Absolutely.
 
Keltoi said:
The U.S. vetoed the General Assembly because their resolution made no mention of Hamas' shared responsibility for the state of affairs we see today in Gaza.
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Hamas did not violate the Egyptian bokered ceasefire, Israel did, when it launched incursions into the West Bank and arbitrarily abducted any suspected Hamas members, especially MPs representing Hamas in the Palestinian Legislative Assembly.

One of the prinicpal stipulations of the agreement was the lifting of the embargo, not partially, but fully. It did not happen, and all that time other factions in Gaza e.g. Islamic Jihad were conscious of the fact that the repeated incursions and air strikers carried out in Gaza during the so called ceasefire were carefully orchestrated in order to draw an instantaneous response from one of the many factions in Gaza, and when that happened, Israel again obtained the pretext it needed to carry out it's atrocities with impunity.

Hamas has repeatedly called for an enduring truce, not recognition, but truce, in which the embargo is lifted, prisoners are freed, and Gazans can leave the besieged territory seeking medical treatment etc. This has been rejected flatly by israel and it's cronies in the west because they are bent on instating the kind of subservient leadership in the West Bank.

These are facts that need to be carefully considered before adopting the duplicitous american and israeli arguements that ascribe the blame to Hamas.
 
nocturnal said:
Hamas did not violate the Egyptian bokered ceasefire, Israel did, when it launched incursions into the West Bank and arbitrarily abducted any suspected Hamas members, especially MPs representing Hamas in the Palestinian Legislative Assembly.

One of the prinicpal stipulations of the agreement was the lifting of the embargo, not partially, but fully. It did not happen, and all that time other factions in Gaza e.g. Islamic Jihad were conscious of the fact that the repeated incursions and air strikers carried out in Gaza during the so called ceasefire were carefully orchestrated in order to draw an instantaneous response from one of the many factions in Gaza, and when that happened, Israel again obtained the pretext it needed to carry out it's atrocities with impunity.

Hamas has repeatedly called for an enduring truce, not recognition, but truce, in which the embargo is lifted, prisoners are freed, and Gazans can leave the besieged territory seeking medical treatment etc. This has been rejected flatly by israel and it's cronies in the west because they are bent on instating the kind of subservient leadership in the West Bank.

These are facts that need to be carefully considered before adopting the duplicitous american and israeli arguements that ascribe the blame to Hamas.
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Great Point. Do you know any reports documenting the agreement and various violations by parties?
 
U.S wonders why Muslims hate them so much...

When rest of the world is calling for end to the fight, they are still supporting the Israelis.
 
nocturne said:
U.S wonders why Muslims hate them so much...

When rest of the world is calling for end to the fight, they are still supporting the Israelis.
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The U.S. called for a cease-fire yesterday, but yes Israel still has U.S. support. The issue is that the U.S. considers a cease-fire to include Hamas...imagine that.
 
Keltoi said:
The U.S. called for a cease-fire yesterday, but yes Israel still has U.S. support. The issue is that the U.S. considers a cease-fire to include Hamas...imagine that.
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Peace be with you Keltoi,

First point is exactly that, U.S called for a cease fire yesterday 10 days after this massacre has begun, allowing israel the opportunity to do what they want. The U.S. has vetoed any resolution on Israel and those it has not are not enforce.

But the double standards is the issue. The U.S. went to war in Iraq using UN resolutions ????? but resolution on Israel are not enfored therefore not giving them (U.S. and U.N) any credibility.

You say the U.S. Supports Israel. My question to you is, why? Is this because of Power in the region at whatever cost to life, or this Christian belief that has started in america (The end timers)? or CUFI (Christians United for Israel) I do NOT believe the Jesus (AS) you approve of the massacre, however you try to justify it.

Further more are Americans aware of the history of Israel and that REAL jews (not zionists) are against the state of Israel - Using the Holy scriptures?
 
Civilsed said:
Peace be with you Keltoi,

But the double standards is the issue. The U.S. went to war in Iraq using UN resolutions ????? but resolution on Israel are not enfored therefore not giving them (U.S. and U.N) any credibility.
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The U.S. went to Iraq with U.N. Security Council resolutions. Not votes of the General Assembly.

Civilsed said:
You say the U.S. Supports Israel. My question to you is, why? Is this because of Power in the region at whatever cost to life, or this Christian belief that has started in america (The end timers)? or CUFI (Christians United for Israel) I do NOT believe the Jesus (AS) you approve of the massacre, however you try to justify it.
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It has very little or nothing to do with religion. Israel is a long time U.S. ally, dating back to the Cold War. The enemies of Israel are in large part the enemies of the United States. The U.S. has no sympathy for Hamas or Hezbollah. Anything Israel does to weaken these entities will be supported by the U.S. The issue is civilian deaths, which the U.S. has pushed Israel to try harder to avoid.
Civilsed said:
Further more are Americans aware of the history of Israel and that REAL jews (not zionists) are against the state of Israel - Using the Holy scriptures?
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As I said, the U.S. support for Israel is based on foreign policy pragmatism much more than any religious concern.