US Army Trains Soldiers to Shoot Women and Children!!!

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[PIE]Teenage U.S. deserter flees to Ottawa before Iraq posting
Second deserter settled in the city by Canadian group
Last Updated: Friday, July 6, 2007 | 10:38 AM ET
CBC News


A U.S. military deserter has applied for refugee status after fleeing to Ottawa from a military base in Virginia before he could be posted to Iraq.

Ross Spears, 19, arrived in the city about three weeks ago after nine months in basic training during which he decided he could not support the war in Iraq.

‘At that point I was just like, “This war is wrong.”‘— Ross Spears

Spears said he signed up when he was 18 and believed he had to do his part for his country against the “terrorists over there.”

But he began having doubts three days into basic training.

“The cadences they made us sing were … ‘I went to the playground where all the children play; pulled out my Uzi and I began to spray,’” he said.

Spears said he signed up to be a truck driver, but was trained to kill using practice targets shaped like women in burqas with bazookas on their shoulders.


“And just the way they talked about going over there and killing people that made it seem like it was … hunting animals or something, hunting deer,” he said.

Months later, he was told he was going to Iraq.

He asked his commanders for conscientious objector status, which would allow him to leave the army for reasons of conscience.

“At that point I was just like, ‘This war is wrong,’” he said.

His commanders responded by binding his hands and roughing him up as discipline, he said.

Spears fled to Toronto, where he sought help from a Canadian group called the War Resister Support Campaign that has helped other U.S. deserters.

The group told him that resources were getting thin in Toronto, so they sent him to Ottawa.

There, he was welcomed into the home of Bob and Linda Stevenson.

Spears’s lawyer Kourosh Farrokhzhad, who has been helping the former soldier build his refugee case, said he hopes Canada will fulfill its obligation to protect people who are wrongfully persecuted for their beliefs.

“These individuals who are conscientious objectors had their requests, to be seen as such, constantly thwarted by the U.S. military to the point where they were forced to engage in what is arguably an illegal war in Iraq,” he said.

Spears is the second U.S. deserter settled in Ottawa by the War Resister Support Campaign. The first was 22-year-old James Burmeister.

So, do you still believe that your troops are in Iraq fighting for their liberation from a brutal dictator or is it that they are still looking for Weapons of Mass Destruction? Or for the spread of democracy so these people can be “freed” from the shackles of ruthless “Islamic” dictatorships so it can be replaced by the new slogan, “I will free you, or else I am going to have to kill you!”

This reminds me of what one of the Fox toadies said on his program about Iraq before Bush was re-elected, “We’re going to go over there (Iraq) and we are going to cram democracy down their throats, and if they choke on it, then good!”

Wake up America! Your children, who feel they join the army out of a patriotic duty to serve their country are fleeing because they don’t want to kill women and children. They are seeking refugee status in Canada because they fear that they will be persecuted for the beliefs that killing women and children is wrong!

As Muslims, we know the Prophet (salallaahu alayhee wa salam) forbade the killing of women, children, elderely, and non-combatants, he even forbade the chopping down of trees (unless there was a use)! May Allaah save the Muslims and the innocents from the neo-crusaders, aameen.[/PIE]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2007/07/06/ot-deserter-spears-070706.html?ref=rss#skip300x250

http://canadianmuhaajir.wordpress.com/2007/07/11/us-army-trains-soldiers-to-shoot-women-and-children/
 
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A deserter flees! World News? :confused:

And he has bad things to say. :hiding:

How devistating can this be? The US will surly crumble. :offended:

Spears said he signed up to be a truck driver, but was trained to kill using practice targets shaped like women in burqas with bazookas on their shoulders.
What should you do it some one points a bazooka at you? Go do a gender check?

As Muslims, we know the Prophet (salallaahu alayhee wa salam) forbade the killing of women, children, elderely, and non-combatants, he even forbade the chopping down of trees (unless there was a use)
This seams to be a message you need to give to the Iraq Muslims. They are the ones killing the vast majority of Muslims.
 
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Spears said he signed up to be a truck driver, but was trained to kill using practice targets shaped like women in burqas with bazookas on their shoulders.

This is just so stupid. Firstly, every soldier is first and formost a soldier. It does not matter if your a Doctor, Cook, or in this case a driver. That's the whole point of basic training in that you are a soldier first then you are a truck driver.

Seems to me this coward is talking out of his rear end..................

Another point of issue is that burqas don't mean it's a woman, I don't care if the target is 6 years old whilst they pointing an RPG it's them or me and I don't opt for the latter. Additionally, this is militia we could be talking about. The unwritten rule in ALL armed forces with regard to militia.

Expect no quarter, give no quarter

Average militia, terrorist or whatever u wanna call em ain't signatories to the Geneva Convention period.
 
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I found this article to be somewhat contrary to what the article above represents.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20070807/ts_csm/aatrocity

Is military justice in Iraq changing for the better? By Brad Knickerbocker Tue Aug 7, 4:00 AM ET


The wheels of American military justice seem to be turning as they should in Iraq, particularly given the extreme difficulties of urban combat against tough and sometimes suicidal insurgents blending in with the general population.

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In a series of cases involving the unlawful killing and abuse of Iraqi civilians, officers as well as enlisted soldiers and marines are being prosecuted and punished. The need to follow the Uniformed Code of Military Justice and the laws of war is being reemphasized in combat training down to the individual platoon level.

But the improvements in military justice come with some worrisome caveats as well, experts say: It took the highly publicized abuses at the Abu Ghraib prison to get the military's attention. The severity of punishment has been mixed, raising questions about the sympathy of military juries made up of fellow Iraq combat vets. And the length of the war, including multiple combat tours, plus the lowering of recruiting standards to meet manpower shortages, is adding to the stress and discipline problems that can lead to abuses.

"Based on a very incomplete picture of what's happening day to day in Iraq, it appears that there's much more attention to human rights and to the laws of war than, for example, in Vietnam or Korea," says military analyst Loren Thompson of the Lexington Institute in Arlington, Va.

At Camp Pendleton, Calif., on Friday, Marine Corps Sgt. Lawrence Hutchins III was sentenced to 15 years in prison and given a dishonorable discharge for organizing the kidnapping and killing of an Iraqi man in Hamdaniya last year. Six junior marines and a Navy petty officer involved in the case received lesser punishments.

On Saturday, one of the soldiers convicted of rape and murder in an attack on a 14-year-old Iraqi girl and her family in Mahmudiyah, about 20 miles south of Baghdad, was sentenced to 110 years in prison with parole possible after 10 years.

The case of 24 Iraqi civilians killed at Haditha in 2005 is approaching the court martial phase for a Marine staff sergeant and two lance corporals charged with murder. In that case, four officers, including the battalion commander, also are accused of failure to fully investigate the killings. The military equivalent of a grand jury proceeding this week will consider charges of dereliction of duty and violation of a lawful order against Lt. Col Jeffrey Chessani.

Later in the month, Army Lt. Col. Steven Jordan faces a general court-martial on charges that he failed to stop soldiers from abusing prisoners at Abu Ghraib. Meanwhile, a retired US Army lieutenant general has been censured in the friendly fire killing of Army Ranger Pat Tillman, and he could be demoted to two-star rank.

"In a perverse way, these courts martials are a sign of the vitality of the military justice system, the fact that it's working," says Gary Solis, a Vietnam combat veteran who went on to spend 20 years as a judge advocate and military judge in the Marine Corps before teaching laws of war at the US Military Academy at West Point. Abu Ghraib, he says, was an impetus to cracking down on the abuse of civilians. "All of the armed services, it seems to me, are facing the music and saying, 'Hey, if we're a nation of laws, if we're the good guys, we've got to take action.' "

Especially important, says Mr. Solis, is the prosecution and punishment of officers.

"Haditha for the Marine Corps is sending a ... message for battalion commanders that they cannot turn a blind eye for what may be war crimes," says Solis, who now teaches at Georgetown University. "You're not going to get attention paid until you start trying officers."

"I only wish it went higher," he adds.

Do veterans make for lenient jurors?
The Hamdaniya case, in which marines killed an Iraqi man and then made it look as if he had been an insurgent planting a roadside bomb, has raised questions about the appropriateness of punishment. Four of the seven men convicted were sentenced only to the time they had already served in the brig.

Some observers wonder whether that was because the jurors in those cases were made up largely (in some cases exclusively) of Iraq war veterans who had experienced first-hand the same kind of hostile environment.

"One person's jury that understands what it's like in Iraq is another person's jury that's too friendly," says Eugene Fidell, president of the National Institute of Military Justice.

"There is a tension there," says Mr. Fidell, a former Coast Guard lawyer. "No one seems to think that it makes no difference that the jury has had something of the same experience. No one seems to think that that's a neutral factor."

Just as the Vietnam war did a generation ago, the Iraq War is teaching a new cohort of military men and women hard lessons about fighting an enemy that doesn't hold to traditional means of combat in which soldiers in uniform primarily attacked one another. In particular, commanders of combat units are reexamining the "rules of engagement" – what to expect on a combat mission and what violent responses are permissible, especially in an urban setting.

Here, retired Army Col. Dan Smith sees a common thread to most of the abuse cases: the killing and wounding of US troops by roadside bombs, the greatest single cause of American casualties in Iraq.

"There is pure frustration, pure anger, pure rage because there is no one who is the obvious perpetrator," says Colonel Smith, a military analyst with the Friends Committee on National Legislation who fought in Vietnam and later taught philosophy at West Point.

"Soldiers soon decide they can trust no one except their comrades … and quickly the indigenous people – all of them – become inferiors," he says. "Being inferior, they are less than human and deserve less respect, at which point one has entered the slippery slope that can end with a war crime."

To reduce combat stress, the Army now gives combat soldiers a break after 90 days. But that may not be enough, some experts say, especially for those on their second, third, or fourth tour in Iraq.

Experts point to relaxed standards
While military units are reemphasizing the importance of the laws of war and rules of engagement, some relaxed recruiting standards may cause other problems.

"Waiving rules against recruiting men and women with criminal records is leading to a substantial rise in the number of gang members wearing uniforms and getting trained to use military weapons," says Smith. "Put them in a war zone where death is common and life cheap – that's a real recipe for wanton killing."

Solis, the former Marine Corp judge advocate, agrees. "When enlistment qualifications go down, that means discipline rates go up."

As the nature of modern war changes to become less "conventional," it may be that the Uniform Code of Military Justice (passed by Congress in 1950) and the laws of war will need to be reexamined, some experts suggest.

"If what we're seeing in Afghanistan and Iraq is a harbinger of future conflicts, then there's going to have to be some change in the rather old-fashioned and conventional concepts of behavior in the battle space," says Dr. Thompson, whose work puts him in close contact with military officers and Pentagon officials.

"We are now deep into an era when combatants do everything they can to seem like they're not combatants until the last moment when they kill you," he says. "That's about as far as you can get from the [British] red coats when the laws of war first began to be formulated."
 
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Already the title says it all ! World news....yeah !

Ya know what? This is the same, as I would post messages here from a Forum from Apostates of Islam. I wonder that such kind of posts get approved !
 
are you surprised?
im not surprised to hear this...
What doesn't surprise you?
Truck drivers may have to fight? :-\
They are instructed to shoot at people with bazookas pointed at you? :-\
Not everyone favors the war? :-\
Some conscientious objectors flee the country? :-\

Just what don't you find surprising? :skeleton:
 
are you surprised?
im not surprised to hear this...

yes what are you surprised at hearing? That two people have fled to Canada because they were afraid to fight in war, or that the US military courts are cracking down harder on war crimes in Iraq than any other war ever fought?

What since would it make to tell our soldiers "Kill women and children, terrorist or citizen" when we are then locking up the guys who rape and kill the innocent? To me it looks like the guy just couldnt hack it, so he ran away
 
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:( ye AKhi, it just confirms what I already saw and makes sense seeing as the civillian body count is so high. Of course there are those that remain blind and will not be convinced unless they see it on CNN or Fox news maybe.

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

Hidden Massacre Falujah

http://reprehensor.gnn.tv/blogs/10442/Fallujah_the_Hidden_Massacre
We all know why the body count is so high. It is Muslims killing Muslims.
CNN One of the worlds largest news soruces is untrust worthy? Because they are government controled? Or is it Zionest controled? What do you concider a trusted news source. Islamonline with it's bias base?
 
What doesn't surprise you?
Truck drivers may have to fight? :-\
They are instructed to shoot at people with bazookas pointed at you? :-\
Not everyone favors the war? :-\
Some conscientious objectors flee the country? :-\

Just what don't you find surprising? :skeleton:

not those but to these...
--a usa soldier telling how he killed small children ,with his guitar and with disgusting smiles...
---abu grayb(here you can see how human usa soldiers are )
---soldiers killing so many innocent people for joy...
---supporting terröst groups which are not against usa...


hiroshima,nagasaki,wiatnam,ıraq....

there are so many guilts of usa that ı dont know which one to say...
 
We all know why the body count is so high. It is Muslims killing Muslims.
CNN One of the worlds largest news soruces is untrust worthy? Because they are government controled? Or is it Zionest controled? What do you concider a trusted news source. Islamonline with it's bias base?

please give me the number of killed muslims by muslims?
before usa came ıraq,and after usa came ıraq...
 
please give me the number of killed muslims by muslims?
before usa came ıraq,and after usa came ıraq...
Muslims have been killing Muslims since Mohammad died.:muddlehea
SH was killing Muslims every day. :mad:
You just want a new scape goat.
:thumbs_do
 
not those but to these...
--a usa soldier telling how he killed small children ,with his guitar and with disgusting smiles...
---abu grayb(here you can see how human usa soldiers are )
---soldiers killing so many innocent people for joy...
---supporting terröst groups which are not against usa...


hiroshima,nagasaki,wiatnam,ıraq....

there are so many guilts of usa that ı dont know which one to say...
Oh you want to open the scope two the last 6 years and not just the article.
If you change the scope a little more we could talk about the crusades. :skeleton:
 
This article is biased and another example of americophobia :)
 
Muslims have been killing Muslims since Mohammad died.:muddlehea
SH was killing Muslims every day. :mad:
You just want a new scape goat.
:thumbs_do
we r talkin about ıraq..
say me the number of killed muslims IN IRAQ before usa came ıraq.. and after usa came ıraq
 
we r talkin about ıraq..
say me the number of killed muslims IN IRAQ before usa came ıraq.. and after usa came ıraq
Are you sugesting SH didn't gass the Kurds? We didn't find and WMD but we did find many mass graves. How many did your beloved Muslim Brother SH kill? I have no idea. Thousands for sure, hundreds of thousands maybe. Millions if you want to count his wars.
:hiding:
 
We all know why the body count is so high. It is Muslims killing Muslims.

Man stop generalising with these baseless statements and stop spoon feeding off CNN, omg man How many times I gotta tell you? I know how baseless your statements are from our previous discussions...

CNN One of the worlds largest news soruces is untrust worthy? Because they are government controled? Or is it Zionest controled? What do you concider a trusted news source. Islamonline with it's bias base?

I use ration and a process of Elimination, I watch BBC news mostly and add that to the vast information source on the net minus the 99% BS you got the world at your feet. Is CNN controlled by ZIonists/Goverment? Most probably seen as its a complete flipping JOKE! Yes its full of BS, and guess what, I ain't the only one that thinks so. Guess what, I ain't the only one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFQFB5YpDZE

Mash'allah, not all americans are blind
 
Are you sugesting SH didn't gass the Kurds? We didn't find and WMD but we did find many mass graves. How many did your beloved Muslim Brother SH kill? I have no idea. Thousands for sure, hundreds of thousands maybe. Millions if you want to count his wars.
:hiding:

ı dont claim that saddam was good....
but ım sure that even saddam was better than usa in ıraq...
during saddam regime saddam was the killer,but now it isnt obvious who kills who...but it is obvious to ones who think wisely,all the ways of killers ın ıraq reach one place...usa.....but no one dares to say this bluntly
 
Man stop generalising with these baseless statements and stop spoon feeding off CNN, omg man How many times I gotta tell you? I know how baseless your statements are from our previous discussions...
I get most of my stuff for you bigots from Al Jazerra.

I use ration and a process of Elimination, I watch BBC news mostly and add that to the vast information source on the net
Wow, thats nice. Where do you go "HateUSA.com"? :hmm:
minus the 99% BS you got the world at your feet.
I would assume the 99% you minus are things that don't please you. :(
Is CNN controlled by ZIonists/Goverment? Most probably seen as its a complete flipping JOKE! Yes its full of BS, and guess what, I ain't the only one that thinks so. Guess what, I ain't the only one:
Mose Muslims don't seame to be able to accept reality. You seam to be no exception.
And yes "Youtube" where any idot can say anything they want. What a great source of news. If you check youtube close enough you can find out where the flying sourcers landed. :giggling: :giggling: :giggling:


Mash'allah, not all americans are blind
That is probably true for most that line in "the soul created by Allah within a body sustained by Allah in his domain". But probably not you.
 
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