[GuestFellow]

One of the ways the US is trying to weed out militants in the lawless border regions between Afghanistan and Pakistan is by using pilotless planes to bomb targets.

"The US government defends drone attacks - saying they're legal and 'an act of self defence'. It claims when dealing with what it calls 'terrorist organisations' like Al Qaeda and the Taliban - these unmanned strikes are necessary because they eliminate risk. It argues US forces can't be killed if they're not involved in person so it says it's a way of reducing overall US casualties.

The US government and the military are bunch of cowards.

 

[جوري]

self defense? :lol: flying over sovereign nations and bombing them is self-defense? It really is the beginning of the end for America and Israel.. whenever evil reigns supreme and people can't distinguish right from wrong usually spells their demise!

 

[Trumble]

The US government and the military are bunch of cowards.

Cowardice has nothing to do with it. No competent military officer risks the lives of his men when it is not necessary to get the job done. Whether that particular job should be getting done is, of course, a different question.

 

[LavaDog]

it used to be worse. we would lay parts on the roadside that could be used to make bombs is iraq. they told us to take out anybody that picked the stuff up, because only a terrorist would want to pick up copper wire and spark plugs.

 

[Ramadhan]

it used to be worse. we would lay parts on the roadside that could be used to make bombs is iraq. they told us to take out anybody that picked the stuff up, because only a terrorist would want to pick up copper wire and spark plugs.

Were you in military service?

Alhamdulillah that Allah has guided you to the straight path.

 

[GuestFellow]

Cowardice has nothing to do with it. No competent military officer risks the lives of his men when it is not necessary to get the job done. Whether that particular job should be getting done is, of course, a different question.

Technically your right. I'm was merely expressing my disgust with the US government and military. I think the course of action the military has taken shows that the lives of the soldiers are considered to be more important than civilian life.

 

[Zuzubu]

Pakistan and Afghanistan both has bad government so obviously easy targets.

 

[~Raindrop~]

Technically your right. I'm was merely expressing my disgust with the US government and military. I think the course of action the military has taken shows that the lives of the soldiers are considered to be more important than civilian life.

Agreed. They might as well stick up huge banners declaring that civilian life has no value whatsoever, so anyone's free to take a potshot whenever they fancy. The people in those areas are some of the poorest in the country, with most of them living in mud houses -if you can call them them that- and not even having enough food to eat. Even the military thinks nothing of landing their helicopters in their crops and destroying their only means of survival. Anyone who complains get thrown into jail.

Ahh...but I forget. They spend their spare time sticking wires together or whatever it is that's done making bombs whilst their children are crying to be fed next to them.

Makes perfect sense.

 

[tigerkhan]

i had visited all this area and i have so many friends in university from those area. what makes me sad, these simple ppl were used by ISI and America the past to destroy Russia and when they got bit strength, America bcm their enemy and now they are labeled as terrorist.
from all this i think what lesson we need to learn is,
1. America or any non muslim sate can never be friend to muslims.
2. love for money and this dunia is the most wrost thing in this world.
3. islam can never be spread and established by force.

 

[titus]

1. America or any non muslim sate can never be friend to muslims.

How exactly do you come to this conclusion?

Just because some non-Muslim countries and some Muslim countries are currently in some form of conflict should not make anyone leap to the conclusion that Muslim and non-Muslim countries can never be friends.

 

[GuestFellow]

^ I'm sure countries can be "friends" but I remember I read somewhere that a Muslim country cannot accept military aid from any non-Muslim country...strange because Saudi Arabia seeks security from the US.

 

[tigerkhan]

^ in addition keep in mind in battle of Uhad, prophet PBUH when heard that enemies were coming back to attack agian, He PBUH said, all who were in war should be ready again and no1 other than those were already in war would join them. so its clear muslims never depend on numbers of soldiers, how much they are equipped with arms and technology. its matter to show ALLAH SWT we are ready to give life for u. and ALLAH SWT will help them on this spirit and those who have help from ALLAH SWT can never lose.
so muslims don't need others, and 2ndly Muslims fight is against Kufer and Shirk,not to conquer land or to rule ppl. so u understand Kufr can not be removed if they take help of kufr and have friendship with them.

 

[سيف الله]

Salaam

How exactly do you come to this conclusion?

Just because some non-Muslim countries and some Muslim countries are currently in some form of conflict should not make anyone leap to the conclusion that Muslim and non-Muslim countries can never be friends.

Please,

US governments have been the leading force in blocking Musim self determination in many countries for decades (in fact post 1945) and it continues to this day.

For example, why have Iran not had diplomatic relations with the US for 30+ years now, for good reason, they value their independence.

So you shouldnt be surprised at the reaction.

However the future might change, but until then. . . . . . .

 

[titus]

The post didn't say anything about not being friends with the USA excusively, it included all non-Muslim nations. Tigerkahn said:

1. America or any non muslim sate can never be friend to muslims.

Do Muslims here really believe that a Muslim nation should not be friendly any non-Muslim nation?

 

[سيف الله]

Salaam

If the friendship should benifet the peoples of (both) those nations, then sure, I dont see a problem with that.

 

[tigerkhan]

Do Muslims here really believe that a Muslim nation should not be friendly any non-Muslim nation?

if u just fight for the sake of allah swt and deen islam, then how a person can be ur friend who also dont believe ALLAH SWT and islam.
yes if u are talking of our current Muslim rulers, yes they are making friendship with non-muslims countries but its not for the sake of islam, its just for theirs worldly matters. they are dying for this dunia and no interest in islam and hereafter.

 

[Argamemnon]

Cowardice has nothing to do with it. No competent military officer risks the lives of his men when it is not necessary to get the job done. Whether that particular job should be getting done is, of course, a different question.

Please stop this intellectual nonsense, it's annoying. Not to mention totally hollow!

 

[Argamemnon]

i think what lesson we need to learn is,
1. America or any non muslim sate can never be friend to muslims.
2. love for money and this dunia is the most wrost thing in this world.
3. islam can never be spread and established by force.

In fact, all three points are clearly mentioned in the Qur'an, but most Muslims don't read it. They prefer to hide their Qur'an somewhere in the house and treat it as a souvenir...

As for point 1: we can have 'friendly' relations with other countries (obviously) but we are not allowed to take them as protectors, which we do.

 

[titus]

if u just fight for the sake of allah swt and deen islam, then how a person can be ur friend who also dont believe ALLAH SWT and islam.

If I am not fighting against you then why should we not be friendly? Unless you happen to consider all non-Muslims your enemy.

You will also find it hard to follow your philosophy while at the same time trying to create an Islamic state. Why would any sane non-Muslim nation want a neighbor who states that they will have unfriendly relations with your nation because you don't follow their religion?

As for point 1: we can have 'friendly' relations with other countries (obviously) but we are not allowed to take them as protectors, which we do.

It seems tigerkahn disagrees.

Cowardice has nothing to do with it. No competent military officer risks the lives of his men when it is not necessary to get the job done. Whether that particular job should be getting done is, of course, a different question.

Please stop this intellectual nonsense, it's annoying. Not to mention totally hollow!

It's just another evolution in warfare in which those that are behind call cowardice. It happened when men started using guns, then when they started using planes, and now when they start using unmanned drones.

Are unmanned drones any less honorable than roadside bombs?

 

[Argamemnon]

The post didn't say anything about not being friends with the USA excusively, it included all non-Muslim nations. Tigerkahn said:

1. America or any non muslim sate can never be friend to muslims.

Do Muslims here really believe that a Muslim nation should not be friendly any non-Muslim nation?

What certain Muslims think is rather insignificant and your perception of Islam should not be influenced by what some of them say or do. There are many ignorant Muslims as there are many ignorant Americans and westerners. Obviously Muslim countries can and should have good relations with everybody else, but we aren't allowed to rely on them as protectors or allies. If I were the prime minister of Turkey (and if I had the opportunity to make important decisions), I would withdraw from NATO for example. I would still strive to improve relations with all non-Muslim nations as long as they are not hostile and aggressive against Muslims. This would be the proper Islamic attitude; Muslims are not monsters.. of course we can and will have friendly relations with the rest of the world, how could you think otherwise? We are all humans!