Weak and Fabricated Hadiths that People Mostly Believe in

1: Do you see any difference between weak and fabricated hadith...? How do you define them...?

2: How many sahih hadith are in sihah sitta (excluding repeated hadith) ..?
 
azc said:
1: Do you see any difference between weak and fabricated hadith...? How do you define them...?
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That's the job of the scholars, especially ahadith scholars. Don't go questioning them on this too now.
 
Zzz_ said:
That's the job of the scholars, especially ahadith scholars. Don't go questioning them on this too now.
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I need the answers of my questions, if you can, give, or no more discussion
 
I do not speak on matters that I do not know.But I can only give an overview known to common people.
Fabricated Hadiths are a type of weak Hadiths.
If you furthur classify weak hadiths,there are furthur types of which mawdoo' hadiths are a type..Fabricated Hadiths are falsely attributed to the Prophet,peace and blessings be upon him,by people who came later for their own reasons.The Sufis and the Rafidah are synonymous with Fabricated Hadiths.
A hadith may be weak because of its matan,meaning text,or Sanad,or its narrator may be weak in memory or Irsal,or a narrator is unknown,or a narrator is a mudallis,or the hadith may contain any such aspect of weakness.
I d not know the answer to the second question.

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We can classify a hadith as fabricated if any of is narrators is a liar
 
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MuhammadHamza1 said:
I do not speak on matters that I do not know.But I can only give an overview known to common people.Fabricated Hadiths are a type of weak Hadiths.If you furthur classify weak hadiths,there are furthur types of which mawdoo' hadiths are a type..Fabricated Hadiths are falsely attributed to the Prophet,peace and blessings be upon him,by people who came later for their own reasons.The Sufis and the Rafidah are synonymous with Fabricated Hadiths.A hadith may be weak because of its matan,meaning text,or Sanad,or its narrator may be weak in memory or Irsal,or a narrator is unknown,or a narrator is a mudallis,or the hadith may contain any such aspect of weakness.I d not know the answer to the second question.- - - Updated - - -We can classify a hadith as fabricated if any of is narrators is a liar
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Weak hadith has some basis of it being as saying or doing of prophet s.a.w despite its illat of weakness though..But mawdhu or fabricated hadith are utterly lying upon prophet s.a.w...So both have different identity.https://islamqa.org/hanafi/seekersguidance-hanafi/107556?_e_pi_=7,PAGE_ID10,5064179350
 
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azc said:
Weak hadith has some basis of it being as saying or doing of prophet s.a.w despite its illat of weakness though
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A weak hadith can only be acted upon if there are other similar narrations that are free from aspects of weakness or if there are authentic proofs from the Qur'an, authentically reported Sunnah (whatever is reported from the Prophet), the practices of the Sahabah (Companions of the Prophet), or Ijma` (consensus of scholars) with the same meaning or ruling conveyed in the weak Hadith.
 
Indirectly you are rejecting weak hadith and refuting imams and scholars who acted upon weak narrations.
 
azc said:
Indirectly you are rejecting weak hadith and refuting imams and scholars who acted upon weak narrations.
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And that is the reasoning people of the subcontinent use to follow weak hadith, even when there are strong sahih hadith stating otherwise.
 
Zzz_ said:
And that is the reasoning people of the subcontinent use to follow weak hadith, even when there are strong sahih hadith stating otherwise.
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https://islamqa.org/hanafi/seekersguidance-hanafi/107556?_e_pi_=7,PAGE_ID10,1237791251

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Answered by Shaykh Amjad Rasheed Text translated by Sr. Shazia Ahmad Questions: Why did the scholars who follow madhab allow acting on weak hadith? Isn’t this a gross innovation?Answer: In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful In the Name of Allah, Most Merciful and Compassionate May His blessings and peace...[/TD][/TR][/TABLE]
 
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 1/250:

It is not permissible in Islam to rely on weak ahaadeeth that are neither saheeh nor hasan, but Ahmad ibn Hanbal and other scholars regarded it is permissible to narrate reports concerning righteous deeds which are not known to be proven, so long as they are not known to be lies, on the basis that if an action is known to be prescribed in Islam from shar’i evidence, and there is a hadeeth which is not known to be a lie, it is possible that the reward referred to in that weak hadeeth may be true. None of the imams said that it is permissible to regard something as obligatory or mustahabb on the basis of a weak hadeeth; whoever says that is going against scholarly consensus. It is permissible to narrate reports that are not known to be lies in order to encourage and warn people, but only with regard to matters where it is known that Allaah has encouraged or warned against them on the basis of other evidence the status of whose narrators is not unknown. End quote.
 
MuhammadHamza1 said:
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 1/250:

It is not permissible in Islam to rely on weak ahaadeeth that are neither saheeh nor hasan, but Ahmad ibn Hanbal and other scholars regarded it is permissible to narrate reports concerning righteous deeds which are not known to be proven, so long as they are not known to be lies, on the basis that if an action is known to be prescribed in Islam from shar’i evidence, and there is a hadeeth which is not known to be a lie, it is possible that the reward referred to in that weak hadeeth may be true. None of the imams said that it is permissible to regard something as obligatory or mustahabb on the basis of a weak hadeeth; whoever says that is going against scholarly consensus. It is permissible to narrate reports that are not known to be lies in order to encourage and warn people, but only with regard to matters where it is known that Allaah has encouraged or warned against them on the basis of other evidence the status of whose narrators is not unknown. End quote.
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See the views of greater imams than him regarding weak narrations
 
rebelutionary said:
why are you against questioning? Doesn't Islam ask you to question and ponder?
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If that question was in general as in regards to why the imams do it then that requires a history lesson of why the imams did it and not one's own opinion. If that question was directed at the individual then that is the job of the scholars and not something you go asking muslims on a forum. Islam asks you to question and ponder and THEN ask meaningful questions, it forbids useless debates and discussions, especially those pertaining to the deen by those lacking scholarly knowledge on the deen.
 
Imam Tirmidhi (may Allah be pleased with him) said:

قد اختلف الأئمة من أهل العلم في تضعيف الرجال كما اختلفوا في سوى ذلك من العلم (العلل الصغير للترمذي (ص: 756)

“Scholars differed in weakening narrators just as they differed in other aspects of knowledge.” (Al ‘Ilal as-Saghir, 756)
 
This hadith is clearly fabricated "love arab for three reasons: I am an Arab, Quran is in Arabic and the language of the people of paradise will be Arabic"

Our prophet, pbuh, was not a nationalist, and the language of paradise will not be Arabic. Arabic is an ordinary language like the other earthly languages, nothing else
 

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