What do Christians believe?

[AntiKarateKid]

"So, with Jesus (peace be upon him) people are able to do enough good deeds to enter heaven?"

I'm not sure you can say that- your salvation does not come about by the deeds. It is not by your actions that you win grace. It is a Gift of Grace from GOD - Jesus has paid that debt that sin creates.

We know that GOD is the author and that He inspired man to write He message down- what He wanted man to know.

The horrific events of the Old Testment is our past, our history showing why we need Jesus.

The so called contradictions are in fact complementary- the synoptic Gospel- appear to be differences until you dig deeper. Many verses of the Holy Bible can be taken at face value but many also have even deeper richer meaning that come out the more you read the Holy Bible.

I believe that for you to truly understand the Quran you must read the Holy Bible.

Complementary huh...

Deuteronomy 24:16
The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
Isaiah 14:21
Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers.


Exodus 33:11
"And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend.
John 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time.


I'm failing to see their complementary relationship. This isn't counting the numerical errors or the switching of God with Satan in a similar verse errors. Or are you saying that tends of thousands of Bible manuscripts that differ in various degrees are complementary?

 

[Al Ansari]

Greetings, Al Ansari

These are Jesus' own words:

God does indeed know best, and with him all things are possible.

In the name of Allaah


Glo,

The verse before the aformentioned states:

(Verse 29) "My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."

or John 14:28

"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."


The verse that you have put forth, it is evident that Jesus (peace be upon him) and God are one in purpose and not essence. Take the verse where Jesus (peace be upon him) according to the Bible prays for the believers:

"Jesus Prays for All Believers
(20)"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, (21)that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. (22)I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are
one:"


Yes, God can do anything He pleases, however, it states in Numbers 23:19,

New International Version (©1984)

"God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?"


And Allaah knows best

 

[Al Ansari]

Not quite. With respects to Jenny who is saying something quite different with regard to Jesus than what I believe is found in the Bible, the historic teaching of the Church is not so much that God made Jesus, but that God became incarnate in Jesus. There is a difference.

(I can go on if you like, but I don't promise that doing so will not be more confusing for it requires understanding how one can speak of God the Son without speaking of the human being Jesus.)

You are correct, there is a difference. I have read much of the history, nonetheless, I would like you to elaborate on the topic.

 

[Al Ansari]

Hebrews 4:14-15
14Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has gone through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. 15For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet was without sin.

Ali,

Keep in mind that none of the Anbiyah of Allaah sinned. They were the best of creation.

Wa Allaahu alim






Graceseeker,


Also, I wanted to inquire who was speaking in this verse?

 

[Al Ansari]

"For as the (human) body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many."

"Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one."

Glo, as you can see from the above verse (there are more but its late here) that "I and the father are one" is speaking about one in purpose. But if you insist on interpreting that as a sign of divinity, then we are all just as divine as Jesus pbuh eh?

as salaamu 'alaikum akhi,

Good post. JazakAllaahu Khair.

 

[Jon Paul]

Hello, everyone!

This should be fun. I believe that a thread on what Christian's believe is quite erroneous in the long run. There are many branches within Christianity and differing theological views.

I am a Roman Catholic. There is quite alot going on in this thread, so I am just going to jump right in. Anything you want to know about the Catholic Church, I will do my best to answer you. That goes for Protestants as well.

As far as Mary being without sin, that is a doctrine that was introduced in the Catholic church as an interpretation they believe can be inferred from the scriptures, but no where is it explicitly mentioned and to the best of my knowledge no one other than Catholics believe it.

Well, this is debatable. The Church for a start does not rely soley on scripture in anything. Second, I believe the Eastern Orthodox also believe in a sinless Mary. However they do not believe in the Immaculate Conception. I think their views are more in line with Thomas Aquinas. They believe Mary was filled with Sanctifying Grace after conception, where as the Catholic Church believe that, in Christ's foreknowledge, he applies the merits He earned for our salvation to Mary at the moment of her conception, so she was born without Original Sin.

It is a common misconception that Catholics believe Mary did not need a saviour, this is not the case, as she was only saved by the merits of Jesus Christ. He simply saved her in a more perfect manner.

Regards,
JP.

 

[Grace Seeker]

Thank-you for the additional elucidating comments.