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The day this guy asked me and another sister for help (study related) anyways I didn’t know how the conversion starting but all of a sudden we started to talk about Sikh religion. Now I must admit I am totally ignorant of that religion and this guy was taking advantage of it. He said one of their prophet was related to Muhammad etc And that Sikh’s are part of Islam… he went on to say how they burn their dead, they don’t believe in sinning etc…he just said a lot, I can’t even recall half of the things he said. Someone please provide me with a link or give me an over view of that Sikh’s believe
 
Assalaam Alaykum sister.


This is what I have found from islamtoday.com

I hope it helps insha'Allah. Allahu Alm'(and only Allah knows best).

  • Sikhism, which developed during the early 16th century in the state of Punjab in North India, is a mixture of Islamic and Hindu elements in addition to other teachings devised by their leaders. Certainly they are not Muslims. From the onset of their religion, they have openly declared their disavowal of Islam.

  • In their prayers, they recite: “I do not follow the religious ways preached by various religions believing in Ram, Mohammed, Puran or Qur'an
.”

  • The founder of this sect, Guru Nanak, proclaimed that he had seen Allah and that Allah had commanded him to call people to this new religion.

  • This man has permitted his followers to drink liquor and eat pork. However, he forbade them beef in deference to the Hindus.
  • When this sect ruled Punjab in the eighteenth century, they severely oppressed and persecuted the Muslims. During the English occupation of India, they were loyal to the British and many of their menfolk were part of the largest British army ever assembled. This army had as one of its primary purposes the suppression of Muslim liberation movements.


  • [*]Regarding their claim that they believe in one God, we would say that will not be of any help to them until they actually worship Allah alone in accordance with the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace be upon him).
 
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How can anyone say Sikhism was Islam. May I know more about that?
 
Assalaam Alaykum sister.


This is what I have found from islamtoday.com

I hope it helps insha'Allah. Allahu Alm'(and only Allah knows best).

  • Sikhism, which developed during the early 16th century in the state of Punjab in North India, is a mixture of Islamic and Hindu elements in addition to other teachings devised by their leaders. Certainly they are not Muslims. From the onset of their religion, they have openly declared their disavowal of Islam.

  • In their prayers, they recite: “I do not follow the religious ways preached by various religions believing in Ram, Mohammed, Puran or Qur'an
.”

  • The founder of this sect, Guru Nanak, proclaimed that he had seen Allah and that Allah had commanded him to call people to this new religion.

  • This man has permitted his followers to drink liquor and eat pork. However, he forbade them beef in deference to the Hindus.
  • When this sect ruled Punjab in the eighteenth century, they severely oppressed and persecuted the Muslims. During the English occupation of India, they were loyal to the British and many of their menfolk were part of the largest British army ever assembled. This army had as one of its primary purposes the suppression of Muslim liberation movements.


  • [*]Regarding their claim that they believe in one God, we would say that will not be of any help to them until they actually worship Allah alone in accordance with the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace be upon him).


I've read the article on islamtoday. I don't think it's entirely correct, and its quite disappointing for it to say this especially without giving references. Sikhs aren't allowed to drink

Zakir naik has an article about sikhism's beliefs here
http://www.irf.net/irf/comparativereligion/index.htm
 
Jazakallah for the Link

One of the famous couplets of Sant Kabir is:

"Dukh mein sumirana sabh karein
Sukh mein karein na koya
Jo sukh mein sumirana karein
To dukh kaye hoye?"

"In times of trouble, God is remembered by all
But none remembers Him during peace and happiness.
If God is remembered in good times of happiness
Why should trouble occur?"

Compare this with the following verse of the Qur’an:

"When some trouble toucheth man,
He crieth unto his Lord,
Turning to Him in repentance:
But when He bestoweth
A favour upon him
As from Himself,
(Man) doth forget what he cried
And prayed for before,
And he doth set up
Rivals unto Allah."
[Al-Qur’an 39:8]

Subhnallah.

I always thought Sikh's worshipped idols..

Do they not believe life after death? Hell and Heaven?
 
They believe in reincarnation

History of Sikhism

Guru Nanak Dev (1469–1538), considered to be the founder of Sikhism, was born in the village of Talwandi, now called Nankana Sahib, near Lahore (in what is present-day Pakistan). His father, Mehta Kalu was a Patwari—an accountant of land revenue in the government. Nanak's mother was Mata Tripta and he had one older sister, Bibi Nanki. His parents, Kalu Mehta and Matta Tripat, were Hindus of the Khatri caste. From early childhood, Bibi Nanki saw in her son the Light of God but she did not reveal this secret to anyone. She is known as the first disciple of Guru Nanak. Even as a boy, Nanak was fascinated by religion, and his desire to explore the mysteries of life eventually led him to leave home. It was during this period that Nanak was said to have met Kabir (1440—1518), a saint revered by those of different faiths. He made four distinct major journeys, which are called Udasis, spanning many thousands of miles.

In 1538, Guru Nanak chose Lehna, his disciple as a successor to the Guruship rather than his son. Bhai Lehna was named Guru Angad and became the second guru of the Sikhs. He continued the work started by the Founder. Guru Amar Das became the third Sikh guru in 1552 at the age of 73. Goindwal became an important centre for Sikhism during the Guruship of Guru Amar Das. He continued to preach the principle of equality for women, the prohibition of Sati and the practise of Langar. In 1567, Emperor Akbar sat with the ordinary and poor people of Punjab to have Langar. Guru Amar Das also trained 140 apostles of which 52 were women, to manage the rapid expansion of the religion. Before he died in 1574 aged 95, he appointed his son-in-law Jetha as the fourth Sikh Guru.

Jetha became Guru Ram Das and vigorously undertook his duties as the new guru. He is responsible for the establishment of the city of Ramdaspur later to be named Amritsar. In 1581, Guru Arjan — youngest son of the fourth guru — became the Fifth Guru of the Sikhs. In addition to being responsible for building the Golden Temple, he prepared the Sikh Sacred text and his personal addition of some 2,000 plus hymns in the Guru Granth Sahib. In 1604 he installed the Adi Granth for the first time as the Holy Book of the Sikhs. In 1606, for refusing to make changes to the Guru Granth Sahib, he was tortured and killed by the Mughal rulers of the time.

Guru Har Gobind, became the sixth guru of the Sikhs. He carried two swords — one for Spiritual reasons and one for temporal (worldly) reasons. From this point onward, the Sikhs became a military force and always had a trained fighting force to defend their independence. In 1644, Guru Har Rai became Guru followed by Guru Har Krishan, the boy Guru in 1661. Guru Tegh Bahadur became Guru in 1665 and led the Sikhs until 1675, when he sacrificed his life to save the Kashmiri Hindus who had come to him for help.

In 1675, Aurangzeb publicly executed the ninth Sikh Guru, Guru Tegh Bahadur. Guru Tegh Bahadur sacrificed himself to protect Hindus, after Kashmiri pandits came to him for help when the Emperor condemned them to death for failing to convert to Islam. This marked a turning point for Sikhism. His successor, Guru Gobind Singh further militarised his followers (see Khalsa). After Aurangzeb killed four of Gobind Singh's sons, Gobind Singh sent Aurangzeb the Zafarnama (Notification of Victory).

Shortly before passing away Guru Gobind ordered that the Guru Granth Sahib (the Sikh Holy Scripture), would be the ultimate spiritual authority for the Sikhs and temporal authority would be vested in the Khalsa Panth – The Sikh Nation. The first Sikh Holy Scripture was compiled and edited by the Fifth Guru, Guru Arjan in AD 1604, although some of the earlier gurus are also known to have documented their revelations. This is one of the few scriptures in the world that has been compiled by the founders of a faith during their own life time. The Guru Granth Sahib is particularly unique among sacred texts in that it is written in Gurmukhi script but contains many languages including Punjabi, Hindi-Urdu, Sanskrit, Bhojpuri and Persian. Sikhs consider the Guru Granth Sahib the last, perpetual living guru.

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Sikhism advocates the belief in one God who is omnipresent and has infinite qualities. This aspect has been repeated on numerous occasions in the Guru Granth Sahib and the term Ek Onkar signifies this.

Sikhs do not have a gender for God nor do they believe God takes a human form. All human beings are considered equal regardless of their religion, sex or race. All are sons and daughters of Waheguru, the Almighty. Sikhs should defend, safeguard, and fight for the rights of all creatures, and in particular fellow human beings. They are encouraged to have a "Chardi Kala" or positive, optimistic and buoyant view of life.

Sikhs believe in the concept of reincarnation. All creatures are believed to have a spirit that can pass to other bodies upon death until liberation is achieved. The Sikh religion is not considered the only way to salvation — people of other religions may also achieve salvation. This concept is shared with other Dharmic religions.

It is every Sikh's duty to defeat these five vices: ego, anger, greed, attachment, and lust. Sikhs are encouraged to 'attack' these vices with contentment, charity, kindness, positive attitude, and humility.

Followers of Sikhism are encouraged to wake in the early morning hours, before the sun has risen, and meditate on God's name. They must work hard and honestly and never live off others, but give to others from the fruits of one's own labour. A Sikh's home should always be open to all.

Upon baptism, Sikhs must wear the Five Ks, and recite the five prayers. Sikhs do not believe that any particular day is holier than any other and tend to adopt the religious day of the country within which they reside.​
 
but Guru Nanak was a Muslim, wasnt he?

No Guru Nanak was not Hindu or a Muslim, he was above the confines of any worldly religion. He came to this world to spread sat and not the gospel of any other faith. He didnt go through sunat nor did he preach about The prophet: Mohammed (peace be upon him).
But Guru Nanak was very respected by Hindus and Muslims overall who both claimed him as theirs.

'Baba Nanak Sa Fakir Hindu ka Guru Musalmaan Ka Pir'
 
No Guru Nanak was not Hindu or a Muslim, he was above the confines of any worldly religion. He came to this world to spread sat and not the gospel of any other faith. He didnt go through sunat nor did he preach about The prophet: Mohammed (peace be upon him).


Khoza, i like the way you dialogue, you've very respectful, you even say peace be upon him. Nice to see some manners!

But Guru Nanak was very respected by Hindus and Muslims overall who both claimed him as theirs.

Yeah this is what confuses me. I mean if Guru nanek clearly stated all other religions were wrong and only Sikhism was right, and that he was neither Hindu or Muslim, then why did the muslims and hindus try and claim Guru Nanek was a muslim/hindu?
 
Khoza, i like the way you dialogue, you've very respectful, you even say peace be upon him. Nice to see some manners!


only if you use that name, if you say "your prophet" then thats different you dont have to use any of the religious compulories.


Yeah this is what confuses me. I mean if Guru nanek clearly stated all other religions were wrong and only Sikhism was right, and that he was neither Hindu or Muslim, then why did the muslims and hindus try and claim Guru Nanek was a muslim/hindu?

cos everybody wants the diamond but no-ones willing to give their head for it, all religions have tried to assimilate us only they know the reason why they feel the need to do this we have never affiliated ourselves with any religion. Its just we can co-exist in harmony, perhaps integration gets miscontrued as assimilation.

ISDhillon
 
Khoza, i like the way you dialogue, you've very respectful, you even say peace be upon him. Nice to see some manners!



Yeah this is what confuses me. I mean if Guru nanek clearly stated all other religions were wrong and only Sikhism was right, and that he was neither Hindu or Muslim, then why did the muslims and hindus try and claim Guru Nanek was a muslim/hindu?

Cuz they all had loads of respect for Guru Ji, plus as khoza ji stated Guru Ji was not apart of any religion and the message of Sikhi today, in the form of Guru Granth Sahib Ji is for the whole of humanity and not for certain groups of people.

For further info:
www.sikhnet.com

Back to my studies:thankyou:
 
Guru Granth Sahib Ji is for the whole of humanity and not for certain groups of people.
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Thnx for reply. But it seems Sikhism is just limited to just Indians. I haven't seen any non-indians ever embrace Sikhism, i've heard of some rare conversions though. could you shed more light please
 

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