[AvarAllahNoor]

According to the Pentagon, we used 25,000 munitions (bombs and missiles) during the invasion. Tens of thousands of people were killed, Iraq's infrastructure was destroyed, and anarchy has prevailed ever since. Is it reasonable to expect the Iraqis to collaborate and respect those that killed their relatives and destroyed their country?

The only solution is to leave and let the Iraqis work out their differences, the same way they did for centuries before we intervened in their affairs.


Get rid of US puppets/lackeys and the US colonial outpost that is the new Embassy.

The Iraqi oil contracts need to be voided cause it was written by US appointed puppets to the detriment of Iraqis

LEAVE NOW!! :raging:

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Thousands protested yesterday, as a few on here keep saying ''oooh but they want us here'' THEY DO NOT WANT YOU THERE!!!

ARGGGGGGGH!! LEAVEE

 

[Keltoi]

Al-Sadr doesn't want us there, and his call for a protest will be accepted by thousands of his followers. Do you truly think Al-Sadr is concerned with the future of Iraq? Of course not. He is concerned with his own power base and those Shia who follow him.

As to the way forward, more efforts must be made to improve and protect the infrastructure, including the economy. Jobs and economic progress will do wonders to accomplish what bullets and manpower cannot.

 

[siFilam]

:salamext:

best thing to do for US and the Muslim world --> US needs to get out and the rest of the Muslim countries in the Middle East need to come together to help with the reconstruction of Iraq, for the Sake of Allah. In that way it will be Muslims in Muslim land and maybe, just maybe, it won't seem like an occupation.
And Allah knows best.

-SI-

 

[Keltoi]

:salamext:

best thing to do for US and the Muslim world --> US needs to get out and the rest of the Muslim countries in the Middle East need to come together to help with the reconstruction of Iraq, for the Sake of Allah. In that way it will be Muslims in Muslim land and maybe, just maybe, it won't seem like an occupation.
And Allah knows best.

-SI-

That is a good idea, but what countries do you think would approach that kind of mission with honest intentions and goals? Iran? Hardly. Turkey has a problem with the Kurdish. Saudi Arabia is already involved with the Sunni portion of Iraq. What other "Muslim" countries have the means of carrying something like this out?

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

*Yawns at Ketioi*

Change the record will you, it's boring.

 

[Chiteng]

I fear that the US should leave as soon as possible.
Let the Sunni and Shia kill each other.
It seems that killing each other is all they want to do.

But what Bush is doing now, is not working. It is obvious to the entire
world it isnt working.

There are ways to defeat insurgency, and they have been well known
for centuries. Bush is doing NONE of them. All are men are, are targets.

Men are DYING for NOTHING. Just like Vietnam.

The US should impeach Bush, and withdraw, with apologies.

 

[Malaikah]

I don't think it is realistic for the US to just leave... they can't just enter a country, stuff it up and leave with out fixing it!

But then I guess the real question is whether they even have the potential to fix it?

 

[ummAbdillah]

salaam

But then I guess the real question is whether they even have the potential to fix it?

They had four years to do just that and it only seems to get worse.
we can only pray for the suffering innocent iraqis.
wa salaam

 

[Idris]

The US should impeach Bush, and withdraw, with apologies.

That will never happen. A lion kills this is what it's made for. The same with the USA, they will just move to Iran and start more killing.

 

[siFilam]

That is a good idea, but what countries do you think would approach that kind of mission with honest intentions and goals? Iran? Hardly. Turkey has a problem with the Kurdish. Saudi Arabia is already involved with the Sunni portion of Iraq. What other "Muslim" countries have the means of carrying something like this out?

I know. don't remind me.... it ran through my mind while I was writing my post. We're so disunited. :raging:

-SI-

 

[siFilam]

:salamext:

I don't think it is realistic for the US to just leave... they can't just enter a country, stuff it up and leave with out fixing it!

But then I guess the real question is whether they even have the potential to fix it?

your right, its not realistic for the US just to leave without fixing the problem they helped to create. But they can't fix the problem. Muslims need to fix Muslim problems. US can help financially and Muslim countries need come together to fix the social and political problems in Iraq.

I know, which Muslim country would do that. don't remind me. '

wasalam
-SI-

 

[siFilam]

I fear that the US should leave as soon as possible.
Let the Sunni and Shia kill each other.
It seems that killing each other is all they want to do.

thats not true. Sunni and Shia are capable of living together.

There are ways to defeat insurgency, and they have been well known
for centuries. Bush is doing NONE of them. All are men are, are targets.

what r the ways to defeat insurgency?

-SI-

 

[Chiteng]

thats not true. Sunni and Shia are capable of living together.




what r the ways to defeat insurgency?

-SI-

You dont really want to know. But examples abound.

The Romans were experts at suppressing insurgency and thruout
the centuries other countries have done just as well. Russia for example
is quite good at it. However, it isnt a policy that people call enlightened
or 'nice'. A post-modern example would be the Boer war.
The Boer Insurgency was defeated. And no one tried harder, than the
Boer.

The problem is that in the modern world, people forget that insurgency IS
a military problem. They keep trying to find a 'political' solution.
There isnt any.

 

[Keltoi]

You dont really want to know. But examples abound.

The Romans were experts at suppressing insurgency and thruout
the centuries other countries have done just as well. Russia for example
is quite good at it. However, it isnt a policy that people call enlightened
or 'nice'. A post-modern example would be the Boer war.
The Boer Insurgency was defeated. And no one tried harder, than the
Boer.

The problem is that in the modern world, people forget that insurgency IS
a military problem. They keep trying to find a 'political' solution.
There isnt any.

Do truly defeat an insurgency a nation has to become more ruthless than the enemy. The U.S. cannot go down this road.

 

[Chiteng]

Do truly defeat an insurgency a nation has to become more ruthless than the enemy. The U.S. cannot go down this road.

That is why I said we should leave.

The USA is too interested in playing games, than in actually WINNING.

The adventure in Iraq has now gone on LONGER than its entire involvement in
World War 2.

If you dont wish to win, why start in the first place?

But, insurgency CAN be defeated. Yes indeed it can.

 

[- Qatada -]

I know. don't remind me.... it ran through my mind while I was writing my post. We're so disunited. :raging:

-SI-

:salamext:


Sister, this hadith cheers me up so much.

The Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) said:


"The Prophethood will last among you for as long as Allah (God) wills, then Allah would take it away. Then it will be (followed by) a Khilafah [caliphate] Rashida (rightly guided) according to the ways of the Prophethood. It will remain for as long as Allah wills, then Allah would take it away. Afterwards there will be a hereditary leadership which will remain for as long as Allah wills, then He will lift it if He wishes. Afterwards, there will be biting oppression, and it will last for as long as Allah wishes, then He will lift it if He wishes. Then there will be a Khilafah Rashida according to the ways of the Prophethood," then he kept silent.

[recorded in Musnad Imam Ahmad (v/273)]


We're under the underlined stage, and all the events before it have occured in our islamic history. Inshaa'Allaah the rest of the prophecy will soon come into effect.


According to the hadith, the prophet (peace be upon him) will be followed by rightly guided caliphs and after those caliphs (Abu Baker, Omar, Uthman and Ali) will come hereditary leadership (the other Caliphs) and after that will come tyrannical rule (today) and after that will come a rightly guided caliphs yet again inshaa'Allaah.



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[siFilam]

:wasalamex brother,

:salamext:

Sister, this hadith cheers me up so much.

The Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) said:


"The Prophethood will last among you for as long as Allah (God) wills, then Allah would take it away. Then it will be (followed by) a Khilafah [caliphate] Rashida (rightly guided) according to the ways of the Prophethood. It will remain for as long as Allah wills, then Allah would take it away. Afterwards there will be a hereditary leadership which will remain for as long as Allah wills, then He will lift it if He wishes. Afterwards, there will be biting oppression, and it will last for as long as Allah wishes, then He will lift it if He wishes. Then there will be a Khilafah Rashida according to the ways of the Prophethood," then he kept silent.

[recorded in Musnad Imam Ahmad (v/273)]


We're under the underlined stage, and all the events before it have occured in our islamic history. Inshaa'Allaah the rest of the prophecy will soon come into effect.




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Jazakallah Khair, that does make things easy to bear. I hope I get to see the return of the Khilafah Rashida. That would really be a great blessing to witness.

wasalam
-SI-

 

[ACC]

That is why I said we should leave.

The USA is too interested in playing games, than in actually WINNING.

The adventure in Iraq has now gone on LONGER than its entire involvement in
World War 2.

If you dont wish to win, why start in the first place?

But, insurgency CAN be defeated. Yes indeed it can.

Sadly, I agree with a good amount of this. The people of the USA forget how wars used to be won. It did not include smart bombs and pinpoint attacks. The will of the enemy to fight was utterly crushed, which is not a pretty sight.

 

[siFilam]

Sadly, I agree with a good amount of this. The people of the USA forget how wars used to be won. It did not include smart bombs and pinpoint attacks. The will of the enemy to fight was utterly crushed, which is not a pretty sight.

I hope u guys r NOT thinking about nukes.

-SI-