What miracles did the prophet perform?

[Shana524]

Re: What miricles did the prophet perform?

Jitty,
You keep asking the same questions. Read the links the brothers provided for you. It seems like you want us to give you answers which will reinforce your biased and imaginary theories. Obviously, such answers will contradict the truth regarding our beloved Prophet (saw).
And regarding miracles, Jesus (as) was known for the miracles he performed by Allah’s leave. But this didn’t stop people from disbelieving in him and trying to kill him.

 

[Abu Zakariya]

Re: What miricles did the prophet perform?

jitty

The reason for the battles was because muslims were being persecuted. Forcing someone to accept islam had nothing to do with it.

Here is one of the proofs that force conversions didn't take place:

Umm al-Muhajir said that she was one of the captives among the girl-slaves of Rome. Sayyidna Usmaan (Uthman) رضى الله عنه asked them to accept Islaam. She and one another woman were the only ones to accept it. (Source: Al Adab Al Mufrad, al-Bukhari)

You are, by the way, running away from my question. Where does it say in the Qur'an that the one that tries to change the Qur'an is to be killed?
Do you expect us to have any sense of respect towards you when you lie and try to run away?

As for the battles, here's an explanation: http://www.load-islam.com/c/Islam/JihadExplanation

And as for the hadith that you quoted and, in generall, jihad in islam and verses of the Qur'an and narrations of the Prophet pertaining to it, see this:
http://www.load-islam.com/c/rebuttals/Misquoted

Please, read these texts so you can understand what jihad is, before you accuse the Prophet of forcing people to convert to islam.

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

Re: What miricles did the prophet perform?

So non believers did not have to pay tax?

yes they did have to pay taxes. Let me explain what they were. The muslims pay "Zakat" which goes toward the poor and needy of the Islamic State. The non muslims who are living in our state are under our rule, therefore they are under our protection. Therefore they pay the same amount that the muslims pay in Zakat, but the money they pay goes to the Government that is protecting them. That is called "Jizyah". The non-muslims are not being oppressed in anyway becuase the Muslims and non-muslims are paying the same amount of money, that is 2.5% of total saving in the year. Only difference is where the money is going.

Jizyah: a tax paid by non-Muslims living in a Muslim State. Since the non-Muslims are exempt from military service and taxes imposed on Muslims, they must pay this tax to compensate. It guarentees them security and protection. If the State cannot protect those who paid jizyah, then the amount they paid is returned to them.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/glossary/term.JIZYAH.html



PS: This thread is for discusing teh miracles of the Prophet, Please do not bring up different topics in one. You are free to start another discussion thread for it though.

 

[Safa]

Re: What miricles did the prophet perform?

Hmmm they dont look like very convincing miricles to me. Especially the first one. THe revaltion of the Koran being a miricle?

Hello jitty,

A book of principles revealed in those times is considered a miracle.
Why you ask? Principles govern ways of life, form the structure of a civilazation you might say and offers guidance. Its not something anyone can write down. Let's see you write down a principle similar to an ayah of the Quran.

If I was a disbelievr during those times, it would take much more of a genuine mircle that those decribed in your link.

In those times people who were completely against the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and were willing to kill him. Yet some of them, when they read the Quran they immediately converted to Islam.

Anyways if these miricles were so great why the fascination to convert people to islam by the sword?

If you study the history of spreading of Islam, you will know that Islam did not literally spread by the sword. Meaning people were not forced to convert to Islam. Conversion happened eventually through consideration and understanding. Only the message of Islam spread with the help of Turkish merchants back then who travelled to all parts of the conquered lands.

Surely if these miricles were so great conversion would not have been necessary and people would have converted by their own free will after seeing such greaaness.

That's exactly what happened, people converted on their own free will and not being intimitated by the Muslim rulers. The non-Muslims back then were allowed to practice their religion. The Muslims rulers were just in treating them.

As for the link you provided, there is the section that talks about migration that I mentioned earlier,
As for the battles, here's an explanation: http://www.load-islam.com/c/Islam/JihadExplanation

These early Muslims sacrificed everything for Islam. They gave up their wealth, their homes and their families, sall for the purpose of practicing the path of submission ordained by the one and only God. This was a Jihad. It was a Jihad of sacrifice, not a military expedition of any sort.

Proof of this lies in the saying of another companion, Ali ibn Abi Talib. He said, "

May Allah grant mercy to Khabab, for he entered Islam willingly, migrated obediently, and lived making Jihad".

This saying shows us that the true nature of Jihad is one of a continuous struggle to uphold turth, justice, freedom and equality. A true Muslim "lives" making Jihad.

Those who suffer such persecution are advised to make Jihad by through migration.

4:97 Lo! As for those whom the angels take (in death) while they wronged themselves, (the angels) will ask: 'In what you were engaged?' They will way: 'We were oppressed in the land.' (The angels) will say: 'Was not Allah's earth spacious that you could have migrated therein?'

2:218 Lo! Those who believe, and those who emigrate (to escape persecution) and STRIVE (JAHADU) in the way of Allah, these have hope of Allah's mercy...

So we see a Jihad in bearing persecution, and in leaving behind one's wealth, family, and home through migration.

I have to run. I will comment on other things later.

 

[safwana]

Re: What miricles did the prophet perform?

did he perform any miricles at all?

the prophet (saw) did many miracles 1 was the splliting of the moon?

Or was it all just about spreading the faith through conversion and the sword?

islam did not spread by the sword if u read the history bhind it u will never find that the prophet (saw) or the companions they oppresesd the disbelievers.

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

Re: What miricles did the prophet perform?

"I have been ordered by God to fight with people till they bear testimony to the fact that there is no God but Allah and that Mohammed is his messenger, and that they establish prayer and pay Zakat (money). If they do it, their blood and their property are safe from me" (see Bukhari Vol. I, p. 13).

Misquote!

READ MY REFUTATION HERE

In your next post I will expect a response to the above.

Regards

 

[hidden_treasure]

Re: What miricles did the prophet perform?

Just because "not even one letters been changed over 1400years" doesnt make it a miracle does it?

Its not a question of who attacked who first is it? If the prophet was so great why did he resort to violence to cause people to convert? Surely if he was so great and a messenger from god he would have used more divine techniques rather than looting caravans.

ppl converted by the sword? if every person in this world followed the true teachings of our beloved prophet (pbuh)..the world would be a better place.

It is Allah (God) who guides people to the truth. He showed ppl the true teachings of Islam through his manners, patience, honesty, wisdom and truth.

He was a sincere and noble man.

Islam is the fastest growing religion today..and let me tell you, no one is holding a sword, or any other kind of weapon to our head...we simply believe in One God...and worshipping Him alone.

 

[Hisbul_Aziz]

Re: What miricles did the prophet perform?

Just because "not even one letters been changed over 1400years" doesnt make it a miracle does it?

Its not a question of who attacked who first is it? If the prophet was so great why did he resort to violence to cause people to convert? Surely if he was so great and a messenger from god he would have used more divine techniques rather than looting caravans.

If it's not a miracle lets see u get a revalation

 

[hidden_treasure]

Re: What miricles did the prophet perform?

"I have been ordered by God to fight with people till they bear testimony to the fact that there is no God but Allah and that Mohammed is his messenger, and that they establish prayer and pay Zakat (money). If they do it, their blood and their property are safe from me" (see Bukhari Vol. I, p. 13).

Isnt it amazing how ppl relate hadeeth or a verse from the quran and come up with there own interpretations??? Dear Jitty, we (ourselves) dare not interpret the Quran or hadeeth oursleves...we go to the scholars of Islam for that.