[جوري]

I just saw a very disheartening program on Somalia.
Two children died while I was watching from diarrhea, food that comes in is being stolen and sold in the black market, everyone is carrying a gun, I don't know who is fighting whom.. patients three to a bed dying of diseases so obsolete, that if we want to see what an end stage anemia or starvation does to a human being not in theory, not in the books but in actuality we have to book a trip to Mogadishu and see it live, parents can't attend their kids funerals because they've to protect their property from looters.. what a shame..
is there no end to the suffering of people left and right?
Who is to blame here I admit I am ignorant of the situation there...
How did such a rich country of its resources become dirt poor, steeped in ignorance, violence and disease.. the three things that the prophet PBUH sought refuge from, ignorance, poverty and disease as they seem to go hand in hand..
how did the situation become this bad, what sparked this and why has it continued for twenty years that, if people make it beyond childhood this is all they know or have known.
I just saw a sheikh from Qatar perform a prayer of istisqa/ for rain and practically the whole population showed.. They seem so humble and kind but why resigned to this condition? what's going on?

 

[Cabdullahi]

Many reasons why somalia is the way it is

Tribal problems
alshabab
Countries like ethiopia, the US, and possibly some gulf nations, all play their part in destabilizing somalia.

You have to watch this video, any country can prosper when Allahs law is the only law.

[media]http://youtu.be/exfsp4-6hNo[/media]

http://youtu.be/exfsp4-6hNo

 

[جوري]

I'll watch it from my computer in shaa Allah ... Why has it escalated so much only in the past 20 yrs... People claim the groups of armed militia and vigilante justice behind this but that's not a reason or even a solution .. What I saw was disheartening ...
Thanks for the vid in advance.

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

There are parts of Somalia that are stable like somaliland. The blame is solely not on americans as some people may suggest. Somalia is so complex but when it comes down to it, it is somalis vs. Somalis. If alshaba was fighting for justice then why did they try to attack somaliland, a stable part of somalia?

I believe it was 23 or 24 years ago when the war started? 1988?

 

[جوري]

I am trying to understand the situation there better .. May Allah swt rectify their affairs it's unbelievable what they've to Live with and through. May Allah swt reward their patience and replace their very bad condition for what's best.

 

[Banu_Hashim]

There's no proper govt. There's al-shabaab who are very tribal and run the south as i understand it with a very my way or the highway sort of attitude. There's internal struggle and no unification. al-shabbab wont accept any external help because they always suspect them t beo invading the country or something like that. The only growth i've heard about is that of expatriate Somalis re-investing in land, particularly Somaliland.

 

[Banu_Hashim]

I am trying to understand the situation there better .. May Allah swt rectify their affairs it's unbelievable what they've to Live with and through. May Allah swt reward their patience and replace their very bad condition for what's best.

Ameen! Unfortunately it is the masses suffering through no fault of their own

 

[Ali_008]

Many Somalis fly over to where I live for education. They are friendly folk, and don't cause any problem to anyone. In fact, every Ramadan all of them observe itikaf for the last 10 days. I have stood next to them in taraweeh prayers because of this, and it is unbelievable the amount of tears they shed when the Imam mentions "Somalia" in the dua. Just hearing it makes you emotional. And it seems like it is habitual in them to cry during dua, because they cry even when Syria, Egypt, and Libya were mentioned during last Ramadan, but it is the mention of "Sumaal" that breaks all barriers for them. I feel so terrible for myself when I look at them because I can't cry during dua.

 

[Abz2000]

One thing that the U.S. and UN never appreciated was that, as they escalated the level of murder and mayhem, they increased the determination of Somalis to resist and fight back. By the time of the 3 October battle, literally every inhabitant of large areas of Mogadishu considered the UN and U.S. as enemies, and were ready to take up arms against them. People who ten months before had welcomed the U.S. Marines with open arms were now ready to risk death to drive them out. The Americans’ inability to tolerate casualties, especially when televised, and their even greater inability to tolerate captive American soldiers, meant that the Somalis had leverage over the U.S. disproportionate to their military capabilities.

http://hornofafrica.ssrc.org/de_Waal3/printable.html


Massacre in Mogadishu—war crime made in the USA
By Bill Van Auken
28 April 2007
The brutal military siege against the Somali capital of Mogadishu constitutes a war crime for which the US government bears the principal responsibility.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/apr2007/moga-a28.shtml


The details in the first link give us a picture of the un we NEVER see in the news

Here's an excerpt:

When pilot Michael Durant was captured, General Aidid turned the tables on his adversaries. The U.S. forces called a truce, and called Ambassador Robert Oakley, whose policy had been to appease Aidid, back to Somalia. He told the cautiously triumphant General what would happen if Michael Durant was not released:
This is not a threat. I have no plan for this and I’ll do everything I can to prevent it, but what will happen if a few weeks go by and Mr. Durant is not released? Not only will you lose any credit you may get now, but we will decide that we have to rescue him. I guarantee you that we are not going to pay or trade for him in any way, shape or form…

So what we’ll decide is we have to rescue him, and whether we have the right place or the wrong place, there’s going to be fight with your people. The minute the guns start again, all restraint on the U.S. side goes. Just look at the stuff coming in here now. An aircraft carrier, tanks, gunships…. This whole part of the city will be destroyed, men, women, children, camels, cats, dogs, goats, donkeys, everything…. That would be really tragic for all of us, but that’s what will happen........
.......Dr. Mohamed Fuji, the medical director of Digfer, who had been working—like all his staff—as an unpaid volunteer for almost three years, noted that during this time they had received no assistance from the UN. The first UN matériel that arrived in Mogadishu’s largest hospital were the rockets. ‘This was not the reward we were expecting for our work’, he commented.21

Whatever the truth of the matter, the incident required investigation. When on 10 July I questioned a U.S. military attorney about the legality of the attack, his first response was that the UN is not a signatory to the Geneva Conventions and hence not bound by them.22 I objected to this obvious dodge, and he quickly added that the U.S. forces felt themselves morally bound by them. He asked me to return the next day. But the next day, the UN issued instructions for my arrest and detention.23 In the event, the atmosphere of Mogadishu had turned so ugly that I left town that same day. And with regard to the Digfer attack, a UN officer stated that ‘the normal rules of engagement do not apply in this situation’.24

 

[Muhaba]

a lot of places today, esp in Africa and South America have government placed by USA. These governments don't care about the public. they only care about themselves and their pockets (bank accounts). while the country gets poorer (GDP falls), the govt officials get richer. of course they aren't going to do anything for the country. why do anything for the country when they can take the money for themselves. so there's corruption in these sort of places. (and remember, public safety and health costs money. instead of putting money int public needs, the money goes to the officials' bank accounts.

i'll post something i read in a book insha-Allah.

 

[جوري]

They obviously don't have to come out and say ''Hey world, you're under occupation'- They've strategically divided it amongst themselves affording the natives nothing the same as they've done to the indigenous population of Australia and the U.S. They've placed puppet Govt. are ensuring that any form of resistance is exterminated & so terribly maligned and eventually haunted by the locals as it makes their job and haunting easier unless of course it can be done to rid them of some of the ones considered undesirable in their own population like blacks and Hispanics, generally any minority they deem worthless and the white trash amidst them who live in trailer parks and can go sniping 300 at a time thinking the others are savages.
We're faced with two problems.
1- We're not unified on one heart and we should be.. and many in our midst are ignorant especially of religion and politics.
2- How do we combat this for in the time we're working on trifles they've managed a mammoth size plan against us!

 

[Abz2000]

How do we combat this for in the time we're working on trifles they've managed a mammoth size plan against us!

we study seerah and understand and reflect on the situations the Prophet pbuh and the rightly guided caliphs went through, evaluate wots at hand currently and try to understand what mentality they would have approached it with, read the quran ourselves in the languages we understand, make our hearts firm on the truth - even unto death, do our part.
and know that as long as we try and are sincere, Allah knows their plots beforehand (and it's bigger than a mammoth) and has Promised victory to His servants. the time is approaching fast.

Also hijrah for those who are able, and are willing to take the risk of being bombed, because people from every walk of life are needed to rebuild the sleeping giant.
yes, they may harm us badly, and Allah may later gather the believers out of the nations where they were safe, but hey, maybe they'll die in those nations while living in fitnah, wot's better? to be prepared to give in Allah's cause, or to be timid in the land of fitnah of faith, and hope the victory comes before you die - while others strive???

"And ye dwelt in the dwellings of men who wronged their own souls; ye were clearly shown how We dealt with them; and We put forth (many) parables in your behoof!"

Mighty indeed were the plots which they made,
but their plots were (well) within the sight of Allah,
even though they were such as to shake the hills!

Never think that Allah would fail his Messengers in His promise:
for Allah is Exalted in power, - the Lord of Retribution.

Quran 14:45-47

 

[Muhaba]

we stick to the Quran & Sunnah, study the commentary as the Quran has everything in it and is the Criterion & We preach to nonmuslims to make as many convert as possible & we preach to Muslims to make them better & real Muslims.

When the Prophet (SAW) was in Makkah, all around him were idolators who weren't happy with the new religion and were always looking for ways to wipe out the few Muslims. and there were so few muslims compared to the idolators. What did Prophet Muhammad do? He simply preached. and so did the other muslims. everyone who converted preached. If there was someone who converted from a different tribe , the Prophet (SAW) told him to preach to his tribe.

in such a way, the message of Islam spread.

even after the Prophet (SAW) migrated, they continued to preach. when the treaty of Hudaybiyyah was done and it was agreed that there would be no battle between the Makkan idolators and the Muslims, the Muslims were happy because this treaty gave them time to preach. And this treaty was called "Manifest Victory" (Surah Fatah)

And within just a few years, islam spread to all of Arabia.

so preaching is so important.

check out:Olympics Dawah http://www.wamy.co.uk/index.php?sub=subpage&mod=links&n=4&lid=76

 

[جوري]

We preach to nonmuslims to make as many convert as possible

I don't agree with this, I think that's where the problem lies.. People who worship on the cusp and with no understanding!

 

[Abz2000]

I don't agree with this, I think that's where the problem lies.. People who worship on the cusp and with no understanding!

sis, it's not our job to make sure they are perfect, but it is our job to give them the message.
there were many on the verge even in the Prophet pbuh's time
so much so that some tribes apostated at the idea of paying zakah to Abu Bakr thinking that the power of khilafah had waned at the passing away of the Prophet pbuh.

it didn't make him (the Prophet pbuh) repulse them for their ignorance,
he would even send his most learned companions to teach them Islam.

"Go, both of you, to Pharaoh, for he has indeed transgressed all bounds;
"But speak to him mildly; perchance he may take warning or fear ((Allah))."
Quran 20:43-44

It is in the nature of most human beings, to become defensive if you reproach them too much,
sometimes encouragement for their good points is required too.

here's something we had above our mantelpiece when we were little (but dad would still belt us if we got out of line )

If children live with criticism, they learn to condemn.
If children live with hostility, they learn to fight.
If children live with fear, they learn to be apprehensive.
If children live with pity, they learn to feel sorry for themselves.
If children live with ridicule, they learn to feel shy.
If children live with jealousy, they learn to feel envy.
If children live with shame, they learn to feel guilty.
If children live with encouragement, they learn confidence.
If children live with tolerance, they learn patience.
If children live with praise, they learn appreciation.
If children live with acceptance, they learn to love.
If children live with approval, they learn to like themselves.
If children live with recognition, they learn it is good to have a goal.
If children live with sharing, they learn generosity.
If children live with honesty, they learn truthfulness.
If children live with fairness, they learn justice.
If children live with kindness and consideration, they learn respect.
If children live with security, they learn to have faith in themselves and in those about them.
If children live with friendliness, they learn the world is a nice place in which to live.

 

[جوري]

he would even send his most learned companions to teach them Islam.

That's the problem ain't it? We don't have learned people to take care of the ignorant.. We've the blind leading the blind so how does that work?

 

[Abz2000]

That's the problem ain't it? We don't have learned people to take care of the ignorant.. We've the blind leading the blind so how does that work?

then please lead the way ma'am

but go easy on us frail and tender students, otherwise we may not enjoy lessons.

i used to hate chemistry just coz of the teacher.

 

[جوري]

then please lead the way ma'am

but go easy on us frail students, otherwise we won't enjoy lessons

Why would I want to do that when I have already displayed disinterest? I think I amply stated that my desire is to perfect the self not squander effort to people on the cusp. Should I leave the gate open to go after the strays and risk losing what exists of the flock?

 

[Abz2000]

Why would I want to do that when I have already displayed disinterest? I think I amply stated that my desire is to perfect the self not squander effort to people on the cusp. Should I leave the gate open to go after the strays and risk losing what exists of the flock?

nope, but there's no harm in trying to avoid casualties

Anas bin Malik (radhiallâhu anhu) narrated that the Prophet (sallallâhu ‘alayhi wasallam) said,
“Make things easy for the people, and do not make it difficult for them,
and make them calm (with glad tidings) and do not repulse (them).”
(Bukhâri,8/146)​

ok, back to topic!!!!

i don't wanna get on the wrong side of u anyways lol
i know wot ur capable of sis........ :raging:

(....cowers from skillet)

 

[Muhaba]

That's the problem ain't it? We don't have learned people to take care of the ignorant.. We've the blind leading the blind so how does that work?

Please don't be so discouraging. When a person would become Muslim, Prophet Muhammad (SAW) would right away tell them to preach to his tribe. He didn't wait until the person was well-learned about Islam. everyone preached right from the beginning. of course they were true Muslims who learned straight from the Prophet, but even so, they started preaching right away.

now we have many who know at least the basics about the faith of Islam so they can preach.

But now preaching is even easier than in the past. all that are needed are dedicated people to do the job. (but as the Prophet (SAW) had already told us, the hearts are not the same, so we have even the likes of you posting discouraging statements. I am astonished!). all they have to do is print out pre-made leaflets (or get them from organizations like WAMY) and give them out to people.

see me thread http://www.islamicboard.com/general/134313802-olympics-dawah.html for more information on how you can do dawah.