Who am I to Allah and Jesus?

[Redeemed]

There are that many preachers and or pastors preaching the gospel that are so unsettled in the faith that would revert to another religion. You are probably thinking that could happen to me. If you are, you are probably right. That is why I cannot tackle this thing on my own. I spent some time away getting prayed up. I plan on doing some more praying and getting prayer support, because this thing is stronger than I can imagine, but make no mistake about it. Islam is strengthening me to walk closer than ever before with Jesus. As I have mention, Jesus needs to tell me He doesn't want to be the object of my adoration. As it stands, I adore Him and worship Him with all my heart. He said that I am His gift from God. In other words, God gave me to Him. Jesus is actually holding my heart in His hand. But not only me, but also all who love His appearing. Jesus said, “I give eternal life.” (Jn.10) Only God can do that. The Jews wanted to stone Jesus for making Himself out to be God. Jesus response was, “Is it not written in your law that cannot be changed that I said (Jesus), ‘"You are gods"’ how can you then say of me whom the Father has sanctified and sent into the world "You are blaspheming, because I said "I am the Son of God?" Believe my works if not me, so you will know that the Father is in me and I in Him. (John 10: 22-42)
Jesus admits that He was going to die. He said, “I lay down my life and take it back I have authority to do this.” According to His own words He was to die and did rise again. Even Isaiah 53 speaks of Jesus being offered up as a sacrifice for our sins and transgressions. This is very clear to me. Even when Moses lifted up the serpent in the wildness the Israelites looked at it to be healed. That serpent represented Jesus who became sin for us and who would later on be lifted up as a sin offering like ancient Jewish custom. You know that. Even when God told Moses to strike the rock it represented Jesus who was to be smitten and out of Him would come living water. Later the Children of God got thirsty again and God told Moses to speak to the Rock, but he did not obey. God rebuked him for failing to sanctify Him before the congregation. He wanted Moses to speak and not smite the rock again, because the significance is that Jesus only needed to be smitten once on the cross; after that, we speak to the Rock of our salvation and living water. The Bible says He is the Rock and the Chief Corner Stone that the builders rejected. If I am mistaken for worshipping Jesus, the worse that could happen to me is that Jesus will tell me not to do that, but what will happen to those that say he is only a prophet that didn’t die and rise from the dead like He said would happen. That is tantamount to some one calling the President of a country a Private in the Army. In fact, it is much, much worse than that. `It was commanded that the angles who are greater that us worship the Son. Of the angles God says, He who makes his angels winds, and ministers a fiery flame, But to the Son, Thy throne O God is for ever and ever....” Allah is calling Jesus God. If Allah calls Him God who am I not too????? (Heb 1)

 

[Abdul Fattah]

HI alapiana1
You mind If I ask you out of curiosity, how does Islam strengthen you to walk closer to Jesus (peace and blessings be upon him).

As for what you said here:

If I am mistaken for worshipping Jesus, the worse that could happen to me is that Jesus will tell me not to do that

I thought I should warn you, according to the Islamic faith, worshipping others beside God is a braech of tawheed and a very big sin. So from that point of view, the worst that could happen is not that you're told not to do it. But the worst that could happen is hell. For apointing deitys besides God, which neither God, nor Jesus (peace be upon him) instructed us to do. This is off course from our point of view, and I understand if you disagree. Just thought I'd add my two cents.

May God, the most exalted and high guide you on the straight path, the pure religion, like the faith of Abraham (peace be upon him).

 

[Woodrow]

I can appreciate your views. I imagine this is a very trying time for you. All I can say is to follow the will of Allah(swt) His plans for you will be seen, I am certain you have strong love for Allah(swt) and all you can do is let that love guide you.

I would like to address a few of your comments as how I see them.

but make no mistake about it. Islam is strengthening me to walk closer than ever before with Jesus. As I have mention, Jesus needs to tell me He doesn't want to be the object of my adoration. As it stands, I adore Him and worship Him with all my heart. He said that I am His gift from God.

You will probably disagree with me on this. but as a Muslim I feel very close to Isa(as) and I do hope I walk on the same path he walked. Isa(as) was very much of a guide to show us the path and truth to Allah(swt) His Adoration of Allah(swt) is beyond reproach and we would do well to follow his guidance.

If I am mistaken for worshipping Jesus, the worse that could happen to me is that Jesus will tell me not to do that,

Isa(as) was a man and as a man he has no power to come and tell you not to do that. However, while he walked the Earth He instructed people to worship Allah(swt). The worse thing that can happen is that you will be placing a man as an equal to Allah(swt) and not worshiping Allah(swt) It may not be a nice task on judgement day to tell Allah(swt) that you did not worship him, but you did worship a man.

 

[MustafaMc]

There are that many preachers and or pastors preaching the gospel that are so unsettled in the faith that would revert to another religion. You are probably thinking that could happen to me. If you are, you are probably right.

Actually, you seem quite strong in your faith and very sincere. I admire you for that.

Islam is strengthening me to walk closer than ever before with Jesus.

Forgive me if I am wrong, but I interpret this comment is due to the theological opposition from Muslims such as myself. Perhaps, the stronger the opposition, the more you rely upon your faith.

As I have mention, Jesus needs to tell me He doesn't want to be the object of my adoration. As it stands, I adore Him and worship Him with all my heart.

I agree with the comments from the previous 2 posts that this is a very serious comment. I am sure that the flip side for Muslims to deny the Sonship of Jesus is just as serious a comment to you.

If I am mistaken for worshipping Jesus, the worse that could happen to me is that Jesus will tell me not to do that, but what will happen to those that say he is only a prophet that didn’t die and rise from the dead like He said would happen.

I believe that you understand from the Islamic perspective the consequences for worshipping Jesus instead of, or along with the One God, Allah (swt) is most serious.

Peace and may God guide us to the Truth.

 

[Redeemed]

HI alapiana1
You mind If I ask you out of curiosity, how does Islam strengthen you to walk closer to Jesus (peace and blessings be upon him).

As for what you said here:

I thought I should warn you, according to the Islamic faith, worshipping others beside God is a braech of tawheed and a very big sin. So from that point of view, the worst that could happen is not that you're told not to do it. But the worst that could happen is hell. For apointing deitys besides God, which neither God, nor Jesus (peace be upon him) instructed us to do. This is off course from our point of view, and I understand if you disagree. Just thought I'd add my two cents.

May God, the most exalted and high guide you on the straight path, the pure religion, like the faith of Abraham (peace be upon him).

I can truly appreciate your heart felt concern. that is why this is so difficult for me. I pray to God like Jesus said to do, but I see Jesus as not another God but an extension of Him. What you say sounds very scary and dangerous. I do not to offend God, but I am a prisoner of Christ, and I can't set myself free of Him because I believe He is the way the truth and the life. If I didn't believe that, I would leave, but He is all I know of that has the words of eternal life.

 

[Woodrow]

I can truly appreciate your heart felt concern. that is why this is so difficult for me. I pray to God like Jesus said to do, but I see Jesus as not another God but an extension of Him. What you say sounds very scary and dangerous. I do not to offend God, but I am a prisoner of Christ, and I can't set myself free of Him because I believe He is the way the truth and the life. If I didn't believe that, I would leave, but He is all I know of that has the words of eternal life.

As Muslims we do believe he was given the words of eternal life and that he did all he could to share them with all of mankind. But, mankind did not listen and only saved the words of the witnesses, which were not the word of God(swt) nor inspired. We do not know what if any of those witness accounts are true without having the words of the Injil that was given to Isa(as). As Muslims we believe it would have been similar to the Qur'an, but written for the people of that time and location. Which is why we do accept as true that which does not contradict the Qur'an.

 

[Abdul Fattah]

I can truly appreciate your heart felt concern. that is why this is so difficult for me. I pray to God like Jesus said to do, but I see Jesus as not another God but an extension of Him. What you say sounds very scary and dangerous. I do not to offend God, but I am a prisoner of Christ, and I can't set myself free of Him because I believe He is the way the truth and the life. If I didn't believe that, I would leave, but He is all I know of that has the words of eternal life.

I understand the difficulty of your dilemma. Ask your self this. Is it possible that every time a prayer of you got answered, that every time you were guided and helped, that it was God who did it "despite" your (from our opinion wrongfull) worship of Jesus (peace be upon him). Just because you interpreted it as being an answer from Jesus (peace be upon him) doesn't mean that it actually was such a case. You even call yourself a prisoner. But can you assert with certainty that these feelings and experiences of events that you have gathered aren't a wrongful interpretation of what really happened? We could go into a deep theological discussion about what jesus (peace be upon him) said and didn't said. We could talk about the different denominations about unitarians and about christian history. But I think that would do neither of us any good, would it?

No, the best advice I can give you, if you are in doubt:
Don't believe us. Don't believe your priest either. Go to the source yourself. Ask God the most exalted and praiseworthy. Ask to the one that created you and sustains you, pray and ask: "guide me". Ask God: "Whichever is best for me and most righteous to you, guide me to it."

Oh, and sorry if my answers come across as judgmental or "strong". It is not my intention to be condescending either. But then again, I think your previous post showed that you understand me quite well. May God guide us all.

 

[Redeemed]

I understand the difficulty of your dilemma. Ask your self this. Is it possible that every time a prayer of you got answered, that every time you were guided and helped, that it was God who did it "despite" your (from our opinion wrongfull) worship of Jesus (peace be upon him). Just because you interpreted it as being an answer from Jesus (peace be upon him) doesn't mean that it actually was such a case. You even call yourself a prisoner. But can you assert with certainty that these feelings and experiences of events that you have gathered aren't a wrongful interpretation of what really happened? We could go into a deep theological discussion about what jesus (peace be upon him) said and didn't said. We could talk about the different denominations about unitarians and about christian history. But I think that would do neither of us any good, would it?

No, the best advice I can give you, if you are in doubt:
Don't believe us. Don't believe your priest either. Go to the source yourself. Ask God the most exalted and praiseworthy. Ask to the one that created you and sustains you, pray and ask: "guide me". Ask God: "Whichever is best for me and most righteous to you, guide me to it."

Oh, and sorry if my answers come across as judgmental or "strong". It is not my intention to be condescending either. But then again, I think your previous post showed that you understand me quite well. May God guide us all.

If you only knew me before I gave my heart to God, you would see the change in my life now. My being a slave to Christ as made me free from the power of sin. It has also made me a friend of God. I am not a nominal Christian; I am a disciple of Christ. I follow Him and pray to God the way He says. The Jesus you know and speak of as a prophet is not the same one I follow. My Jesus is different. The one I follow and know holds all things together by the word of His power. Our God is a Spirit and our Creator is His word. He is a Spirit, and He is Holy that is why we Christians believe He is the Holy Spirit. Jesus is His Word. To man this is a hard saying and impossibility, but with God all things are possible. There is only one God. How could I become anything else when I believe that having Christ is to have life, and to know Him is to have eternal life. I care about you as a brother of humanity, and there isn't anything I wouldn't for you to see things the way I do or better yet the way that God does. I have cried out to God many times, and He has given me a heavenly vision of what it is like to be one with Him through His Son, but you will tell me that I am committing the unpardonable sin because I believe what Jesus said and not untruth about Him and what He said. I can read I know what He said. What will happen to those who reject His words, as not being truth when they find out they were God’s words. Will you still deny Him is honor as Son and says it is a lie when He tells you face-to-face "I am?"

 

[Abdul Fattah]

Well You do realise I could just as easely turn the tables on this? Most of the arguments you use are double cutting swords. I geuss the only thing left now is to agree to disagree.

 

[snakelegs]

i think muslims and christians will never agree on this - they simply cannot and, as abdul fattah says, you both will just have to accept this.
but i wanted to say that this is an unusual thread - i think the discussion has been very sincere on both sides, and refreshingly free of assault on each other's religion.
:thumbs_up

 

[Umar001]

Jesus will tell me not to do that

Jesus will say this, whether you can hear it now or whether some other force is blocking your ears;

Never did I say to them aught except what You (The Main God) did command me to say: 'Worship Allāh (The Main God), my Lord and your Lord.' And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a Witness to all things.​

Jesus will say it, and on that day you will know it, and how sad shall the faces be of those who worked in vain in this world, praying and fasting but devoting those acts to the wrong authority, toiling hard whilst knowing that they are placing their faith in a place where it should not be placed.

And how clearly will you see and hear, the Day when you will appear before The God Jesus prayed to! woe unto those who hear but hear not and see but see not from the meeting of a great Day with their Lord.

 

[Redeemed]

i think muslims and christians will never agree on this - they simply cannot and, as abdul fattah says, you both will just have to accept this.
but i wanted to say that this is an unusual thread - i think the discussion has been very sincere on both sides, and refreshingly free of assault on each other's religion.
:thumbs_up

I appreciate your comment, and I notice that too. It is great when that happens. Let's do continue to deep this spirit of dialogue.

 

[Redeemed]

Jesus will say this, whether you can hear it now or whether some other force is blocking your ears;

Never did I say to them aught except what You (The Main God) did command me to say: 'Worship Allāh (The Main God), my Lord and your Lord.' And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a Witness to all things.​

Jesus will say it, and on that day you will know it, and how sad shall the faces be of those who worked in vain in this world, praying and fasting but devoting those acts to the wrong authority, toiling hard whilst knowing that they are placing their faith in a place where it should not be placed.

And how clearly will you see and hear, the Day when you will appear before The God Jesus prayed to! woe unto those who hear but hear not and see but see not from the meeting of a great Day with their Lord.

I guess what it comes down to is what we believe. If I thought the Bible wasn't true to the spirit of what it states explicitly and implicitly or from what I can infer that Of course there would be no reason to follow it I would probably be agnostic in that case, but I have also believed in God and prayed fro Him to reveal Himself to me some how. What I got was the message I shared. I must have the faith to believe that when I pray to God for a fish that He is not going to give me a serpent and If I ask for bread He will not give me a rock. Jesus said I am the bread of life. If you eat of this bread you will not go hungry. I have tasted and seen that the Lord is good. That is why I do not hungry for anything else. It took faith on my part to experience this. Without faith it is impossible to please God. Those that come to Him must believe that He is and is a rewarded of those who diligently seek Him. I have experience those rewards. That is why I cannot be snatch out of His hand.

 

[Redeemed]

Well You do realise I could just as easely turn the tables on this? Most of the arguments you use are double cutting swords. I geuss the only thing left now is to agree to disagree.

I can agree to disagree, but as long as there is life, there is hope. I will still always look for a way to share truth whether it is accepted or rejected. I care too much to stop trying to share what I consider to be very good news.

 

[Muslim Woman]

I seek refuge in Allah (The One God) from the Satan (devil) the cursed, the rejected

With the name of ALLAH (swt) -The Bestower Of Unlimited Mercy, The Continously Merciful


Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh (May the peace, mercy and blessings of Allah be upon you)


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useful links:


SIMILARITIES BETWEEN ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY

by Dr. Zakir Naik


http://www.irf.net/irf/comparativereligion/index.htm


CONCLUSION

(a) If Christian is a person who follows the teachings of Christ (pbuh) and not one who worships Christ (pbuh). (We are more Christian than the Christians themselves)



(b) Muslim is a person who submits his will to Allah ( God Almighty )

Jesus (pbuh) said, "not my will but thy will be done." i.e. Muslim. John 5:30


http://www.islam101.com/religions/christianity/similarities.htm

 

[Redeemed]

I seek refuge in Allah (The One God) from the Satan (devil) the cursed, the rejected

With the name of ALLAH (swt) -The Bestower Of Unlimited Mercy, The Continously Merciful


Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh (May the peace, mercy and blessings of Allah be upon you)


&&&

useful links:


SIMILARITIES BETWEEN ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY

by Dr. Zakir Naik


http://www.irf.net/irf/comparativereligion/index.htm


CONCLUSION

(a) If Christian is a person who follows the teachings of Christ (pbuh) and not one who worships Christ (pbuh). (We are more Christian than the Christians themselves)



(b) Muslim is a person who submits his will to Allah ( God Almighty )

Jesus (pbuh) said, "not my will but thy will be done." i.e. Muslim. John 5:30


http://www.islam101.com/religions/christianity/similarities.htm

You believe that Jesus is a prophet. Will you follow his teachings? If you do, would that make you a Christian?

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

You believe that Jesus is a prophet. Will you follow his teachings? If you do, would that make you a Christian?

JESUS (p) taught us to worship ONE God only . JESUS (p) declared that God is greater than all. YES , of course i believe in his teaching & that makes me a Muslim ( surrendered to One God ).

 

[Redeemed]

Salaam/peace;





JESUS (p) taught us to worship ONE God only . JESUS (p) declared that God is greater than all. YES , of course i believe in his teaching & that makes me a Muslim ( surrendered to One God ).

I have no trouble agreeing with that!!

 

[Woodrow]

You will find many Christian reverts say that it was after reverting to Islam they became true Christians in the way Allah(swt) wanted. Muslims do have very deep love for Isa(as).

By understanding that he was a true prophet(PBUH), we come to discover that we can love him in the way we were intended to. The truth is so much more beautiful, than the errors. Isa(as) gave the word as to how people should follow Allah(swt), but the people failed to follow what he said and came to worship what was said about him while forgetting to worship Allah(swt)

 

[MustafaMc]

I can agree to disagree, but as long as there is life, there is hope. I will still always look for a way to share truth whether it is accepted or rejected. I care too much to stop trying to share what I consider to be very good news.

This indicates that the flow of truth in this thread has been unidirectional and coming only from your posts. I think that each person in this thread could have written the exact same message with the Muslims implying that the flow of truth was actually in the reverse direction. But that is just my opinion.