Why are there more women in hell than men?

[MustafaMc]

So women cant even agrue with him over money? So the husband get to do whatever he wants? And does this mean men are angels sent from above?

Assalamu alaikum, the husband and wife should discuss large purchases and strive to come to an agreement. I don't believe that the husband should buy whatever he wants without regard for the family's needs. If the wife does not work outside the home, then he should provide her with an allowance for discretionary spending on what she wants. He should not be ignorant and inconsiderate of her wants and desires within reason, that is.

 

[cOsMiCiNtUiTiOn]

Asalaam Aleikum,

you know, when hadith and Quran are quoted on their own without anything else to back it up( no tafseer etc), it makes me cringe. This topic is always a big deal among women, because somebody always finds a way to just plaster it without thinking of the effects. Do we know from this original post WHEN the prophet (saw) said this and whom he was referring to? NO. That was not provided, and of course those individuals who do not have sufficient knowledge on this topic can only assume and interpret with limitation. It is a fitnah to do such a thing.

Thank you for your question. It is certainly an important one.
I have not been able to find a satisfactory explanation for this hadith. I pray that one of our esteemed scholars will offer us a new perspective on this hadith, especially since many non-Muslims like to cite this hadith as evidence that Islam discriminates against women.
I would caution against interpreting this hadith at face value for the simple reason that the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, was famous for his kind and equitable treatment of women. Therefore, for him to make a blanket statement about women's supposed inferiority requires some amount of interpretive flexibility on our part. For those who would accuse us of being apologists for the hadith, I would respond that every religious tradition has texts which appear to privilege men over women. The challenge for believers in modern times is to discover new interpretive possibilities for these texts.
What I find especially fascinating about this hadith is what emerges when you read between the lines. Was the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, alluding to a certain group of women? Could this have been a wake-up call for women who were slacking in their deen?
I don't believe that we can take one hadith and jump to the conclusion that the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, was saying that women are created inferior.
http://spa.qibla.com/issue_view.asp?HD=3&ID=9406&CATE=375

“Less intelligent” than men

"O women! I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you” (Bukhari).

Before the advent of Islam women were not educated and so the statement was most correct. If it was the norm of Islam, A’ishah, the wife of the Prophet, could not have been said to be the most knowledgeable in Islam by the male companions.

Dr. Zahid Aziz says:

As to "less intelligent", since literacy among women was very much lower than men at that time (and it still is in many countries), they would appear to be less intelligent. So the Holy Prophet would only be referring to a fact applicable to the people he was addressing. It doesn't mean that it is a "teaching" of Islam or that it is an unchangeable, permanent and universal state of affairs.

In the time of the second caliph Umar, when a woman publicly corrected him on a point of law, he admitted his error and said: "The women of this city are more intelligentthan I am."

It is accepted by all (Sunni) Muslims that Umar could not possibly contradict the Holy Prophet (or the Holy Quran). The fact that Umar accepted correction from a woman and said women of this city are more intelligent than I am, is a very clear indication that the Holy Prophet could never have regarded women as of inferior intelligence.
https://sites.google.com/site/sunrisinginwest/islam/women-in-islam/verses-taken-out-of-context

As far as more women being in hellfire than men. If you do your research you will see that, there are more women than men on this earth (remember in Islam, polygamy is allowed, there are many reasons why). One of the end time prophecies is that one man will have to provide for 50 women in the end times. The birth rate of girld over boys is very high at this time as well. In my family just as an example, the last 7 children born in both sides are all girls. So it is no surprise.

Also, Does "women's liberation" and feminism ring a bell? Women themselves do not realize the great impact they have in society, too busy with their egos to realize this. Men and Women seem to have lost their God given roles in society and have gotten caught up in matters of the dunya, more than anything money.

There's a quote my dad always told me "if you want t o know the state of a people/a nation, just look at their women." It is an actual quote but I can't find it at this time. Food for thought.

- cOsMiC

 

[Aprender]

Do we know from this original post WHEN the prophet (saw) said this and whom he was referring to? NO. That was not provided, and of course those individuals who do not have sufficient knowledge on this topic can only assume and interpret with limitation. It is a fitnah to do such a thing.

EXACTLY. This is exactly what I mean.

 

[Abz2000]

also most of the time (from my experience) the men are less attached to the world, and go out to strive when necessary whereas women often seek security and don't want them to risk death.

it is a fact that men are less materialistic than women IN GENERAL, more women suffer from shopping syndrome than men.

i'm not saying though about many of the sisters i c these days, lol they seem more determined and frustrated at the situation than the men!!!

 

[TrueStranger]

also most of the time (from my experience) the men are less attached to the world, and go out to strive when necessary whereas women often seek security and don't want them to risk death.

it is a fact that men are less materialistic than women IN GENERAL, more women suffer from shopping syndrome than men.

i'm not saying though about many of the sisters i c these days, lol they seem more determined and frustrated at the situation than the men!!!

Is that why men travel hundred of miles to conquer the land, wealth, and people (women in particular) of other nations?

Wealth and power are not in the hands of women, but greedy men who love this world. I think history speaks for itself clearly.

 

[Abz2000]

lol i don't wanna start a gender war here
was just commenting on wot i observed and was giving one of the reasons i believed for there to be thagt disparity between the people of jannah and nar,please forgive me if i came across as some sort of woman hater, i love women! i want 4 if possible. i don't disrespect decent women, my wife is a woman, even my sisters are women and even my mother is a woman!

here ya go, hope it becomes clear:

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/462/

 

[جوري]

I think there is much to be said for putting old teachings into modern language and terminology.

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Isn't that the trouble with Christianity? A confused god- ineffectual apostles, self immolation after a night beseeching self & rescinding his laws of the OT by appearing to a charlatan in ghost form to modernize the language? You want that for the religion God chose for mankind? No thanks!

I found the expression 'deficient in intelligence' quite offensive. But when I think about it, I would equally find other terms offensive in other contexts - for example 'mentally retarded'. Simply because these words are not used in our modern language anymore, or they have become an insult.

ah, except it doesn't say 'deficient in intelligence' in Arabic go ahead bring Lisan AL Arab and the original Hadith and the scholars review and show me where it can be construed as you describe? Although in your case I do see the unctuous reasons for your desired rendition so where does that leave your mental status? I in fact challenge you to do the above so how about it?

Sometimes language can put us off really listening to the meaning underlying it.

I know just what you mean .. You do the same for me! I find you off putting and Tartuffey

Apologies for sounding sarcastic. I did not mean to mock the teachings of Muhammed.

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of course you did .. That's your bread and butter. Isn't that why you keep trolling back like a bad penny? We're not 'Mohammedans' oh brazen mocker of the 'teachings of Muhammad' these are the teachings for all of mankind!
And he's to be followed with pbuh - if you can't accept or follow simple forum rules and especially if you don't like 'Mohamed's teachings and don't like the members here then don't be a member here!
I think you miss the point of the forum it isn't a social call so reference yourself back to FAQ.

best,

 

[Muhammad]

Whenever we discuss a hadeeth or ayah from the Qur'an, we must strive to understand them based upon knowledge, not our own opinions and thoughts. It seems this thread is turning into a war zone so I think it is better to put it to rest. Let us remember the underlying lesson from the original post:

Our believing sisters who learn of this hadeeth should behave like those Sahaabiyaat who, when they learned of this, did good deeds which would be the means, by Allaah’s leave, of keeping them far away from being included in that majority of the inhabitants of Hell.

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