why do i have to believe?

[Alphadude]

why do i have to believe in a religion i mean any religion the reiligion was created by some inteligent people to control people for not doing bad things if there was no religion then there would be a chaos so the question remains why the miracles stoped showing up? the answer from me is bcoz poeple got inteligent the can tell between tricks and reality i mean why do i have to believe in a religion if im a good person i saw manu religious he people who do things u wont believe even imams can u believe this afcourse not but i do bcoz i seen it so there is lots of question like Why Is Religion Here? Why are people religious? Why so many people are religious — why is it the rule to be religious, blah blah blah

what a silly question! Only a zany atheist would think of asking a question with a self-evident answer: Because God is out there and made us so that we have a knowledge of His existence, you fool! And some of us revere Him, while some others, like you, have fallen into the devil’s trap. It’s so simple!But wait, I don’t think it is so simple. For one thing, the three great monotheistic religions that talk about a God who created humankind (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) emerged only in the last 4,000 years (the Jewish tribes are estimated to be at most that old, see here). But do you know for how long we humans have existed on this planet as the same species, Homo sapiens? For approximately 150,000 years!(*) How can it be that nobody was talking about God (the God) for tens, and even hundreds of thousands of years? Yes, people have always been religious, but what kind of religion did they have for almost their entire existence? For nearly 150,000 years there was no talk of God. Our hunter-gatherer ancestors believed in ghosts and ancestor spirits. If religion is here because of God, how could God allow this? What the heck was God doing during all this time that we have been around, folks? Please take a look at the following line, which shows (in blue color on the left) the approximate length of time that we have been on this planet without any notion of God as conceptualized by the monotheistic trio, compared to the length of time that the concept “God” started appearing in people’s minds (red color, on the right):
In reality, even the above drawing is flattering for monotheistic religions. The concept “God” did not appear suddenly, full-fledged in people’s minds as we know it today. The ancient Jewish God was very different from the one of the modern times: he was an anthropomorphic God. He had a thunderous voice, legs to walk with on the garden of Eden, and other bodily parts that we don’t need to mention here, lest some people might feel offended. The concept “God” evolved in the minds of believers, until we reached the God-spirit of the Christian religion in the last 2,000 years: a God who is occasionally depicted and imagined as a respectful and healthy Old Man; and the Allah of the Islamic religion in the last 1,300 years, who has no gender(*) and cannot be depicted at all. Also, humanity as a whole did not switch to the notion “one God” suddenly, 4,000 years ago; the Jews were but a minute percent of the entire human population (they still are), and it took the Christian religion and its adoption in Europe, and a bit later the Islamic religion and its adoption in the Arabic world, for the concept “one God” to take off. Even today, people in the most populous nation, China, do not believe in a monotheistic God, creator of the universe. So, if religion is here because of God, then God has created a peculiarly fragmentary and localized (both in space and in time) image of himself in people’s minds. It’s a “God with a thousand faces” that appears in the world. Why?
But my purpose is not to argue with believers. For them, all questions are answered, all cases appear closed. Believers enjoy staying in a tranquil state of mind, in which questions of fundamental importance, such as whether God exists, or whether there is an afterlife, are not asked at all. They refuse to question the very foundations of their belief system, and this is very understandable, because such questioning would put in danger the entire edifice, which they don’t want to shake and destroy. My purpose is to write down an explanatory system for the phenomenon of religion primarily for myself, because as a cognitive scientist I am very interested in understanding how the mind works, and one important property of human minds is their religious beliefs. But why did I write this web page, if I am interested in an explanation for my own satisfaction only? Because it is not productive to be talking to oneself; I need to receive feedback, primarily from those people who do not feel threatened by putting under the microscope of reason even the most basic religious assumptions.
So, certainly, under the assumption that God exists, there is hardly any question to be asked about the origin of religion (save for the objections I presented earlier — see the figure with the colored line, above — but the believer can always cop out with a “God’s ways are mysterious” retort). The question of the origin of religion becomes important only under the assumption that God is a creation of the human mind. If you are a believer and feel offended by this assumption, there is always the Back button on your browser. If you are not offended, you might either be a non-believer, or a believer who simply is curious to see how an atheist would answer the question of the origin of religion (for example, you might want to prepare yourself and gather ammunition for the next occasion a non-believer brings up this issue in a discussion).

the above text in quote was taken form here
http://www.foundalis.com/rlg/WhenceReligion.htm

the truth to be told i believe there is god but i dont believe %100 in a religion the religion could be missed up by people or 4 example there are lots of religion in the world every one thinks there own way or believe but why does it have to be religion and involve praying and if u look at it this way most religion prays deferent but they all believe in one good except buddhist or hindos.
what i realy am upto is i dont realy believe in a religion im muslim but dont believe it as mentioned above bcoz thats what i think another example my step mom prays day and night but she is the baddest person in the world i mean whats the point of praying then doing bad not just my step mom seen lots of other poeple religous people and in islam and other reiligions self harm is forbiden why? what i think is bcoz if u die maybe u go some were good maybe there is no hell at all it just to keep people at bay.

dont get me wrong but needed an answer
and yes i know u will give me good explanation and maybe this question has been asked 1000S times before still my question is a bit deferent

 

[- IqRa -]

When was the last time you read Qur'aan?

 

[zakirs]

read quran once bro it will clear it up for you.Islam was not made by some intelligent people.it is how god wants us to live.

their is a clear distinction between man made religion and islam. i hope you know it already

 

[Afg]

You believe in Allah, then you believe that this religion Islam was chosen for the Muslims. Religion is a way to guide. If you believe only in God, how to be guided? By religion that Allah sent the Prophets to teach us. We may go through a lot of trial, every moment seems like bringing us down. But InshaAllah lets all be strong. Lets not fall into any traps, the only one who will truly be happy is shaytan, and we certainly wont benefit. The miracles are everywhere, we just need to look. The Qur'an is also a miracle, and in it, many more miracles.

 

[touba]

why do i have to believe in a religion i mean any religion the reiligion was created by some inteligent people to control people for not doing bad things if there was no religion then there would be a chaos so the question remains why the miracles stoped showing up? the answer from me is bcoz poeple got inteligent the can tell between tricks and reality i mean why do i have to believe in a religion if im a good person i saw manu religious he people who do things u wont believe even imams can u believe this afcourse not but i do bcoz i seen it so there is lots of question like Why Is Religion Here? Why are people religious? Why so many people are religious — why is it the rule to be religious, blah blah blah



the above text in quote was taken form here
http://www.foundalis.com/rlg/WhenceReligion.htm

the truth to be told i believe there is god but i dont believe %100 in a religion the religion could be missed up by people or 4 example there are lots of religion in the world every one thinks there own way or believe but why does it have to be religion and involve praying and if u look at it this way most religion prays deferent but they all believe in one good except buddhist or hindos.
what i realy am upto is i dont realy believe in a religion im muslim but dont believe it as mentioned above bcoz thats what i think another example my step mom prays day and night but she is the baddest person in the world i mean whats the point of praying then doing bad not just my step mom seen lots of other poeple religous people and in islam and other reiligions self harm is forbiden why? what i think is bcoz if u die maybe u go some were good maybe there is no hell at all it just to keep people at bay.

dont get me wrong but needed an answer
and yes i know u will give me good explanation and maybe this question has been asked 1000S times before still my question is a bit deferent

You have to believe especially if you are muslim because all what Allah subhanahou wa taala said in the koran is true and thats why so many christians scientists become muslims from the koran because all what Allah SWT said in the koran exist nowdays and you can see it everywhere and everyday , Think good who create the world the sky the earth and you and everything around you and the world is Allah subhanaho wa taala and Allah SWT choose the islam for us and choose for us the beautiful wonderful messenger in the world sayyidina Mohammed SAAS and we have to believe and to follow him hamdollah . Think of the death think who will take your soul rouh is Allah and no human being can bring you to life except only Allah SWT can .dont listen to sheytan and to other stupid other religions they will burn in the hell anway so protect your self to not go with them . Allah give you hidayat inshallah

 

[touba]

why do i have to believe in a religion i mean any religion the reiligion was created by some inteligent people to control people for not doing bad things if there was no religion then there would be a chaos so the question remains why the miracles stoped showing up? the answer from me is bcoz poeple got inteligent the can tell between tricks and reality i mean why do i have to believe in a religion if im a good person i saw manu religious he people who do things u wont believe even imams can u believe this afcourse not but i do bcoz i seen it so there is lots of question like Why Is Religion Here? Why are people religious? Why so many people are religious — why is it the rule to be religious, blah blah blah



the above text in quote was taken form here
http://www.foundalis.com/rlg/WhenceReligion.htm

the truth to be told i believe there is god but i dont believe %100 in a religion the religion could be missed up by people or 4 example there are lots of religion in the world every one thinks there own way or believe but why does it have to be religion and involve praying and if u look at it this way most religion prays deferent but they all believe in one good except buddhist or hindos.
what i realy am upto is i dont realy believe in a religion im muslim but dont believe it as mentioned above bcoz thats what i think another example my step mom prays day and night but she is the baddest person in the world i mean whats the point of praying then doing bad not just my step mom seen lots of other poeple religous people and in islam and other reiligions self harm is forbiden why? what i think is bcoz if u die maybe u go some were good maybe there is no hell at all it just to keep people at bay.

dont get me wrong but needed an answer
and yes i know u will give me good explanation and maybe this question has been asked 1000S times before still my question is a bit deferent

Praying is a fard and you have to do it wether you are bad or good because you will get punishement and hissab from your sins anyway and at the end after punishement of your sins you will go inshallah to jannah im talking about muslims people only but if you dont pray and you dont believe and you do bad things thats worst then you are inviting the hell.
Some aleem are wrong sometims they lost but we shouldnt follow them , Mashallah you are muslim you can read the koran and practise you dont need any aleem it is clear hamdollah and our religion islam is very easy.

You are wrong of course there is paradaise jannah and hell jahannam and we as muslims we have advantages hamdollah and shafa3a from our prophet Mohammed SAAS and if you pray and fast and you believe to Allah and to our prophet Mohammed SAAS at least if you commited a sin you still have chance of doing touba ad even so you will get punish for your sin you still as a muslim will go to jannah inshallah and Allah knows but doesnt mean im telling you to do bad things just im explaining to you the advantage of the islam but other religious they have no chance inshallah they will burn in the hell jahannam and koran mention about it anyway.please say a3ozo biallah mina syetani arrajim and set with your self and pray and read the koran and understand it and you will know the true dont think of other people step mother and imams and other stupid religious they will have for sure a punishement but and this is important when you will die you will go to the grave by your self and nobody will be with you only your deeds so concentrate on your self and inshalah khair

 

[Abdu-l-Majeed]

why do i have to believe in a religion i mean any religion the reiligion was created by some inteligent people to control people for not doing bad things

That's not true.

if there was no religion then there would be a chaos

Khalid, you seem confused to me. Ask yourself: what's the purpose of this statement above?

The first mistake people make is generalizing the concept of religion based on some stupid assumptions, and then applying the same to all religions, including islam. Especially many atheists know a little about islam.

Secondly, people confuse causes and consequences. Islam is Allah's religion, and therefore when it's practiced it brings order and peace.

so the question remains why the miracles stoped showing up?

They aren't. Read the Qur'an. Through out these 1400 years people discovered new miracles in the Qur'an. And seconldy: some miracles are lasting.

why do i have to believe in a religion if im a good person i saw manu religious he people who do things u wont believe even imams can u believe this afcourse not but i do bcoz i seen it

1. Define a good person.
2. We believe you, there are "bad" imams. But you're bias. There are also good "imams" and good Muslims. So, why did you take the bad ones to judge islam? Why didn't you take the good one? Why didn't you notice the bad atheists, e.g. Stalin who killed 20 millions of people according to some historians? And why not noticing the greatest leaders of this ummah, when they had the chance to slay whole cities, yet, they didn't do that?

the truth to be told i believe there is god but i dont believe %100 in a religion the religion could be missed up by people

Key word: could, and not must.

or 4 example there are lots of religion in the world every one thinks there own way or believe but why does it have to be religion and involve praying and if u look at it this way most religion prays deferent but they all believe in one good except buddhist or hindos.

So do atheists believe their way is the only one OK. So does everyone, that's nothing unusual. If person A says: "I don't believe in a god, but I think person B who thinks there exists a god is right," then person A is definitely crazy. No sane person thinks in the same time in two contradictory.

Once again you tend to judge islam based on what other do. You can't do that. Islam is defined what's in the Qur'an and the Sunnah, not what's in people's heads!

another example my step mom prays day and night but she is the baddest person in the world i mean whats the point of praying then doing bad

Allah, swt, says that prayer stops one person doing bad things. If a prayer is done in the right way, then it has its effect. Otherwise not.

Etc...

 

[- IqRa -]

MashaAllaah nice reply brother.

 

[Lost&Found]

Bro, don't get caught up in all these silly atheistic traps. Don't learn about religion from them. Especially if you have weak iman. It is a trick of the shaytan.

What's wrong with learning about other people's viewpoints? :hmm:

 

[touba]

What's wrong with learning about other people's viewpoints? :hmm:

Because they are wrong and they are kafir and Allah inshallah will put them in the hell forever

 

[zakirs]

What's wrong with learning about other people's viewpoints?

its not wrong to learn other people's view points. but its not good to get confused and forget the initial goal which was set when the learning started.anyway to the thread starter "bro , take your own time and read quran to convince yourselves"

 

[Abdu-l-Majeed]

MashaAllaah nice reply brother.

Thanks, ukhtee, barakAllahu feeki.

What's wrong with learning about other people's viewpoints? :hmm:

Actually, what Khalid did is learning Islam from atheistic sources. Especially letting such childish answer and explanations influence him.

 

[Alphadude]

When was the last time you read Qur'aan?

it was long time ago and why bcoz if u seen my other post about commiting suicide u should know

That's not true.



Khalid, you seem confused to me. Ask yourself: what's the purpose of this statement above?

The first mistake people make is generalizing the concept of religion based on some stupid assumptions, and then applying the same to all religions, including islam. Especially many atheists know a little about islam.

Secondly, people confuse causes and consequences. Islam is Allah's religion, and therefore when it's practiced it brings order and peace.



They aren't. Read the Qur'an. Through out these 1400 years people discovered new miracles in the Qur'an. And seconldy: some miracles are lasting.


1. Define a good person.
2. We believe you, there are "bad" imams. But you're bias. There are also good "imams" and good Muslims. So, why did you take the bad ones to judge islam? Why didn't you take the good one? Why didn't you notice the bad atheists, e.g. Stalin who killed 20 millions of people according to some historians? And why not noticing the greatest leaders of this ummah, when they had the chance to slay whole cities, yet, they didn't do that?



Key word: could, and not must.



So do atheists believe their way is the only one OK. So does everyone, that's nothing unusual. If person A says: "I don't believe in a god, but I think person B who thinks there exists a god is right," then person A is definitely crazy. No sane person thinks in the same time in two contradictory.

Once again you tend to judge islam based on what other do. You can't do that. Islam is defined what's in the Qur'an and the Sunnah, not what's in people's heads!



Allah, swt, says that prayer stops one person doing bad things. If a prayer is done in the right way, then it has its effect. Otherwise not.

Etc...

im a litle confused yes but this question was in my mind for some time and asked this some time ago in lots of places such us this forum and some said they believe in a religion and some said it was made by inteligent people

What's wrong with learning about other people's viewpoints? :hmm:

why not? learning about other religion and knowing what right and bad is that bad afcourse not

Because they are wrong and they are kafir and Allah inshallah will put them in the hell forever

how can u know that maybe allah will forgive them and put us in hell instead why bcoz we talk bad about them.

Thanks, ukhtee, barakAllahu feeki.



Actually, what Khalid did is learning Islam from atheistic sources. Especially letting such childish answer and explanations influence him.

im not learning anything from atheist sources its just some questions in my mind and want anwser to them wether scientific or the other way

 

[MuhammadRizan]

khalid84 bro..

i don't wanna sound like psycologist here, but i gotta tell you that what you feel is absolutely normal, i dare to say that everyone for sometimes will cross to their heart about this...

open surah An-nass recite it also read the tafseer.

u will know exactly why..


-learn and ask to the right people..trust me reading is not enough.

 

[- IqRa -]

it was long time ago and why bcoz if u seen my other post about commiting suicide u should know

No wonder you are thinking like this then. Go and open up the Qur'aan, and read it with english translation, or a language you understand best.

 

[touba]

it was long time ago and why bcoz if u seen my other post about commiting suicide u should know

im a litle confused yes but this question was in my mind for some time and asked this some time ago in lots of places such us this forum and some said they believe in a religion and some said it was made by inteligent people


why not? learning about other religion and knowing what right and bad is that bad afcourse not


how can u know that maybe allah will forgive them and put us in hell instead why bcoz we talk bad about them.



im not learning anything from atheist sources its just some questions in my mind and want anwser to them wether scientific or the other way

Yes atheists and others will go to the hell they are satanic people and ideas .
Scientists people they took everything good from koran and most of them become muslims because all what happen nowdays like technology and science and others koran mention about it long long time and we are still discovering nowdays what Allah said in the koran so please wake up and say a3ozo biallah mina sheytani arrajim and pray and read koran and forget about other stupid satanic people and their satanic stupid fikir and way. Suicide is haram and thinking of it is like doing it so do touba and istighfar and i hope Allah forgive you inshallah,

If you suicide you will go to the hell jahannam and there you will suicide in the fire every minutes Allah knows .

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Read the Qur'aan and I mean sincerely...InshaAllah.

Ask Allah(swt) for guidance. InshaAllah if your sincere, He will most definitely Help you...because Allah(swt) guides those who wish to be guided and guides not those who are insincere.

All the best.

 

[Rasema]

Assalamu Alaikum

Talking to an athiest is a waste of time. They are deaf and blind.

As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe. (6) Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing And on their eyes is a veil.

ATHIESTS you do not have to believe!!!
We all have freewill.

You call us liars all you want to. The truth is that you are liars.

For example, you say that the unseen world doesn't exist. How would you know if it's an unseen world?

If my mother saiys that she saw a star somewhere, I would not believe her because it could of been anything . I would believe if an astronomist said that, that was actually a star. Same goes for the hereafter. We have prophets who all spoke the same things and God confirmed it because he is the only one who knows the unseen and thaught his prophets.

You are not a prophet so you are a liar and you have no knowledge of this.

You may ask, where are the prophets?

There were prophets time after time but Muhammad,saws, is the seal of the long line of prophets because we live at the end of times(hence, at the end of times can be gazillion years).

Evidence that He was a prophet is the Qur'an. You can say that the Qur'an is no proof but the kind of proof you're looking for would prove God.

That is why aja (verses of the Qur'an) are called ajsas(signs).

Keep in imnd that we have the chain of authority for the Qur'an. Which is something that links us back to the prophet. Chain of narrations is the only reliable way of knowing the realities of the past. It is used by historiens in all fields and not just Islam.

 

[MuhammadRizan]

to a new revert pls focus on learning first...don't involved ur'self to all the debates goin on..syeikh google is good but it can easily drown u with so much information.

learn with somebody u can talk to...prioritize what actually important for u to learn...

 

[cat eyes]

why do i have to believe in a religion i mean any religion the reiligion was created by some inteligent people to control people for not doing bad things if there was no religion then there would be a chaos so the question remains why the miracles stoped showing up? the answer from me is bcoz poeple got inteligent the can tell between tricks and reality i mean why do i have to believe in a religion if im a good person i saw manu religious he people who do things u wont believe even imams can u believe this afcourse not but i do bcoz i seen it so there is lots of question like Why Is Religion Here? Why are people religious? Why so many people are religious — why is it the rule to be religious, blah blah blah



the above text in quote was taken form here
http://www.foundalis.com/rlg/WhenceReligion.htm

the truth to be told i believe there is god but i dont believe %100 in a religion the religion could be missed up by people or 4 example there are lots of religion in the world every one thinks there own way or believe but why does it have to be religion and involve praying and if u look at it this way most religion prays deferent but they all believe in one good except buddhist or hindos.
what i realy am upto is i dont realy believe in a religion im muslim but dont believe it as mentioned above bcoz thats what i think another example my step mom prays day and night but she is the baddest person in the world i mean whats the point of praying then doing bad not just my step mom seen lots of other poeple religous people and in islam and other reiligions self harm is forbiden why? what i think is bcoz if u die maybe u go some were good maybe there is no hell at all it just to keep people at bay.

dont get me wrong but needed an answer
and yes i know u will give me good explanation and maybe this question has been asked 1000S times before still my question is a bit deferent

you are not the only muslim i have came across who feels this way.. i have came across many and do you know why? because in there free time they log into kufir websites and forums then they start talking to all different types of people with different beliefs etc and suddenly that poor soul gets hooked. they talk extremely intelligent but believe me they are far from it..

they are extremely clever because shaytaan is clever and it wouldn't suprize me if shaytaan was guiding every single one of them, taking help from the shaytaans.. they take surahs from holy quran and they cleverly twist it to make it look inaccurate and impossable to believe.

many muslims either turn to disbelief or get confused about the role of prophet jesus pbuh weather he is a son of god or is god.. it is the bigest sin which Allah will not forgive. this is what shaytaan wants to achieve!!! he wants to drag as many people down with him to the helfire as he can.. and he is slowly succeeding. these people prey on the less knowledgeable and less educated in deen... internet is a sword. use it wisely to purely look for islamic knowledge and nothing more and hang out with the right people.

you mentioned that imams are not good etc thats common these days...and it will be common in the end of times i believe the prophet pbuh mentioned something about that in the hadiths, i will try and find it inshallaah if it will clear up some of your doubts.. you need to study more.. and pray. and you know brother people who are muslim who are not good but they pray.. well wouldn't it be pretty bad if they didn't pray at all?

we have that benifit that there is a chance for us we will be forgiven as touba has said because we believe on the one true god but its not an excuse to do sins.. some muslims are weak and we can judge everybody. our duty is to warn them only and pray for them that there iman should become strong especially if they are family.