Turkey has become one of the worst places in the world for journalists, academics, and political opponents.....130,000 people have been purged from the state, and 40,000 people have been arrested, only 10,000 of which are soldiers, (for the failed turkish military coup on july 15)......these people include teachers, professors, journalists, judges, and housewives, and they have been tortured or raped (including women).......petty thieves, child molesters, rapists, and murderers have been released from prison to make room for "coup plotters" in this witch hunt.....which specifically targets members of the gulen jamaat.....which is PACIFIST and would NEVER resort to violence in the face of GENOCIDE.......erdogan sure loves to pick on and bully those who can'tfight back, but meanwhile he has been kissing up to putin, assad, netanyahu, etc......what kind of ummah is this???? just because we were once occupiers of arab land, we should have to tolerate this????? why does no one care about the oppression of uighur turks in china, in xinjiang province???? (east turkestan)...?
I dislike both guys equally but you pointed out a good point here... yes you are right on that we Turkic people speak against the oppresion in Arab lands so much but our Arabic brethren do not care the issues of Turkic people as much as we care theirs..It is always expected from us Turks to be the protector of Muslims
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Assalaamu alaikum my brothers in Islam,
(mildly) I am not Turkish. But I care about injustices and oppression... whomever they affect. (smile) And yes, I have heard of the Uighers. (twinkle) And recently, I have been perusing a book by Fethullah Gülen. I don't know if this helps at all, but please believe that there are people who care, people whom you don't know, perhaps.
May Allah, the Gentle, Ease the hearts of the suffering.
(mildly) I am not Turkish. But I care about injustices and oppression... whomever they affect. (smile) And yes, I have heard of the Uighers. (twinkle) And recently, I have been perusing a book by Fethullah Gülen. I don't know if this helps at all, but please believe that there are people who care, people whom you don't know, perhaps.
May Allah, the Gentle, Ease the hearts of the suffering.
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are you talking about the uygars in the xinxang area that china is oppressing?
No one knew about the oppression the kashmiris by the indian occupation until the pellet guns incident and anti-pallet campaign to bring it to international attention. Even Erdogan spoke out against it and justice for the Kashmiris. We need someone to bring the plight of the uygurs to the world as well. Then again the Ummah is taking a beating left and rigth, where will you focus? And sadly it will continue like that so long as Muslims have love for duniya and hate for death.
Yes that region I m talking about. The Kashmir problem has long been known and it has long been protested by turkish people I can assure you. Actually I have seen protests in Turkey for every oppresion in the muslim world allı of my life but I am just not sure if other muslims are sensitive as much as us
:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)
(Peace be upon you)
Please understand, brother, that it is not that we as Muslims don't care about oppression in Turkey or wherever else there may be. However, I agree with brother @aaj that we have so much oppression in different parts of the globe specific to Muslim communities that it is hard to know where to focus or when or how much.
Also, I don't think the Turkish people should ever apologize for the Ottoman Caliphate to the Arab world or anyone else for that matter. I know I personally have a very high opinion of the Turkish Caliphate and I'm so sorry that we don't have it any more to represent our voices as Muslims on the global stage; the fall of the Caliphate was one of the worst tragedies to happen to the Muslim world along side others and of course the worst tragedy of course is the death of Prophet :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) without whose guidance and light we're all falling short of ihsan (excellence) as Muslims.
On the recommendation of a knowledgeable and pious sheikh (may Allah bless him), I try to avoid watching any horrific videos or bad images in the parts of the world where oppression is taking place because I know that such things would absolutely break my heart. And while I do try to spread awareness of issues on the Internet or among Muslims to some degree, the truth is that since we cannot be everywhere to help or comfort those suffering, we should simply do what is in everyone's capacity which is make duas (supplication) for Allah to alleviate those from the ummah who are innocent and allow us to be with Mahdi :as: whenever that time should come upon us and to save us from all fitna whether caused by disbelievers or believers and for us to remain guided and firm on the Straight Path.
:wa: (And peace be upon you)
(Peace be upon you)Please understand, brother, that it is not that we as Muslims don't care about oppression in Turkey or wherever else there may be. However, I agree with brother @aaj that we have so much oppression in different parts of the globe specific to Muslim communities that it is hard to know where to focus or when or how much.
Also, I don't think the Turkish people should ever apologize for the Ottoman Caliphate to the Arab world or anyone else for that matter. I know I personally have a very high opinion of the Turkish Caliphate and I'm so sorry that we don't have it any more to represent our voices as Muslims on the global stage; the fall of the Caliphate was one of the worst tragedies to happen to the Muslim world along side others and of course the worst tragedy of course is the death of Prophet :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) without whose guidance and light we're all falling short of ihsan (excellence) as Muslims.
On the recommendation of a knowledgeable and pious sheikh (may Allah bless him), I try to avoid watching any horrific videos or bad images in the parts of the world where oppression is taking place because I know that such things would absolutely break my heart. And while I do try to spread awareness of issues on the Internet or among Muslims to some degree, the truth is that since we cannot be everywhere to help or comfort those suffering, we should simply do what is in everyone's capacity which is make duas (supplication) for Allah to alleviate those from the ummah who are innocent and allow us to be with Mahdi :as: whenever that time should come upon us and to save us from all fitna whether caused by disbelievers or believers and for us to remain guided and firm on the Straight Path.
:wa: (And peace be upon you)
None but only Those who were directly involved in putsch can be brought to justice. Arresting the innocent people is unlawful and a crime against humanity but who cares, this ummah is asleep
Greetings and peace be with you Mustafa16;
History just seems to keep repeating itself. My grandparents and mother were refugees from Smyrna in 1922. ( now called İzmir, Turkey. ) About 3.5 million Greeks, Armenians, and Assyrians were killed under the successive regimes of the Young Turks and of Mustafa Kemal from roughly 1914 to 1923.
We pray for justice for all people, especially the poor and oppressed.
Eric
History just seems to keep repeating itself. My grandparents and mother were refugees from Smyrna in 1922. ( now called İzmir, Turkey. ) About 3.5 million Greeks, Armenians, and Assyrians were killed under the successive regimes of the Young Turks and of Mustafa Kemal from roughly 1914 to 1923.
We pray for justice for all people, especially the poor and oppressed.
Eric
Is it really a matter of not caring? Look at how many places where oppression is openly practiced and the whole world is aware of it yet, nothing still happens. I actually wanted to talk about this in the 'other' thread but I couldn't hit the reply button quick enough before it got deleted...
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When I tried to talk about situation in Turkey at the last summer and criticize human right violations, as well agreements and co-operation of Erdogan with zionists, some members claimed it´s not right to disagree with Erdogan because he is a true Islamic leader who always defend Islamic values and have done many good decisions like women´s rights to use hijab.
For example:
Source: https://www.islamicboard.com/world-...a-turkey-5.html?highlight=erdogan#post2918316
Well, how many people his supporters have to kill or torture before people are ready to admit that also good guys can make bad things?
For example:
Source: https://www.islamicboard.com/world-...a-turkey-5.html?highlight=erdogan#post2918316
Well, how many people his supporters have to kill or torture before people are ready to admit that also good guys can make bad things?
There is oppression everywhere.
It is not that we care less about anyone or any plight in particular, we cannot care enough, the Rohingya being a sad case of affairs hitting the headlines recently. I guess we will only know what the media picks up. But the Rohingya, as I have very recently learnt, do nothing to endear themselves to anyone. I guess, being chased out for hundreds of years can make a community not so friendly..
It is not that we care less about anyone or any plight in particular, we cannot care enough, the Rohingya being a sad case of affairs hitting the headlines recently. I guess we will only know what the media picks up. But the Rohingya, as I have very recently learnt, do nothing to endear themselves to anyone. I guess, being chased out for hundreds of years can make a community not so friendly..
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who is demanding they should apologize? rather it is the arabs who should apologize for their rebellion against the caliphate and repent to Allah for sleeping with the enemy and bringing the caliphate down as rebels and khawarij. Whatever the state of the Ottomons may have been towards the end, the amir refused to give Palestine to the Zionists so long as he was in power, compared to the traitorous arabs who not only rebelled against the Ottomons but also sold Palestine out to the israeli by funding the zionist atrocities on the Palestinian people.
Islamirama was good at bring awareness about the plight and suffering of the Muslims around the world. I miss his current event posts.
You are mixing the facts with fables. We cant find a common ground by this way.
:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)
Please understand, brother, that it is not that we as Muslims don't care about oppression in Turkey or wherever else there may be. However, I agree with brother @aaj that we have so much oppression in different parts of the globe specific to Muslim communities that it is hard to know where to focus or when or how much.
Also, I don't think the Turkish people should ever apologize for the Ottoman Caliphate to the Arab world or anyone else for that matter. I know I personally have a very high opinion of the Turkish Caliphate and I'm so sorry that we don't have it any more to represent our voices as Muslims on the global stage; the fall of the Caliphate was one of the worst tragedies to happen to the Muslim world along side others and of course the worst tragedy of course is the death of Prophet :saws: (peace and blessings be upon him) without whose guidance and light we're all falling short of ihsan (excellence) as Muslims.
On the recommendation of a knowledgeable and pious sheikh (may Allah bless him), I try to avoid watching any horrific videos or bad images in the parts of the world where oppression is taking place because I know that such things would absolutely break my heart. And while I do try to spread awareness of issues on the Internet or among Muslims to some degree, the truth is that since we cannot be everywhere to help or comfort those suffering, we should simply do what is in everyone's capacity which is make duas (supplication) for Allah to alleviate those from the ummah who are innocent and allow us to be with Mahdi :as: whenever that time should come upon us and to save us from all fitna whether caused by disbelievers or believers and for us to remain guided and firm on the Straight Path.
:wa: (And peace be upon you)
Aleykum Salam. I am not apoligizing for the Ottomans anyway. They just did what they were supposed to do. With all their mistakes. What I am saying is that we must speak out against every oppression not only the ones in some specific regions.
I dont want democracy in turkey. Quran doesn't order us to rule with or without democracy it is up to us unless we have sharia but i want absolutimus in turkey. That is the best way to reach vereinigung von islamic lands.
islam is in war. In war leader of deutschland already starts to have full power. It is like that in the whole world. When you are in war you need absolutismus to be effective.
If you think Islam is at war what are you doing in Germany? Why dont you come to Muslim lands to jihad? I am sick of your kind of people who benefit from western lands and call for a lower form of civilization for Muslim nations..Islam taught democracy not "absolitismus"
in the times of war demoracy is not effective. It is clear . You can't see demoracy in armies. Turkey is a militärisch land. Because of this demoracy is turkey would be a disaster. It would be a girl in a man's dress. Turkey is the sword of islam. You can be sword of islam by being a coward. Look at Osmanische Emprie. There wasn't democracy. They were so stark.