Why is it that it seems ok to promote the idea of a Muslim conspiracy to rule ?

[Pygoscelis]

The problem isn’t mad scientist or people not condemning him, the problem is YOU being offended by the inevitable. He wishes what is granted upon all of US.

Ok, I started writing a response to this but now I think it may be tongue in cheek so I deleted it lol. I would like to point out that "mad scientist" is not the one who was expressing his hope that atheists drop dead, and nor was "mad scientist" the one who was expressing dissappointment at there not being more people hunting down and killing those who don't support Islam, or who "insult" the prophet (who apparently has such a thin skin that he needs people murdering in his honour).

Anyway, Scimitar, I think you can see my point about this forum just by reading the last couple of pages of this thread. If you want civil interfaith discussion, this forum isn't really the place for it. There are some civil muslims such as yourself (from what I can tell from your posts so far) but your voices are drowned out by the childish ones and the moderators seeem to lean in their favour.

 

[Pygoscelis]

exterminations which happen daily where they actively contribute in one form or another whether in paid taxes or mob like hateful diatribe or even remaining silent for all that's needed for evil to triumph is just that.

Really... if people are going to get that tribal and guilt-by-association based, then they may as well declare all muslims to be terrorists. Oh wait, "We" already do. "You" are terrorists and "We" are imperials who do attrocity. It apparently doesn't matter what you and I as individuals actually think or do.

I'm curious what exactly somebody would have to do to not be caught by this broad brushing. Opposing this is not enough. Voting against this is not enough. Speaking out against this is not enough. Calling for the heads of those who do this is not enough. Is armed rebellion (in the case of citizens of the countries engaging in this) the only way out of this guilt by association, or maybe armed invasion of those countries (for those who are not citizens of the countries engaged in this but broad brushed in anyway) or will even that not be enough?

This tribal thinking from both "sides" is exactly the problem we need to overcome. It is exactly what those in power on both "sides" exploit to keep themselves in power. And to bring this on topic, it is exactly why some in the west say it is ok to promote the idea of a muslim conspiracy to rule. They see all muslims as the same, the evil other, the same way that Bluebell depicts all kafir in the west.

 

[جوري]

(which if directed from a kafir towards muslims would get them banned)

who "insult" your prophet

very thin skin and needs people killing in his honour

Begs the question of why you're still here?

best,

 

[Pygoscelis]

Begs the question of why you're still here?

best,

I don't come here as much as I used to, but why do I come at all? Partly due to force of habbit, partly due to morbid curiousity, and partly due to the faint hope for the place that posters like Scimitar, MustafaMC and Sunnie here bring.

 

[Scimitar]

Bro Psygoscelis,

Salaam again. If I'm to be honest, every forum I am a member of (including a Christian one and other random ones on the net - as well as Islamic ones) have this problem, but so far I find that this forum is still the best compared to others. I can understand why you keep coming back here, despite some members who you may have some troubles with - I think that the vibe here is overall one of tolerance and not trolling.

I'm pleased you never joined the wake up project, because on that forum - I've had to put many Muslims in their place for blatantly ignoring the advice of Prophet Muhammad pbuh when debating with people from other faith groups - yep, they trolled so hard, and I defended the non Muslims and told the Muslims off in such a way on so many occasions, that I was even accused of not being a Muslim once, and even a spy on another occasion.

Truth be told bro, the real Islam is a wonderfully beautiful thing, a full solution to all of mankinds problems - but with so many morons misinterpreting the Quran or hadeeth to fit in with their own misguided opinion, on forums such as WUP - the truth often gets misrepresented.

On this forum though bro, I see progress... real progress. And not a day passes where I don't come here - regular as clockwork me, checking in everyday . You've all become like an extended family now... Not even been a member for a full year. If I miss a day, I miss this place and the members here....

...We're created unique, we all have our quirks, our better personalities and our failings. We're all unique, but we're all imperfect. and we all want to attain a higher understanding of this world and the hereafter, to better help us. Or atleast, help us understand eachother...

Scimi

 

[جوري]

I don't come here as much as I used to, but why do I come at all? Partly due to force of habbit, partly due to morbid curiousity, and partly due to the faint hope for the place that posters like Scimitar, MustafaMC and Sunnie here bring.

sure sure..

btw the above was meant to highlight your all too frequent affronts against the prophet and religion as well the folks here which yet in spite of, and your willful ignorance with repeated queries to that which you were answered previously managed to sustain your stay here.. you're a clever chap aren't you?

best,

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

I don't come here as much as I used to, but why do I come at all? Partly due to force of habbit, partly due to morbid curiousity, and partly due to the faint hope for the place that posters like Scimitar, MustafaMC and Sunnie here bring.

I don’t understand why you are upset over one member? And there has been plenty of non muslim members that SAID far worse and admins here are forgiving. They were banned only because they persisted to insult and troll. Plus, place the comment in context, Muhammad (pbuh) is someone we love more than our mothers. You have a memory of a goldfish, if you seriously dont know who madscientist is.

Good day

 

[GuestFellow]

Many people promote conspiracies. Below are examples:

Some Muslims are like, all westerners are planning to abolish Islam.

Some Jews are like, everyone is anti-semitic.

Some Christians are like, noooo those Jews, Moslems and gays are taking over our Christian country.

Some Atheists are like, waaah those religious people are plotting to bring back religion or something.

Some white nationalists in Europe are like waaah those immigrants are destroying the white race.

Some black people are like, waaah all those white people are racist and are constantly discriminating us.

Some people on the Internet are like, the queen is a lizard, the illumnati, those bilderburg, the skull and bones, david ickle, alex jones and bla bla bla.

Don't take this post too seriously.

 

[Aprender]

I don't come here as much as I used to, but why do I come at all? Partly due to force of habbit, partly due to morbid curiousity, and partly due to the faint hope for the place that posters like Scimitar, MustafaMC and Sunnie here bring.

So any member that doesn't necessarily agree with your views is not worth having on the forum? I'm sorry but as I recall we are individuals and just because one Muslim says something to you here doesn't mean we all feel the exact same way as they do. People have their opinions.

Seems to me that most members here have been very civil in disagreements with you and the least you could do is respect the opinions of other people here.

 

[Pygoscelis]

So any member that doesn't necessarily agree with your views is not worth having on the forum?

It isn't about views. It is about behaviour, tribalism, and empathy. And I did not say anybody is not worth having on the forum. Check again.

I'm sorry but as I recall we are individuals and just because one Muslim says something to you here doesn't mean we all feel the exact same way as they do.

Did you read my posts before responding? I said exactly that. Sunnie, Scimitar, and MustafaMC are clearly amongst the friendlier and more polite and civil ones, and I respect them for it, even if we disagree completely on pretty much every religious and social issue. I have no problem with them whatsoever.

Seems to me that most members here have been very civil in disagreements with you

As I posted above, some are quite civil but those who only come to make emotional outbursts and attacks tend to drown them out. Yes, such childish post happen on every forum, but on most forums the admins try to keep them in line. Here they are prone to cheer them on (see the cartoon thread). It can be amusing, but don't expect much constructive dialogue in that sort of environment.

and the least you could do is respect the opinions of other people here.

Even when that opinion is that they want me dead and wish that more people hunted me down to kill me? You want me respect that opinion? Really?

Oh, one last reason why I post here that I forgot to mention... people keep asking me questions in these threads and people keep inviting me back here once I've been away too long.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Many people promote conspiracies. Below are examples:

Some Muslims are like, all westerners are planning to abolish Islam.

Some Jews are like, everyone is anti-semitic.

Some Christians are like, noooo those Jews, Moslems and gays are taking over our Christian country.

Some Atheists are like, waaah those religious people are plotting to bring back religion or something.

Some white nationalists in Europe are like waaah those immigrants are destroying the white race.

Some black people are like, waaah all those white people are racist and are constantly discriminating us.

Yup, and they are all operating on the same psychologcal dynamics. The funny part to me is when you see the two crossing paths, like when I see a black evangelical hate on gays while a gay white supremecist hates on blacks. You'd think being the target on the one side, they'd appreciate that they are doing the same to the other side.

 

[GuestFellow]

Yup, and they are all operating on the same psychologcal dynamics. The funny part to me is when you see the two crossing paths, like when I see a black evangelical hate on gays while a gay white supremecist hates on blacks. You'd think being the target on the one side, they'd appreciate that they are doing the same to the other side.

Kinda hilarious and sad at the same time.

What is your definition of a conspiracy? Just curious.

 

[Aprender]

Did you read my posts before responding? I said exactly that. Sunnie, Scimitar, and MustafaMC are clearly amongst the friendlier and more polite and civil ones, and I respect them for it, even if we disagree completely on pretty much every religious and social issue. I have no problem with them whatsoever.

I don't think most members on this message board have been unfriendly with you. I certainly haven't.

As I posted above, some are quite civil but those who only come to make emotional outbursts and attacks tend to drown them out. Yes, such childish post happen on every forum, but on most forums the admins try to keep them in line. Here they are prone to cheer them on (see the cartoon thread). It can be amusing, but don't expect much constructive dialogue in that sort of environment.

I know who you are talking about. But that usually happens in most types of dialogue, especially on controversial/serious issues.

Even when that opinion is that they want me dead and wish that more people hunted me down to kill me? You want me respect that opinion? Really?

Again, I believe you are referring to a certain member once again. Look, people tell me that they wish that I'd be hunted down and killed by the government to my face in REAL LIFE. And government officials, local legislators, parents of children who say these things, don't speak out about it but often encourage this type of thinking. Whenever I sit on a bus or a train with my friends, women take their children and move them away from us. I've had little kids and adults shout all types of obscenities at me when I am out in public just walking minding my own business. Multiple people. Not just one individual. And I've also been assaulted. But in real life. Not on a message board where that's just one persons opinion. I believe that many of the opinions that we have in life are shaped by our experiences and I respect that people have that opinion of wanting me dead for being a Muslim. The difference is that I don't dwell on it and most of the time I just laugh it off because they don't know me or anything about me and a lot of times it's truly a case of miseducation. I don't take it seriously and I really don't think you should either especially here on a message board. Most people here don't want to hunt you down and kill you. I believe that we all have many other serious things to deal with in our own lives and within the Muslim community to be concerned with hunting and killing a man because of what something he wrote on the internet. Leave that to Mexican drug cartels.


By the way, if you type something here and another member feels that it might be crossing the lines a little, of course you're going to get a little tribalism. We all belong to different types of tribes. This is an Islamic forum and if people feel that something you wrote might be a little insulting, tongue in cheek or beating around the bush, don't be so surprised if they throw it back at you.

I too was a non-Muslim on this forum for quite a while and I still find most of the members on this message board to be amazing, friendly, well educated people.

 

[Muezzin]

This thread is harder to kill than a Terminator...

Okay, discussion of the actual topic has ceased and now it is just concentrating on debating the finer points about whether picking on certain members is allowed.

Hint - nobody is allowed to pick on other members. Any problems, report the post and let a moderator deal with it. We do the stressful jobs so you don't have to.

Thread locked.