Misbah0411
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If a wife or a husband abandon prayer then that marriage is null and void due to the disbelief of its abandonment.
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Strong minded, clear thinking and decisive woman.
wow, someone looks to the future a bit more, she sounds like the type of who can help keep a man on the straight and narrow - if he tries and holds on without getting left behind and booted off.
wow, someone looks to the future a bit more, she sounds like the type of who can help keep a man on the straight and narrow - if he tries and holds on without getting left behind and booted off.
no prayer out of islam or not?? ^o)
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The 8 volume work entitled "Fatawa Islamiyyah" Vol.2 page 371 published by Dar us Salaam Publishers:
"A husband (or wife) who does not pray is a disbeliever, according to the words of the Prophet s.a.a.w.: "The covenant which is between us and them is the prayer, and whoever abandoned it, has disbelieved." (At-Tirmithi, An-Nasa'i and Ahmad) and also: "Between a man and disbelief and shirk is abandoning the prayer." (Muslim). Whether or not he denies its obligation. If he does deny its obligation, he is a disbeliever according to the consensus of scholars. And if he abandons it due to negligence and laziness, but does not deny its obligation, he is also a disbeliever according to the most authoritative sayings of the scholars based upon the two aforementioned hadiths and other reports which carry the same meaning." Bin Baz
Volume 2 of same book pgs 368-69:
As for the saying of the Companions, the majority of them, indeed, more than one reported that all of them regarded the one who abandons the prayer as a disbeliever. Abdullah bin Shaqiq said: "The Companions of the Prophet s.a.a.w. did not regard the abandonment of anything to be disbelief except for prayer." And Imam Ishaq bin Rahwayh, the famous scholar said: "It has been authentically reported from the Prophet s.a.a.w. that the one who abandons prayer is a disbeliever." Ibn Hazm mentioned that it has been reported from Umar, Abdur-Rahma bin Awf, Mu'ath bin Jabal, Abu Hurairah and others from among the Companions, and he said, "And we know of no one among the Companions who contradicts them."
"A husband (or wife) who does not pray is a disbeliever, according to the words of the Prophet s.a.a.w.: "The covenant which is between us and them is the prayer, and whoever abandoned it, has disbelieved." (At-Tirmithi, An-Nasa'i and Ahmad) and also: "Between a man and disbelief and shirk is abandoning the prayer." (Muslim). Whether or not he denies its obligation. If he does deny its obligation, he is a disbeliever according to the consensus of scholars. And if he abandons it due to negligence and laziness, but does not deny its obligation, he is also a disbeliever according to the most authoritative sayings of the scholars based upon the two aforementioned hadiths and other reports which carry the same meaning." Bin Baz
Volume 2 of same book pgs 368-69:
As for the saying of the Companions, the majority of them, indeed, more than one reported that all of them regarded the one who abandons the prayer as a disbeliever. Abdullah bin Shaqiq said: "The Companions of the Prophet s.a.a.w. did not regard the abandonment of anything to be disbelief except for prayer." And Imam Ishaq bin Rahwayh, the famous scholar said: "It has been authentically reported from the Prophet s.a.a.w. that the one who abandons prayer is a disbeliever." Ibn Hazm mentioned that it has been reported from Umar, Abdur-Rahma bin Awf, Mu'ath bin Jabal, Abu Hurairah and others from among the Companions, and he said, "And we know of no one among the Companions who contradicts them."
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What if one misses a prayer because of stress, or a long stressful day, or inconvinience, etc.? Or because of travelling, etc.?
Or someone who believes in Islam, Allah SWT, the Prophet Muhammad SAW, but out of ignorance doesn't know that praying 5 times a day is fardh?
Or someone who believes in Islam, Allah SWT, the Prophet Muhammad SAW, but out of ignorance doesn't know that praying 5 times a day is fardh?
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I find it hard to accept that someone can believe in Islam, Allah SWT, the Prophet s.a.a.w. and not know the obligation of 5 daily prayers. But the one who doesn't know the obligatory out of ignorance is excused until he or she is admonished with the truth and then it becomes obligatory on them. The one who misses a prayer has to make it up. We are talking about abandoning prayer altogether.
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Good for her. And good for him. They were obviously a bad match.
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This is such a stupid STUPID decision on her part!
A person's Imaan fluctuates up and down, you should always make DU'AA for your spouse, not leave them! Allaah can change hearts in a second - been there and experienced myself.
Such a daft woman, she thinks she knows it all! Divorce is the MOST LOVED thing by Shaytaan!
This is such a stupid STUPID decision on her part!
A person's Imaan fluctuates up and down, you should always make DU'AA for your spouse, not leave them! Allaah can change hearts in a second - been there and experienced myself.
Such a daft woman, she thinks she knows it all! Divorce is the MOST LOVED thing by Shaytaan!
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Why is it so difficult to pray? The wife was just looking out for him religiously. He should have been grateful he had someone to remind him of religion. Right?
I agree, but divorce is the most hated thing for Shaytaan. Unlike you who is just engaged, which isn't even a concept in Islam, so even if it is broken, it's not Islamic.
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May Allah SWT reward the sister, and guide the guy. Ameen.
Are you for real? She just carried out the most beloved act to Shaytaan, and may Allaah reward her? Seriously?! :hiding:
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Is compulsions islamic? Agreeing in the beginning that he won't bring up hijab and then forcing me for it later when things are progressing, is not keeping ur word islamic?
its not ok for a woman to leave a man based on religious grounds, but its ok if a man is forcing a woman for religion?
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Allahu alam. I admit it seems to be a hastily made decision, perhaps if she had been a little more patient? But I suppose you don't really know the full story or what else he may have been doing....but if it was so important she could have confirmed it beforehand if he was practising or not, I mean to divorce after five days is a big thing.
Again, they were m a r r i e d . You are e n g a g e d . There is a H U G E difference. (God, it's like dealing with a child!)
You shouldn't even be roaming around with him if you haven't got your Nikkah done.
Anywhos please discuss your business on your thread - no need to spam the rest of the forum. And no need to take your anger out on us, that your "fiance" has broken off your engagement.
Expanding on what I said before:
حدثنا أبو بكر محمد بن أحمد بن بالويه ، ثنا محمد بن عثمان بن أبي [ ص: 558 ] شيبة ، ثنا أحمد بن يونس ، ثنا معروف بن واصل ، عن محارب بن دثار ، عن عبد الله بن عمر - رضي الله عنهما - ، قال : قال رسول الله - صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم - : " ما أحل الله شيئا أبغض إليه من الطلاق " .
هذا حديث صحيح الإسناد ، ولم يخرجاه ، ومن حكم هذا الحديث أن يبدأ به في كتاب الطلاق .
The most detested thing out of permissable (matters) by Allah (SWT) is divorce.هذا حديث صحيح الإسناد ، ولم يخرجاه ، ومن حكم هذا الحديث أن يبدأ به في كتاب الطلاق .
[Mustadrak and declared Authentic by Imam Hakim (RA)]
باب ما جاء في كراهية الطلاق
( أخبرنا ) أبو علي الروذباري ، أنا أبو بكر بن داسة ، نا أبو داود ، نا كثير بن عبيد ، نا محمد بن خالد عن معرف بن واصل عن محارب بن دثار عن ابن عمر رضي الله عنهما أن النبي - صلى الله عليه وسلم - قال : " أبغض الحلال إلى الله الطلاق " .
The most detestable of the permissible (matters) by Allah (SWT) is divorce( أخبرنا ) أبو علي الروذباري ، أنا أبو بكر بن داسة ، نا أبو داود ، نا كثير بن عبيد ، نا محمد بن خالد عن معرف بن واصل عن محارب بن دثار عن ابن عمر رضي الله عنهما أن النبي - صلى الله عليه وسلم - قال : " أبغض الحلال إلى الله الطلاق " .
[Sunanul-Kubra and declared Authentic by Imam Baihaqi (RA)]
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Divorce might be a detested thing, but it is permissible for specific reasons.
The woman most probably is following the school of thought that says a person who leaves out salah unnecessarily, is out of the fold of Islam.
Having said this, she knows her reasons and we dont know the full story.
The woman most probably is following the school of thought that says a person who leaves out salah unnecessarily, is out of the fold of Islam.
Having said this, she knows her reasons and we dont know the full story.
And this is a reason, according to you? The woman is a joke. Instead of praying to Allaah to guide her spouse, she thinks marriage is a play thing, and she gets divorced? Ha.
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Afaik, in the Hanbali madhab, leaving salah is kufr, and thus one becomes a kafir, may Allah SWT protect us. So the moment he left salah, willingly, the nikah became null?