Wilders goes for headscarf ban in the Hague

[Sampharo]

Actually, it is entirely plausible to hold intellectual opposition to an ideology without holding any personal contempt or opposition to its adherents. It would not have worked with Hitler because he actually did things that negatively impacted on the lives of individuals Jews.

......The resolution proposed by people like Wilders is that to resolve this 'oppression' is to impose the converse.

As opposed to banning women's modesty and the muslim's holy book, the Quran, NOT being negatively impacting the lives of individual muslims?

And what oppression of hijab ARE you even bringing to this story? You're mixing things up with France, Wilder has announced publicly he is banning it because they are not part of Europe's culture, as opposed to the christian crosses and jewish skullcaps.

 

[The_Prince]

if his party wins in the elections then Muslim countries should stop all oil exports to the netherlands, and cancel all trade-business links,

 

[Skavau]

As opposed to banning women's modesty and the muslim's holy book, the Quran, NOT being negatively impacting the lives of individual muslims?

I agree. But it is possible to be foundationally against an ideology whilst not holding contempt for their adherents. For example I am strongly against Scientology and believe it should be outlawed as deceptive racket. I do not however hate Scientologists.

And what oppression of hijab ARE you even bringing to this story? You're mixing things up with France, Wilder has announced publicly he is banning it because they are not part of Europe's culture, as opposed to the christian crosses and jewish skullcaps.

Perhaps you should reread what I said. I never defended the banning of hijab in any sense, for oppression or the protection of any 'culture' (which is another fallacy).

 

[Dagless]

I agree. But it is possible to be foundationally against an ideology whilst not holding contempt for their adherents. For example I am strongly against Scientology and believe it should be outlawed as deceptive racket. I do not however hate Scientologists.

Wilders is not "strongly against" Islam. He hates it, and everything about it (and some things which aren't even about it but he thinks that they are).

How can you be strongly against an ideology but not dislike the people who follow it? If someone is a true Muslim then he/she will live their lives according to Islam, they will be the embodiment of the religion, following all the teachings. If the Scientologist is a true Scientologist he/she will follow it to the letter, including the things you don't like. If you dislike beliefs you should dislike the people who carry them out. I dislike Hitlers ideology and I dislike Hitler.

Religion is not like milkshake, ie. I hate strawberry milkshake but don't dislike the people who like strawberry milkshake. To dislike a religion you must dislike its teachings because they attack you in some way or are against your code. The followers of that religion usually carry out its teachings and so they can't exactly be your best friend.

"Hey Wilders, great game of bowling but I gotta go and pray"
"Sure thing Dagless, by the way when I'm in charge I'll outlaw prayer and everything else you like to do which doesn't hurt anyone else... but I don't hate you as a person, have a great day".
"er... yeah you too Wilders... you crazy **** :|"

 

[Skavau]

Wilders is not "strongly against" Islam. He hates it, and everything about it (and some things which aren't even about it but he thinks that they are).

As far as I am aware, Wilders is against Islam for ethical reasons. He despises the ideology (as I do Scientology) and considers it a threat to the culture of Europe.

How can you be strongly against an ideology but not dislike the people who follow it? If someone is a true Muslim then he/she will live their lives according to Islam, they will be the embodiment of the religion, following all the teachings. If the Scientologist is a true Scientologist he/she will follow it to the letter, including the things you don't like. If you dislike beliefs you should dislike the people who carry them out. I dislike Hitlers ideology and I dislike Hitler.

That's ridiculous. First of all, despising Hitler is not contigent on despising Nazism. It is entirely possible to despise Hitler purely because of the fact that he is responsible for the death of millions.

Indeed, isn't that even anti-Islamic? I presume that you despise or disagree with atheism (possibly to the extent I disagree with Scientology), polytheism, idolatry, homosexuality and other concepts deemed impermissable but I would not argued that means by consequence you hate everyone involved with it.

I don't hate Scientologists because they are often manipulated into the cult. They are lied to, abused and financially. Why would I hate them? I would feel sympathy for them and try to communicate with them the deception and damage Scientology has done to the lives of people.

Religion is not like milkshake, ie. I hate strawberry milkshake but don't dislike the people who like strawberry milkshake. To dislike a religion you must dislike its teachings because they attack you in some way or are against your code. The followers of that religion usually carry out its teachings and so they can't exactly be your best friend.

I can dislike the teachings of a religion. It does not necessitate that from this I must dislike everyone involved in the religion. There are many aspects of Islam that people on here know I do not approve of. I do not hate them for believing them to be ethically valid. Au contrare I sometimes respect their sincerity in respect to it.

You are projecting the attitude of some on specific things onto others.

 

[Dagless]

As far as I am aware, Wilders is against Islam for ethical reasons. He despises the ideology (as I do Scientology) and considers it a threat to the culture of Europe.


That's ridiculous. First of all, despising Hitler is not contigent on despising Nazism. It is entirely possible to despise Hitler purely because of the fact that he is responsible for the death of millions.

It goes hand in hand. He killed people BECAUSE of his ideology. If he'd accidentally caused a power plant meltdown by spilling his coffee on a keyboard he probably would not be hated as now. On the flip side I dislike Nick Griffin for his ideology (he hasn't killed anyone or done anything else wrong as far as I'm aware).

Indeed, isn't that even anti-Islamic? I presume that you despise or disagree with atheism (possibly to the extent I disagree with Scientology), polytheism, idolatry, homosexuality and other concepts deemed impermissable but I would not argued that means by consequence you hate everyone involved with it.

I don't hate Scientologists because they are often manipulated into the cult. They are lied to, abused and financially. Why would I hate them? I would feel sympathy for them and try to communicate with them the deception and damage Scientology has done to the lives of people.


I can dislike the teachings of a religion. It does not necessitate that from this I must dislike everyone involved in the religion. There are many aspects of Islam that people on here know I do not approve of. I do not hate them for believing them to be ethically valid. Au contrare I sometimes respect their sincerity in respect to it.

You are projecting the attitude of some on specific things onto others.

I used the term "dislike" rather than "hate", but hate would require even more provocation. I did not say all relgions disliked all others; but if you do dislike one (because you are attacked in some way) you will dislike the people too.I'm all for freedom of religion and am respectful if there are no personal or religious attacks (as the case should be). A scientologist who is abused and ripped off probably isn't a poster boy for scientology. I am speaking of those who follow it to the letter. I am not completely aware of the core beliefs but understand there are relatively few top level scientologists who understand the religion fully and practice it.

 

[OurIslamic]

Gert Wilders is a mentally retarded man, don't think too much of him.

 

[S<Chowdhury]

Give me a weapon and a ticket to Holland........ and the rest will be history :raging: ;D

 

[Esther462]

People don't understand that Islam means PEACE not HATE. We are a peaceful faith and people and don't want to cause trouble. They don't understand that minory of muslims cause trouble but they aren't muslims. Most of Europ is not making us muslims welcome.

 

[Skavau]

I used the term "dislike" rather than "hate", but hate would require even more provocation. I did not say all relgions disliked all others; but if you do dislike one (because you are attacked in some way) you will dislike the people too.I'm all for freedom of religion and am respectful if there are no personal or religious attacks (as the case should be). A scientologist who is abused and ripped off probably isn't a poster boy for scientology. I am speaking of those who follow it to the letter. I am not completely aware of the core beliefs but understand there are relatively few top level scientologists who understand the religion fully and practice it.

No, if I was to dislike anyone in Scientology it would be the high level "chairman of the board", heir to the throne of L.Ron Hubbard David Miscavage. Scientology is a money laundering cult that exploits its members. It masquerades as an education, a job, a religion and a company when it feels like it. There are several countries in Europe that do not recognise Scientology as a religion and have hauled them to court for fraud.

Are you familiar with the actions of L. Ron Hubbard by the way?

 

[Supreme]

Gert Wilders is a mentally retarded man, don't think too much of him.

Don't think too much of him isn't really a solution. History of full of 'mentally retarded men', men like Hitler, Stalin, Nero, Pol Pot, Mussolini, Leopold II, Robespierre, the Mad Mahdi, Mary I, Ivan the Terrible, Tamerlane, Pope Urban II, Draco, King Herod, Alexander the Great, Ashurnasirpal: men who were completely harmless, until they attained power and proved to the world just how mentally retarded they were.

 

[★ηαѕιнα★]

Give me a weapon and a ticket to Holland........ and the rest will be history :raging: ;D

Make sure you say goodbye to your fiancee cos you aint going back.
They will through you into prison before you can say "hands up!" ;D

 

[S<Chowdhury]

Make sure you say goodbye to your fiancee cos you aint going back.
They will through you into prison before you can say "hands up!" ;D

Will do say goodbye though it won't be a tearful one probably be "you tool" ( Note she'll probably will slap me ) haha doubt that I'll be a sniper or sumthin, i have plenty of practise on Modern Warfare 2 LOL ;D

 

[★ηαѕιнα★]

Will do say goodbye though it won't be a tearful one probably be "you tool" ( Note she'll probably will slap me ) haha doubt that I'll be a sniper or sumthin, i have plenty of practise on Modern Warfare 2 LOL ;D

HAHA finally something good can come of playing video games. ;D
In that case ill say: Keep playing!

 

[Uncle Jee]

lol what a loser. The islamophobia in europe is escalating rather quickly.
Salam

It an easy way to win cheap votes

 

[★ηαѕιнα★]

^^True. And its working. Walked by a group of them voters in the schoollibrary this week. Heard one of them saying: "Oh no! They want to protest against Wilders in England". He was reading an article on the net about it. I was shocked really, proved my thoughts about students voting on Wilders. :S

 

[Raphael]

Some of the responses here are a bit pathetic, bordering on offensive. I possibly would pray that this man is guided on to the deen....and after all everyone who is on the straight path is surely on it because of Allah's Rahma...

And We never sent a messenger save with the language of his folk, that he might make (the message) clear for them. Then Allah sendeth whom He will astray, and guideth whom He will. He is the Mighty, the Wise.

Surat Ibrahim
(14:4)

and ultimately we do not have to wish for this or that for this man, because it is Allah's promise...


And Allah hath created the heavens and the earth with truth, and that every soul may be repaid what it hath earned. And they will not be wronged.

Surah Al-Jathiya
(45:22)


Should every Muslim wish for you to get what you deserve in the hereafter for your sins...? Rather we hope for Allah's Mercy, and Allah's Mercy is greater than his wrath. To which I do not have to give a verse, as the entire Quran is a testament to that.


Instead of wishing ill on this man, should someone who has an opportunity give him dawah, and the rest of us pray that Allah guides him....his shahadah would be the victory any harm on him could never ever be.


Remember that we too are in need of mercy....



Whoso doeth right it is for his soul, and whoso doeth wrong it is against it. And thy Lord is not at all a tyrant to His slaves.

Surat Fussilat
(41:46)

 

[Muezzin]

Wilders goes for headscarf ban in the Hague

People wear headscarves in the Hague?



Anyway, if Mr Wilders is not too busy choosing credibility-destroying entrance music (Eye of the Tiger?!), I think covering his insane hairstyle would work wonders for Geert. Bring back the bowler, baby.

 

[★ηαѕιнα★]

^^ Haha TOO Funny!! Dont touch his stylish hairstyle man. In his world of insanity its actually the new fashionthing. ;D