You could be anti-semitic if you think Israel is racist, government says

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You could be anti-semitic if you think Israel is racist or that Jewish citizens are more loyal to Israel than their home countries, according to government guidance published yesterday.

In an article published on the government’s website, Eric Pickles MP supported the definition of anti-semitism which is followed by the UK’s College of Policing.

Pickles is the United Kingdom Special Envoy for post-Holocaust issues and is also the chairman of the Conservative Friends of Israel.

In his article he said: “Contemporary examples of anti-semitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to…

“Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust). Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust…

“Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.”

Pickles added that examples of anti-semitism with regard to Israel taking into account the overall context could include:

“Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor” and “drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.”

A “racist” definition

It is widely accepted in the Muslim world (and also among many in the West) that Israel was created following the theft of Palestinian land and a campaign of ethnic cleansing. The way Israel defines itself – as a “Jewish State” – is also considered racist by many, as well as its policies of collectively targeting the Palestinian population in wars and through other security measures.

Reacting to the government guidance Massoud Shadjareh of the Islamic Human Rights Commission said the definition was absurd and even racist in itself.

He said: “They are conflating Judaism and Israel which many Jews themselves would disagree with. The fact is that many Jews consider Israel a racist state so does that make them anti-semitic? Also, at the UN conference in Durban in 2001 all the NGOs were unanimous in saying that Israel was racist, so does that make them all anti-semitic?”

Shadjareh added: “I think this statement in itself is racist. They are prioritising one race above everyone else and making them out to be special case. If they are going to say that criticism of Israel is anti-semitic would they say that criticism of a black African country is racist too? And will they apply the same definition to Muslims or Hindus?”

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And killing Palestinians via bombing the schools and hospitals is not anti-Semitic? Palestinians have stronger DNA proving their Semitic origins waaaay more than those ya'juj gog Jews if you know what I mean.

political incorrectness is fashionable speech in today's media circus
 
Idc if people call me anti semitic etc. I will stand for what is right.

What is right now will always stay right, what is wrong will always stay wrong.
 
Lol, the chosen people have good legal representation apparently.

What are ya gonna do?

I'd be upset but Allah swt knows best.
 
It's all nonsense. Everybody is racist! Do we not eat plants and animals because they are not our race? Do we not enslave some animals as beasts of burden, sport or vivisection? So isn't drawing the line at humans just hypocrisy?
Crying racist or anti Semitic is just a liberal progressive way to try and silence people.
Even some Jewish scholars have questions about the "Holocaust". Some of the NAZI were Jewish Zionists and the "Final Solution" was sending the Jews to Israel not exterminating them. If the Germans were dead set on exterminating all the Jews in Europe, they would have.
 
They're falsely confusing jews as in banee Israa-eel -a tribe descended from a branch of ibrahim, through ishaaq, through ya'qoob, (who came many generations after Shem/Shaam ibn Nuh) with jews as in followers of Tawrah, with a secular state which almost in totality rejects the authority of Allah.

It appears to be purposefully, deceitfully and politically motivated since such confusion allows the secular media and anti-Islam politicians to shapeshift them and change the mask depending on political situation and international perception.

They need to define the terms israel, jew, and semite clearly.

Also note that a similar bait and switch trick was played on Muslims in order to get them to move to "east and west Pakistaan" (the pure land) "state for so called Muslims but not Islaam" where they deposed the Muslim rulers, stole the resources, then burned Muslims to death and forced them to move - whilst leaving kashmir as a flashpoint, and tried to hang abu al A'alaa maudoodi for demanding an islaamic state, whilst the partition was being drawn in al Quds (the sacred land). The trick played on the world was "fairness"/give and take.
After having falsely promised the Muslims a palestinian nationalist state of course....
 
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you can't take any politican seriously. They are just after money. That is my observation. This is just a sensationalist article.
 
The political circus is designed to keep the sheeple confused.

Scimi
 
As long as we are chained by "nationalism" and "tribalism" we will never progress.

These articles are just tabloids. we should look beneath the beneath. What they are trying to further - their politics. Tabloids are child's game. The bigger issue is their politics..

And as long as we are bound by nationalism, true change is impossible. Teachings that do not speak of pain are meaningless. I know Islam talks of pain and all that.

we, as Muslims, should not seek Jannah on Earth, this is a time of struggle. I am not saying to not pursue a happy life. Because what is a happy life anyway? Seeking your own happiness? Know then that happiness lies only with Islam. True happiness that is. Rather to realise, this is the time we plant our fruits that will either bring us to Jannah or Jahannam.

But if their criticize us, they call it freedom of speech. Smh. I am starting to see hypocrisy in the media.
And Allahu alam.
 
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As long as we are chained by "nationalism" and "tribalism" we will never progress.

These articles are just tabloids. we should look beneath the beneath. What they are trying to further - their politics. Tabloids are child's game. The bigger issue is their politics..

And as long as we are bound by nationalism, true change is impossible. Teachings that do not speak of pain are meaningless. I know Islam talks of pain and all that.

we, as Muslims, should not seek Jannah on Earth, this is a time of struggle. I am not saying to not pursue a happy life. Because what is a happy life anyway? Seeking your own happiness? Know then that happiness lies only with Islam. True happiness that is. Rather to realise, this is the time we plant our fruits that will either bring us to Jannah or Jahannam.

But if their criticize us, they call it freedom of speech. Smh. I am starting to see hypocrisy in the media.
And Allahu alam.

The Jews spread the philosophy of Marxism and internationalism and miscegenation to others. But they are the most tenacious of nationalists and tribalists and I admire them for that. Even though they play very dirty, winning is all that counts. Of course the Chinese are very strong in this too. I am just disgusted that my people are falling for all this Jewish propaganda. This notion of "kum bye ya we are all international citizens" is a con job to weaken peoples for conquest. Peace on Earth is just total oppression.
 
What about the obvious 'anti-islam' stuff going on?

At least the anti semitic feelings were caused by their own doing, anti islamic feelings is caused by the perceive threat..

But nowt is said.... hmmm


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They're falsely confusing jews as in banee Israa-eel -a tribe descended from a branch of ibrahim, through ishaaq, through ya'qoob, (who came many generations after Shem/Shaam ibn Nuh) with jews as in followers of Tawrah, with a secular state which almost in totality rejects the authority of Allah.

It appears to be purposefully, deceitfully and politically motivated since such confusion allows the secular media and anti-Islam politicians to shapeshift them and change the mask depending on political situation and international perception.

They need to define the terms israel, jew, and semite clearly.

Also note that a similar bait and switch trick was played on Muslims in order to get them to move to "east and west Pakistaan" (the pure land) "state for so called Muslims but not Islaam" where they deposed the Muslim rulers, stole the resources, then burned Muslims to death and forced them to move - whilst leaving kashmir as a flashpoint, and tried to hang abu al A'alaa maudoodi for demanding an islaamic state, whilst the partition was being drawn in al Quds (the sacred land). The trick played on the world was "fairness"/give and take.
After having falsely promised the Muslims a palestinian nationalist state of course....

The Russians have their Syria and the USA have Israel and their are more Jews in New York than Israel even though they are Ashkenazi and not of the lands of the Euphrates the original lands of the Hebrew. But where people belong is not worth anything in the Imperialists agenda.
 
The Russians have their Syria and the USA have Israel and their are more Jews in New York than Israel even though they are Ashkenazi and not of the lands of the Euphrates the original lands of the Hebrew. But where people belong is not worth anything in the Imperialists agenda.

its good to read you again bro Karl
 
It's all nonsense. Everybody is racist! Do we not eat plants and animals because they are not our race? Do we not enslave some animals as beasts of burden, sport or vivisection? So isn't drawing the line at humans just hypocrisy?
Crying racist or anti Semitic is just a liberal progressive way to try and silence people.
Even some Jewish scholars have questions about the "Holocaust". Some of the NAZI were Jewish Zionists and the "Final Solution" was sending the Jews to Israel not exterminating them. If the Germans were dead set on exterminating all the Jews in Europe, they would have.

ya know bro, I think your sarcy humour (which I totally appreciate btw) was lost on others here, but I'm pleased I got a chuckle out of it nevertheless - fist bump

Scimi
 
I had an experience recently where I was traveling and found a sizeable jewish community..

inside my head was not the nicest place for a while, thinking the worst of these people.

then I realised that most people would think just as bad of me.. if not worse.

those ripples on the water are not caused by me.

I went on the enjoy the rest of the day as I hope they did too..

In fact I was more concerned when I met someone from the same place as me.. parked next to me..

in the butt end of nowhere.

the world is a small place. subhanAllah
 
Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
Wow. Let's go back to square one. Let's look at the original plan again, and what was not going to go wrong, because it just wouldn't:

2 November 1917. Foreign Secretary Arthur James Lord Balfour. His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which [1] may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or [2] the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

Of course, we knew a long time ago that this would NEVER happen. We just knew that it would NOT cause trouble to the Palestinians. We also just knew that it would NOT cause trouble to the Jews in other countries, and certainly NOT in Germany. All of this was perfectly known. For the sake of the argument, Lord Balfour just made sure to repeat it:

I know exactly what you are going to say to me now, but let me tell you that it will NOT happen. Seriously. It will NOT.

So, all of us know now. Don't listen to people who say that things like that could happen, because these people are wrong. And why will it not happen? Because Lord Balfour has said that it would NOT.
 
Calling a Jewish person a Jew is considered antisemitic these days...
 
ya know bro, I think your sarcy humour (which I totally appreciate btw) was lost on others here, but I'm pleased I got a chuckle out of it nevertheless - fist bump

Scimi

It wasn't a joke. I am not happy about being a racist creature that lives by the death of other living beings to survive. I have tried to live on the divine gift of fruit, but cannot and would rather feast on bread and the flesh of slaughtered corpses. It is frustrating the hypocrisy of people believing and saying they are good when they are actually evil and self serving.
 
It is frustrating the hypocrisy of people believing and saying they are good when they are actually evil and self serving.
I personally believe that their original plan, "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people", was fraught with very serious issues from the get-go. As expected, their plan has managed to create endless misery for the Palestinians, and as expected, their plan has managed to create endless misery for the Jews living in Germany.

Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.

That is indeed what the Germans argued. Now, given the original plan, I can certainly understand why they believed this.

Claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.

Well, the State of Israel did expel the Palestinians from their homes in 1948, and still prevents them to come back today. If the Palestinians wish to return to their ancestral homeland, I do not see why we would be opposed to that plan. Doesn't that sound very similar to what the Jews themselves did? If the Palestinians maintain the belief that they will return, it is obvious that one day they will. Hence, it is just a question of staunchly disbelieving anybody who says that they won't. These things always revolve around what you believe and what you do not believe. Just don't believe the adversary. That is all it takes to succeed. Of course, you will also need to be patient, but that is exactly where the true belief comes in. If you do not truly believe, you will become impatient. You will start doubting. From there, you will fail. Impatience is the proof that you do not really believe. So, just do not listen to the adversary. Do not believe him. Stubbornly stick to your own beliefs. All you need to do, is to out-believe him.
 

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