these banning "fiasco's" are just getting so utterly pathetic, they're becoming quite comical.
Seriously. I guess politicians just have too much time on their hands. Perhaps if they spent as much energy into trying to fix the economy as they did coming up with new and improved ways to be idiots, the world wouldn't be in as deep a dump as it is now.
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I get a perverse pleasure admittedly from seeing them crumble to bits and their economy down the dumps, just for the massive media manipulation to wipe us out in the name of 'fighting terrorism' if nothing else.. Afghanistan was the final nail in Russia's coffin and it is now for the U.S.. it doesn't matter what incentive they use.. Sob7an Allah.. afghanistan for all its suffering is truly a land of stoics!
I am hungry for a baked potato ..
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Re: Swiss move to ban minarets as 'symbols of Islamic power'
format_quote Originally Posted by crayon
Seriously. I guess politicians just have too much time on their hands. Perhaps if they spent as much energy into trying to fix the economy as they did coming up with new and improved ways to be idiots, the world wouldn't be in as deep a dump as it is now.
That's ridiculous. Extreme right wingers aren't familiar with the concept of 'work'.
Re: Swiss move to ban minarets as 'symbols of Islamic power'
Swiss Muslims open mosque doors
Muslims in many parts of Switzerland have invited the public into mosques - three weeks before a vote on whether to ban the construction of minarets.
Muslim organisations say they hope their open day will counter what they say are fears and prejudices.
The conservative group that initiated the vote - the largest party in the Swiss parliament - says minarets are a symbol of Muslim political power.
Opinion polls suggest the proposed ban will be rejected by voters.
A Muslim community leader in Zurich, Tamir Hadjipolu, said the proposal - launched by the right-wing Swiss People's Party (SVP) - was "open discrimination".
Preaching to the converted?
Switzerland is home to 400,000 Muslims, who have about 200 places of worship. Only four have a minaret, local media say.
The open day was held on Saturday in 12 cantons, including Geneva, Vaud and Freiburg.
"We hope these meetings will build a dialogue and better understanding," said Hisham Maizar, a senior Muslim representative in eastern Switzerland.
The BBC's Imogen Foulkes, who visited a mosque in Zurich, says the many non-Muslims who came enjoyed themselves.
But the debate is raging outside the building, our correspondent says, and the Muslims inside were likely to be preaching to the converted.
Re: Swiss move to ban minarets as 'symbols of Islamic power'
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
Disgraceful act of religious discrimination. The Swiss Government should feel ashamed they are even contemplating such a silly measure.
Like it or not but religious discrimination is part of christian history and tradition. Every strong and dominant religion has some aspects of intolerance.
This country is dying because of a lack of men, not a lack of programs.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Amadeus85
Like it or not but religious discrimination is part of christian history and tradition. Every strong and dominant religion has some aspects of intolerance.
Indeed, but I thought the West got rid of state discrimination long ago. Isn't freedom the reaons our fathers fought and died for? If people can't have freedom of religion, then what is the point of a democracy? It all seems rather poignant.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Amadeus85
Like it or not but religious discrimination is part of christian history and tradition.
If discrimination is part of your traditions, then change them! Following traditions is not compulsory.
Every strong and dominant religion has some aspects of intolerance.
And every strong and dominant nation has either had many aspects of religious tolerance, or was built on the blood and bones of it's people.
Persians, Romans, all the Chinese dynasties, the Holy Roman Empire, Poland-Lithuania, many Islamic dynasties, Britain, Russia, The Marathas, the Sikhs, the Mongol Khaganate, the Americans, Austria-Hungary and many others were all at least partially innvigorated by racial and religious tolerance. Even today, the most powerful countries are mult-ethnic, multi-religious countries, not small monolithic nation-states.
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It is wrong for the Swiss government to ban construction of minarets, although my view is minarets are not necessary anyway.
We all would not be able to recognize the original masjidil nabawwi as a mosque because of its extreme simplicity (it didn't have roof, and the floor was dirt ground!)
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Brothers and sisters in Europe (and not only)
do HIJRAH to muslim land !
,,When Ahmad b. Hanbal was tortured, did he go off to the lands of unbelief? I ask you: Ahmad b. Hanbal and others, then Ibn Taymîyah, when [the rulers] harmed them incessantly and imprisoned them, did they flee to the lands of unbelief? Allâh bless you, he should be patient, he should live in his own country * even in prison, it is better for him than going to Europe and America, especially since these [countries] have measures and policies to recruit Muslims into their societies, to Christianize them and convert them to atheists and heretics (zanâdiqah). These are old strategies which they are applying now and many corrupt preachers and corrupt scholars are striving to recruit Muslims into European societies now..''
by Shaykh Rabî¹ Al-Madkhalî ,masha'Allah for this words!
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Minarets and domes are not necessities; for the first we have speakers and the latter is not something even Rasulullah did.
BUT, if Muslims in Switzerland do not fight this, then what's next? Surely if the government believes they can knock down the minarets, then next will be hijab, niqaab, the beard...etc. They won't stop until Muslims (as weak as we already are) become totally disenfranchised and lose all sense of power.
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For those who don't know:
MINARETS are the tall, slender tower like structures of the mosque which can be seen afar. These structures never existed during the time of Prophet Mohammad (Pbuh). But the minarets have become the integral part of Islamic faith and culture. Minarets are deemed as the lighthouses of faith.
At the time of the Prophet and the caliphs there were no minarets even in the Prophets' Mosque in Madinah. Even after the introduction of azaan this concept was never thought of. The principle that higher the altitude farther will carry the voice was applied by the early callers. The call for the prayer was initially made from a pillar on the roof of Abdullah Ibn Umar's house. The muezzin Billal Habashi would climb and reach the top to call azan. Later Caliph Al-Walid Ibn Abdul Malek built four minarets, one on each corner of the mosque. These were the Islam's first minarets. He had hired Greek architects to build them. Later minarets were constructed in the great mosque of Damascus by the Caliph Al Walid.
Re: Swiss move to ban minarets as 'symbols of Islamic power'
format_quote Originally Posted by rpwelton
Minarets and domes are not necessities; for the first we have speakers and the latter is not something even Rasulullah did.
BUT, if Muslims in Switzerland do not fight this, then what's next? Surely if the government believes they can knock down the minarets, then next will be hijab, niqaab, the beard...etc. They won't stop until Muslims (as weak as we already are) become totally disenfranchised and lose all sense of power.
Oh, well as long as they're not necessary, let's ban them!
The point here is not whether they are necessary. The point here is that there is now one less thing Swiss Muslims can do in the self proclaimed 'free' West.
Also, domes weren't present on mosques at first. I remember reading somewhere that the domes were added after the Muslims saw the beautiful Eastern Orthodox Christian churches in the Holy Land.
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format_quote Originally Posted by OurIslamic
For those who don't know:
MINARETS are the tall, slender tower like structures of the mosque which can be seen afar. These structures never existed during the time of Prophet Mohammad (Pbuh). But the minarets have become the integral part of Islamic faith and culture. Minarets are deemed as the lighthouses of faith.
At the time of the Prophet and the caliphs there were no minarets even in the Prophets' Mosque in Madinah. Even after the introduction of azaan this concept was never thought of. The principle that higher the altitude farther will carry the voice was applied by the early callers. The call for the prayer was initially made from a pillar on the roof of Abdullah Ibn Umar's house. The muezzin Billal Habashi would climb and reach the top to call azan. Later Caliph Al-Walid Ibn Abdul Malek built four minarets, one on each corner of the mosque. These were the Islam's first minarets. He had hired Greek architects to build them. Later minarets were constructed in the great mosque of Damascus by the Caliph Al Walid.
Re: Swiss move to ban minarets as 'symbols of Islamic power'
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
Oh, well as long as they're not necessary, let's ban them!
The point here is not whether they are necessary. The point here is that there is now one less thing Swiss Muslims can do in the self proclaimed 'free' West.
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