My dear brothers and sisters - regardless your religion,
Israel is always -and has always been- a very sensitive topic, now more than ever. It is especially an emotional topic since it is related to religion.
I am very curious to hear what your opinion is about Israel, and what the best solution would be according to you.
Do you think Israel has the right to exist (If yes, in what form?) Would you agree with the existence of Israel if the UN resolutions are respected and no new settlements are made? If you don't want a Jewish state at all, do you think the Jews should be able to stay where they are? or should they go 'back'? or should they have a special place within palestine?
I believe in 2 possible options:
- 2 new sovereign countries which are respected by both sides, a Jewish Israel and a state of Palestine, according to the 1948 border resolution.
- 1 new secular state of Palestine in which Jews, Muslims, Christians, Druze and Atheists can live together, and maybe with special administrative areas meant for certain groups (I prefer this one)
I am aware that there might be a lot anger due to the recent Israeli attacks, but nonetheless I hope you can give me your honest answer.
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1. Israel is against the Torah because the vast majority of Jews (except Messianics which arent even mainstream) believe that they are an exiled people who can only establish a state when their mosiach comes. They rejected Jesus long ago so they missed the boat on that. So in essence they are still exiled and forbidden, according to the Torah and prominent Rabbis throughout history, to establish Israel.
i heard that the reason why the Israelis (or maybe it was the Americans) are at war with Palestine, is because some religious doctrine (again, i cant remember which one) orders some temple to be built on palestine..
is this what you mean?
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israel should be wiped off the map...no peace with them/ no two state solution. May Allah destroy Israel and send terror onto them and give them what they deserve.
ditto!
...desperate for husnul-khitaam...
please make dua that Allah grants me a good end (to my life). please make dua that Allah guides me.
we are not followers of ghandi, our religion does not teach us to "suffer" peacefully. it teaches us to rise up and stop opression and use force if necessary, yes we do have peace only when we are truley free
Brother indeed Ur religion teaches U to fight the opperssors, but muslims have been violating the teachings of their religion for a long long time. ALLAH's command holds no value to muslims today. (Pl note I m talking about majority of muslims and not about all) . Surely this is the reason that why ALLAH has not been granting victory to them.
Now for the sake of millions of innocent lives, what is the big deal if these guys cant violate yet another principal of Islam and seek a peacefull solution? Only the thugs of Hamas will emerge as losers than.
So, will hawks here turn doves now for the sake of those innocent palestinian children, women, and for others? After all they are ur brother and sisters in Islam. When I can feel their sorrrow and pain after being a kafir, why cant U muslims?
As a complete outsider with no affiliation to either Palestinians or Jews they appear to be one and the same people. They look the same, many of their customs are the same and they share much of their history. From where I stand, Palestinians look like Jews who converted to Islam. So on that basis I believe they have equal rights to live in the land which was previously Canaan. In fact (niaive as it may sound) I believe they should unite and form one country and call it Canaan. I just can’t see how you can have a viable country where one part of the country is a small strip of land (Gaza) separated from the other.
Israel was the result of racial hatred gone wrong in 1947. At the end of WW2 Palestine was occupied by Great Britain. The Europeans were very prejudiced against the Jews and Great Britain gave them Palestine to get them out of Europe.
This racial hatred has turned the current population of Israelis into vindictive people, doing the same things that were done to them.
Brother indeed Ur religion teaches U to fight the opperssors, but muslims have been violating the teachings of their religion for a long long time. ALLAH's command holds no value to muslims today. (Pl note I m talking about majority of muslims and not about all) . Surely this is the reason that why ALLAH has not been granting victory to them.
Now for the sake of millions of innocent lives, what is the big deal if these guys cant violate yet another principal of Islam and seek a peacefull solution? Only the thugs of Hamas will emerge as losers than.
So, will hawks here turn doves now for the sake of those innocent palestinian children, women, and for others? After all they are ur brother and sisters in Islam. When I can feel their sorrrow and pain after being a kafir, why cant U muslims?
Hamas are NOT thugs!
you have no idea what you are talking about.
infact please elaborate on your first paragraph and teach us islam...
Our Lord! Verily, we have heard the call of one calling to Faith: 'Believe in your Lord,' and we have believed.
Our Lord! Forgive us our sins and expiate from us our evil deeds, and make us die (in the state of righteousness) along with Al-Abrar
Your logic makes no sense. Would you let a robber get away with theft if he managed to hold on to the stolen goods for 60 years??? That idea is laughable.
Seeing how trying to get their land back resulted in even more land loss, I would thing they'd give up by now or at least wait to devise a more feasible plan. Apart from that, Palis have been using dubious means to aquire land, which lost them a lot of credibility and transferred it on Israel.
i heard that the reason why the Israelis (or maybe it was the Americans) are at war with Palestine, is because some religious doctrine (again, i cant remember which one) orders some temple to be built on palestine.
In order for the messiah to come back the temple has to be rebuilt. Palestinians won't give up the mosque naturally.
The reality is that nobody wants to build the temple, only an insignificant religious minority does.
Zionism was a secular movement, its founder was an atheist.
As a complete outsider with no affiliation to either Palestinians or Jews they appear to be one and the same people. They look the same, many of their customs are the same and they share much of their history. From where I stand, Palestinians look like Jews who converted to Islam. So on that basis I believe they have equal rights to live in the land which was previously Canaan. In fact (niaive as it may sound) I believe they should unite and form one country and call it Canaan. I just can’t see how you can have a viable country where one part of the country is a small strip of land (Gaza) separated from the other.
To a very large extent that is true. However the occupiers of Israel were not of the semitic people. The majority are descended from European, Russian and American converts. The Palestinian Jews were just as much victimized as the Muslims are. Palestinian Jews have all but vanished from Israel. Most sought refuge in MUSLIM countries. There is even a large population in Iran, who refuse to return to Israel as long as the atheistic Zionists control Israel.
Several prominent Nazis supported Jewish immigration to Palestine.
Well of course they would, what better way to ethnically cleanse a country than to ship all the people to someplace else? Much less of a hassle than attempting to kill them all...
Israel is a cancer in the Islamic world so the solution is to uprooted (treating this dangerous disease surgically ) .
israel is the source of terror not only in Palestine but also in all of the world (international zionism) .Muslims will vanish it from the political map.
Israel is a cancer in the Islamic world so the solution is to uprooted (treating this dangerous disease surgically ) .
israel is the source of terror not only in Palestine but also in all of the world (international zionism) .Muslims will vanish it from the political map.
Exactly what was said in 1967. Guess who got bigger?
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
Brother indeed Ur religion teaches U to fight the opperssors, but muslims have been violating the teachings of their religion for a long long time. ALLAH's command holds no value to muslims today. (Pl note I m talking about majority of muslims and not about all) . Surely this is the reason that why ALLAH has not been granting victory to them.
Now for the sake of millions of innocent lives, what is the big deal if these guys cant violate yet another principal of Islam and seek a peacefull solution? Only the thugs of Hamas will emerge as losers than.
So, will hawks here turn doves now for the sake of those innocent palestinian children, women, and for others? After all they are ur brother and sisters in Islam. When I can feel their sorrrow and pain after being a kafir, why cant U muslims?
1. Are you kidding? Though many Muslims dont follow Islam the way they should, there are far far more true Muslims taht you are making it out to be.
2. Violate another principle of Islam and seek peace? Which are we violating to seek peace? The Israeli government does not want peace and will not stop until all the land is theirs. In the face of genocide you expect these people to be humiliated and roll over for Israel?
Peace will NOT do anything. HAve you seen the Jewish settlers constantly stealing more land outside their borders while the government protects them? A man has a right to protect his home and if stolen, regain it.
3. You ask why "cant we feel sorrow"???? You're post is extremely self exalting, foolish, and vain. Have you not seen all the Muslims rallying to support the Palestinians even on this forum? Have you not seen us denounce Israel and vow to end it's terrorism? Have you not seen us cring at the atrocities there?
You are being vain and it shows. You cannot understand what it could feel like to lose your home and be called a thug for trying to regain it. Then after numerous "peace accords" have been reached, the opposition breaks the treaties and continually eats your land and demolishes homes.
You in fact do not understand the situation and are better off not getting involved. Peace is good when both sides adhere to it. Israel, with its racist ideology, will not adhere to it.
Ironically this coming from a Hindu whos chief country, India, has fought several wars over land with Pakistan! :rolleyes:oh:
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There is No Solution until Isreal is Dissolved n an Islamic government is in place!
NOT A SECULAR PALESTINIAN GOVT!!
An Islamic Government, which adheres to the Qur'an n Sunnah.
until then there is no solution.
as for now a decent start would be for Israel to completely withdraw from Gaza, and end the siege and open up the borders for aid, medicine, food, for an improvement to the economy. For the purpose of humanity!
If Hamas ever decides to recognize Israel as a legitimate state as the Palestinian Authority and Abbas have, then they are the same as the Zionists.
But, insha'Allah, they will not do that.
Learn Patience from Asiyah, Loyalty from Khadijah, Sincerity from Aisha and Steadfastness from Fatima.
Iisrael is in Americas back pocket! why cant they all go there??? They will need America for protection because When Iran does step in Israel will get peppered!!!!
Iisrael is in Americas back pocket! why cant they all go there??? They will need America for protection because When Iran does step in Israel will get peppered!!!!
It is more like America is in Israels back pocket. I think we made a mistake in 1947 and now try to hide the mistake by covering it with money. If we wanted to help the Jews we should have brought them from Europe to America instead of giving them Palestinian land.
Don't try to stay awake waiting for Iran to come to the aid of Palestine. While most Iranians are very good people, I do not see much support for the Arab world coming from the Iranian Government. While the Government is anti-Israel I do not find them to be pro-Palestinian or pro-anything Arabic.
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