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    Muslims urged to vote to keep out extremist parties (OP)


    Low turnout could lead to 'openly anti-Muslim parties winning seats in European parliament'.

    Muslim scholars in Britain have urged the country's imams to stress the importance of local and European elections during their sermons, warning that a low turnout could lead to "openly anti-Muslim parties" gaining national and international prominence.

    In a joint statement issued yesterday they called for imams to discuss the need to vote with their congregations as part of their khutbahs – the sermon delivered before Friday afternoon prayers. They said Muslims should go to the ballots on 4 June and "discharge their duty as responsible citizens".

    "Participating in the democratic process is vital," the statement said. "As citizens we have a right to choose the people who represent us and to determine who gets to affect our daily lives. As Muslims, we have an obligation to join hands with others to elect those who will seek the common good.

    "For the first time, openly anti-Muslim parties have a very real chance of gaining national prominence by winning a seat in the European parliament. They will join Islamophobes from continental Europe to further perpetuate their message of hate against Muslims."

    Signatories to the statement include representatives from North London Central Mosque, Green Lane Mosque, Birmingham, and the Council of Muslim theologians.

    The scholars said that some party leaders had described Islam as "a vicious, wicked faith" and "accused Muslims of all sorts of crimes".

    "Their words have led to racist violence – if they get elected they will have public funding that will only amplify their vicious Islamophobia."

    Muslims should exercise their vote and use the opportunity to vote for people who they felt would represent them and would discharge their duty "to seek the common good in a spirit of public service", the scholars said.

    "It is a time to demand greater scrutiny of those who represent us."
    They cautioned against feelings of complacency and disaffection brought on by the MPs expense scandal.

    The statement follows a call by the Church of England's most senior clerics for voters to shun extremist parties whose "core ideology" was sowing division and hostility in Britain's communities based on race or creed.

    The archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, and the archbishop of York, John Sentamu, said it would be "tragic" if people reacted to the expenses scandal by rejecting mainstream parties and either not voting or voting for extreme groups.

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    Re: Muslims urged to vote to keep out extremist parties

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Amadeus85 View Post
    Well actually if I was a Brittish I would prefer muslims there not to vote, neither integrate or participate.
    good thing your from Mars then.
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    Re: Muslims urged to vote to keep out extremist parties

    format_quote Originally Posted by Amadeus85 View Post
    Well actually if I was a Brittish I would prefer muslims there not to vote, neither integrate or participate.
    why don't you want them to integrate?
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    Re: Muslims urged to vote to keep out extremist parties

    format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint View Post
    why don't you want them to integrate?
    It could be the phobia thats going around - the sheer panic
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    Re: Muslims urged to vote to keep out extremist parties

    format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint View Post
    why don't you want them to integrate?
    it will interfere with creation of 4th (led by Catholic Poles this time around) Reich
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    Re: Muslims urged to vote to keep out extremist parties

    format_quote Originally Posted by Zafran View Post
    It could be the phobia thats going around - the sheer panic
    If immigrans integrate there's no reason to panic.
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    Re: Muslims urged to vote to keep out extremist parties

    format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint View Post
    why don't you want them to integrate?
    Because it would lead to legalization and implementation of the anti christian and anti european plan of multiculturalism.
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    Re: Muslims urged to vote to keep out extremist parties

    format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint View Post
    If immigrans integrate there's no reason to panic.
    won't this make the "saint" fuhrer turn in his grave?
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    Re: Muslims urged to vote to keep out extremist parties

    format_quote Originally Posted by Amadeus85 View Post
    Because it would lead to legalization and implementation of the anti christian and anti european plan of multiculturalism.
    whats the "plan of multiculturalism" and what do you mean by anti european?
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    Re: Muslims urged to vote to keep out extremist parties

    format_quote Originally Posted by Amadeus85 View Post
    Because it would lead to legalization and implementation of the anti christian and anti european plan of multiculturalism.
    Integration is not the same as multiculturalism.
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    Re: Muslims urged to vote to keep out extremist parties

    format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint View Post
    If immigrans integrate there's no reason to panic.
    well let them in first
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    Re: Muslims urged to vote to keep out extremist parties

    format_quote Originally Posted by Zafran View Post
    well let them in first
    We first need to integrate the ones already here.
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    Re: Muslims urged to vote to keep out extremist parties

    format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint View Post
    Integration is not the same as multiculturalism.
    yes but what does Amendeus mean by the "plan".
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    Re: Muslims urged to vote to keep out extremist parties

    format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint View Post
    We first need to integrate the ones already here.
    I thought you were pro Multiculturalism and wanted people to live by there culture?
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Zafran View Post
    I thought you were pro Multiculturalism and wanted people to live by there culture?
    Yes, but I said I only support multiculturalism to a limited extent, a combiantion f both is ideal, people integrate and retain parts of their culture for a few generations, that's different than people living solely by their old culture, dreaming of an entirely new legal system imposed on their new home, supporting foreign countries over their new one, wearing the niqaab etc.
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    Re: Muslims urged to vote to keep out extremist parties

    format_quote Originally Posted by Zafran View Post
    whats the "plan of multiculturalism" and what do you mean by anti european?
    Multiculturalism is an ideology coming from the same source as feminism,radical ecology, gay activism and earlier communism. The same people who support multiculturalism nowadays, 30 years ago were marching with the posters of Lenin, Pol Pot and Marx. Multiculturalism has same goal, but with different ways. And I call it as anti christian and anti european.
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    Re: Muslims urged to vote to keep out extremist parties

    format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint View Post
    Yes, but I said I only support multiculturalism to a limited extent, a combiantion f both is ideal, people integrate and retain parts of their culture for a few generations, that's different than people living solely by their old culture, dreaming of an entirely new legal system imposed on their new home, supporting foreign countries over their new one, wearing the niqaab etc.
    But that's off topic.
    Yes it is...............................
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    Re: Muslims urged to vote to keep out extremist parties

    Having thought about it, our 'Ulema seem to be encouraging us to vote in order to keep out the openly anti-Muslim parties so I'm not going to contradict the people who have knowledge.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Amadeus85 View Post
    Multiculturalism is an ideology coming from the same source as feminism,radical ecology, gay activism and earlier communism. The same people who support multiculturalism nowadays, 30 years ago were marching with the posters of Lenin, Pol Pot and Marx. Multiculturalism has same goal, but with different ways. And I call it as anti christian and anti european.
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    Re: Muslims urged to vote to keep out extremist parties

    format_quote Originally Posted by Amadeus85 View Post
    Multiculturalism is an ideology coming from the same source as feminism,radical ecology, gay activism and earlier communism. The same people who support multiculturalism nowadays, 30 years ago were marching with the posters of Lenin, Pol Pot and Marx. Multiculturalism has same goal, but with different ways. And I call it as anti christian and anti european.
    what do you mean by anti-european??? and people who support multiculturalism are not all feminists,radical ecologists, gay activist and earlier communist - most of those ideas and people who did that are dead anyway - its a gross genralisation.
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    Re: Muslims urged to vote to keep out extremist parties

    format_quote Originally Posted by Uthmān View Post
    Having thought about it, our 'Ulema seem to be encouraging us to vote in order to keep out the openly anti-Muslim parties so I'm not going to contradict the people who have knowledge.
    the BNP won't win in a million years and the entire Muslim community voting someone else can only lose them one seat, according to the surveys they'll get three I think.
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