North Korea Threatens to Wipe the U.S. off the Map (OP)
North Korea accused Washington of seeking to "provoke a second Korean War" as the regime prepared to hold maritime military exercises off the eastern coast.
U.S. and regional authorities were watching closely for signs that North Korea might fire short- or mid-range missiles during the June 25 to July 10 timeframe cited in a no-sail ban for military drills sent to Japan's Coast Guard.
North Korea had warned previously it would fire a long-range missile as a response to U.N. Security Council condemnation of an April rocket launch seen as a cover for its ballistic missile technology.
An underground nuclear test last month drew more Security Council action: a resolution seeking to clamp down on North Korea's trading of banned arms and weapons-related material by requiring U.N. member states to request inspections of ships carrying suspected cargo.
In a first test of the new resolution, a North Korean ship suspected of transporting illicit weapons was sailing off China's coast with a U.S. destroyer close behind.
The Kang Nam, which left the North Korean port of Nampo a week ago, is believed bound for Myanmar, South Korean and U.S. officials said.
A senior U.S. defense official, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was unable to discuss intelligence on the vessel, said Wednesday that the ship had already cleared the Taiwan Strait.
He said he didn't know how much range the Kang Nam has — that is, whether or when it may need to stop in some port to refuel — but that the Kang Nam has in the past stopped in Hong Kong's port.
North Korea has said it would consider interception a declaration of war, and on Wednesday accused the U.S. of seeking to start another Korean War.
"If the U.S. imperialists start another war, the army and people of Korea will ... wipe out the aggressors on the globe once and for all," a dispatch from the official Korean Central News Agency said.
The warning came on the eve of the 59th anniversary of the outbreak of the Korean War. The brutal fighting ended after three years in a truce in 1953, not a peace treaty, leaving the peninsula divided and in a state of war. The U.S. has 28,500 troops in South Korea to protect against an outbreak of hostilities.
On Wednesday, the top U.S. commander in South Korea, Gen. Walter Sharp, praised soldiers from U.S.-led U.N. forces who died fighting the "tyranny" of communist North Korea decades ago.
"A North Korean victory in the Korean War would have brought the nightmare of tyranny to this great land, thrusting the citizens of the Republic of Korea into a darkness that their northern counterparts have yet to emerge from," he said a commemoration ceremony Wednesday, referring to South Korea by its official name, the Republic of Korea.
Reports about possible missile launches from the North highlighted the state of tension on the Korean peninsula.
A senior South Korean government official said the no-sail ban is believed connected to North Korean plans to fire short- or mid-range missiles. He spoke on condition of anonymity, citing department policy.
Yonhap reported that the North may fire a Scud missile with a range of up to 310 miles (500 kilometers) or a short-range ground-to-ship missile with a range of 100 miles (160 kilometers) during the no-sail period.
U.S. defense and counterproliferation officials in Washington said they also expected the North to launch short- to medium-range missiles. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence.
South Korea will expedite the introduction of high-tech unmanned aerial surveillance systems and "bunker-buster" bombs in response to North Korea's provocations, the Chosun Ilbo newspaper said, citing lawmakers.
Meanwhile, a flurry of diplomatic efforts were under way to try getting North Korea to return to disarmament talks.
Russia's top nuclear envoy, Alexei Borodavkin, said after meeting with his South Korean counterpart that Moscow is open to other formats for discussion since Pyongyang has pulled out of formal six-nation negotiations.
In Beijing, top U.S. and Chinese defense officials also discussed North Korea. U.S. Defense Undersecretary Michele Flournoy was heading next to Tokyo and Seoul for talks.
South Korea has proposed high-level "consultations" to discuss North Korea with the U.S., Russia, China and Japan.
Jazzakallah o Khairan for understanding.
Right now I am in office and normally avoid posting as it takes me away from work which normally i can't afford.
Re: North Korea Threatens to Wipe the U.S. off the Map
format_quote Originally Posted by Tilmeez
What about poor Afghans and Iraqi people? Think about a family who’s only provider is out for earning something to eat for whole family and then in the evening he comes in pieces. You have not seen children with halves of there bodies torn apart. You have not seen ladies… leave it man. I have personally seen these people in Afghan refugee camps and they live a worst life than an American can think
What I hear you saying is that the conditions of Afghans and Iraqi people are already sufficient justification for North Korea to launch a missile at the USA. Is that actually what you intended to say?
Re: North Korea Threatens to Wipe the U.S. off the Map
What I hear you saying is that the conditions of Afghans and Iraqi people are already sufficient justification for North Korea to launch a missile at the USA. Is that actually what you intended to say?
NO!
I meant US herself is making enemies whereas she was supposed to make friends with the same money, or far lesser than that, she is spending on making enemies.
Obama is mainly change of face no or avoidable change in policies. This of course won't help US.
Re: North Korea Threatens to Wipe the U.S. off the Map
format_quote Originally Posted by Tilmeez
NO!
I meant US herself is making enemies whereas she was supposed to make friends with the same money, or far lesser than that, she is spending on making enemies.
Obama is mainly change of face no or avoidable change in policies. This of course won't help US.
Ah, so you were making a new comment independent of my question as to what the US should do if attacked. Gotcha.
Re: North Korea Threatens to Wipe the U.S. off the Map
Ah, so you were making a new comment independent of my question as to what the US should do if attacked. Gotcha.
Just leaving a note.
How many times US has asked for suggestions before invading any conuntry? Or how many suggestions she has taken into consideration? :X
Re: North Korea Threatens to Wipe the U.S. off the Map
format_quote Originally Posted by Tilmeez
Just leaving a note.
How many times US has asked for suggestions before invading any conuntry? Or how many suggestions she has taken into consideration? :X
Actually, outside of Iraq I can't think of a time when the US acted unilaterally. Either we were ourselves attacked (or felt the threat of imminent attack), we were invited in/requested to come to someone's aid, or we did so in cooperation/consultation with other countries. That's not to say that we have always been in the right, but I would rather have our record than that of most other nations. Certainly it is preferable to that of North Korea -- which is the focus here, why do you so strongly want to switch it to the US?
Last edited by Grace Seeker; 06-25-2009 at 07:58 AM.
Re: North Korea Threatens to Wipe the U.S. off the Map
why do you so strongly want to switch it to the US?
I don't have a reason or can't express it in right way. I have been very active in my university days for Afghanistan, especially.
Watching blood on TV or in picture is something very else than watching it actually all around you.
I am a top class hunter and I hunt every thing from birds to rabbits and pigs (not for eating but for the reason they distroy our crops) but their blood never made me feel anything etc but watching human blood and standing to it is most difficult thing.
I love my daughters and I understand their feeling about me - their dad. Millions of Afghan girls have not seen their dads even in pictures :'(. What is use of such a life.
Some 9 months back my dad died I miss him as my father but I badly miss him as grandfather of my daughters.
do i sound load and clear? I can continue with hundred of such things which are my own experience.
I will try not posting on this thread. This hurts me, beleive you me! :"(
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Tilmeez, it is good to tell your story. Often I find that it is the personal stories, not the overarching ones seen on the news, but those that involve individuals that help us to connect with how national politics impact daily human life. May your daughters have their father till you reach a ripe old age.
Re: North Korea Threatens to Wipe the U.S. off the Map
format_quote Originally Posted by Grace Seeker
So, there seems to be agreement that North Korea is posturing and not going to wipe the USA off the map. But what should the USA do if North Korea does actually launch a missile at the USA (or anyone else for that matter)? I'm curious what the non-Americans here think would be an appropriate response?
Tit for tat. My response would be even more disastrous. Our nuclear weapons are supposed to be deterrents but the nuclear weapons would be launched against any country that fires a nuke to any of our lands without a doubt. Whoever starts it is thick as pig turd. You do not mess with a technologically advanced country that has enough ammo to wipe out their country again, again, again, again....
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I doubt that NK would launch any nukes against the USA. Their missle program does not seem to have the Quantity needed nor the Accuracy and range to do any significant damage.
However, I would not put it past them to launch them against Indonesia, Malaysia, South Korea or Japan and then shout they will continue the attacks until those countries join in the attack against the USA.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Grace Seeker
OK. That's one point of view. I appreciate you taking the time to respond. Are there other non-Americans who might care to also respond, please:
There seems to be agreement that North Korea is posturing and not going to wipe the USA off the map. But what should the USA do if North Korea does actually launch a missile at the USA (or anyone else for that matter)? I'm curious what the non-Americans here think would be an appropriate response?
If North Korea were to attack your country, what would you want your country to do?
I would firstly like to state, America and North Korea both should need to settle down and negotiate. Both sides need to come up with an agreement. We have enough bloodshed as it is. We do not need another war.
If North Korea were to attack America first, then America has every right to defend itself.
I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
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Actually, wipe the U.S. off the map is easy. Just print a new map without U.S.
But wipe the U.S. off the earth is nearly impossible. North Korea has not enough nuclear misile for attack U.S. I think Kim Jong Il must sleep again and countinue his dream.
format_quote Originally Posted by Aardvark
However, I would not put it past them to launch them against Indonesia, Malaysia, South Korea or Japan and then shout they will continue the attacks until those countries join in the attack against the USA.
What is launch them ? launch nuclear misile ?.
North Korea has no reason for attack Indonesia. Indonesia is not their enemy.
Maybe tomorow I must ask some Indonesian singer, artists and parliament member. What was their experience when they visited North Korea ?.
Re: North Korea Threatens to Wipe the U.S. off the Map
format_quote Originally Posted by Aardvark
I doubt that NK would launch any nukes against the USA. Their missle program does not seem to have the Quantity needed nor the Accuracy and range to do any significant damage.
However, I would not put it past them to launch them against Indonesia, Malaysia, South Korea or Japan and then shout they will continue the attacks until those countries join in the attack against the USA.
why would anyone want to attack indonesia and malaysia, they hardly ever make problems for other countries.
Re: North Korea Threatens to Wipe the U.S. off the Map
format_quote Originally Posted by Aardvark
However, I would not put it past them to launch them against Indonesia, Malaysia, South Korea or Japan and then shout they will continue the attacks until those countries join in the attack against the USA.
Evidence for these claims?
I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
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