this wasnt reported at all in the news, i found out by chance because some guy left a comment on one of my videos saying he attended these protests.
this should start waking some Muslims up and face the music that a pattern is happening here, if we continue downplaying this as a minor thing, or that its just a few minority extremists then it will only be bad for us, the warning signs all over the place.
It seems to me you want to chuck the Africans, Indians and Pakistanis out but not the South Africans, Australians, New Zealanders and North Americans?
This despite the fact that the latter bunch are more likely to have jobs and the former bunch are more likely to be unemployed.
If they're unemployed then yes they should all be deported as they're not contributing to this country. Jobs should go to the British first and if we need to look overseas (EU before non-EU states) to fill the gaps then fair enough but ONLY to fill the gaps in our working industry, nothing more.
There is a MASSIVE difference between the 1960s and the year 2009.
OK lets get back on topic - there were these protests in Birmingham.
Who did the protesting , who were their backers what was their motivation
What did they achieve .
If they're unemployed then yes they should all be deported as they're not contributing to this country. Jobs should go to the British first and if we need to look overseas (EU before non-EU states) to fill the gaps then fair enough but ONLY to fill the gaps in our working industry, nothing more.
What of my autistic sister then? She was born of foreign parents in the UK, doesn't belong in any other country and probably wont be getting a job if her condition doesn't improve. Where are you gonna send her?
You need to get a sense of humanity.
I thought this was the Islamic Board, what the hell is going on?!
We were on about racist protests and then people start talking about immigration, presumably to try and justify it.
Uhhh. I'm leaving this forum. I can't be arsed with this.
If they're unemployed then yes they should all be deported as they're not contributing to this country. Jobs should go to the British first and if we need to look overseas (EU before non-EU states) to fill the gaps then fair enough but ONLY to fill the gaps in our working industry, nothing more.
Why are you still assuming Africans, Indians, Pakistanis (basically all ethnic minorities) do not have British passports and are not citizens today.
The NHS would not have survived in the 1960's if it had not been for Indian doctors. This is besides the point. I think this thread should be closed. We've wasted enough time bating on useless things.
Fe Amaanillah.
‘Say: If the ocean were ink wherewith to write out the words of my Lord, sooner would the ocean be exhausted, even if We added another ocean like it.’~Al Qu'raan (18:109)
What of my autistic sister then? She was born of foreign parents in the UK, doesn't belong in any other country and probably wont be getting a job if her condition doesn't improve. Where are you gonna send her?
You need to get a sense of humanity.
I thought this was the Islamic Board, what the hell is going on?!
We were on about racist protests and then people start talking about immigration, presumably to try and justify it.
Uhhh. I'm leaving this forum. I can't be arsed with this.
If she's British born then shes fine. But if her parents aren't British born and are aren't working then they should be forced to work and if they decline then I'm afraid to say they should be deported from the UK as they are refusing to contribute. I don't agree with British tax payers paying for migrants' benefits. This is all just common sense.
There is a fundemental problem with deporting all immigrants who do not work. For one, when immigrants come to a new county, many times they bring family or they start families to the country they immigrate to. What this does is actually strengthen the population. By simply deporting those who do not, or simply can not work or find work, you are putting limitations on the progress of a nation. For when the nation working class gets older, and are no longer able to work or are limited to a certain time of work, the younger generation will start to be scarce, then the nation will once again turn to immigrants to revamp the working class. Deporting non-working immigrants is simply not a logical solution and is an easy cop out. What would be a more intelligent thing is adding more immigration laws and making it stricter for new immigrants.
But simply deporting non-working immigrants is a falacious idea and aside from the problems listed above it is a form of alienation. Terrible idea. This is one of those "back to the drawing board" ideas.
Well, as long as their are people, their will be protests. O well. If they want to spend their day walking around with posters/signs, power to them, I'd prefer to workout lol.
These anti-muslim extremists have it in their minds that muslims are violent and terrorists. So to counter that, you are encouraging muslims to stockpile arms and go out and "defend themselves".
These anti-muslim extremists have it in their minds that muslims are violent and terrorists. So to counter that, you are encouraging muslims to stockpile arms and go out and "defend themselves".
You don't see a circle here?
I agree, actually. I used to think that we needed to rise against the governments that abuse Muslims but this post changed my mind.
Our situation is caused by our failures and is a punishment from Allah. We need to come together as an Ummah and start BEING Muslims. We need to refute the sellout "liberal" Muslims and oppose the violent "extremist" ones. How can we ask for justice if we ourselves are not embodying the Quran and Allah's justice?
We need to come together as an Ummah and start BEING Muslims. We need to refute the sellout "liberal" Muslims and oppose the violent "extremist" ones.
Couldn't agree more. Islam is all about moderation! End of story.
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‘Say: If the ocean were ink wherewith to write out the words of my Lord, sooner would the ocean be exhausted, even if We added another ocean like it.’~Al Qu'raan (18:109)
These anti-muslim extremists have it in their minds that muslims are violent and terrorists. So to counter that, you are encouraging muslims to stockpile arms and go out and "defend themselves".
I have spoken to many Muslim youth. A group of them are planning to come in England shirts and shout ENGLAND ENGLAND back at the fascists, and then do a mass prayer right in front of them. There will most likely be a white British Muslim revert leading them on the megaphone.
I ask all those who will be in the Birmingham counter-protest to allow them the space to perform this mass prayer. It will be symbolic if the media are watching. The Muslim youth of the city of Birmingham, praying to Allah in the face of racist chants and abuse coming from behind the police lines.
They have said that they are against fanatics like Anjem Choudary and HizbuTahrir, if any of them are seen they will be ejected from the anti-fascist protest. Because these characters are used effectively by the fascists as strawmen, and have so far handed them this confrontation on a plate.
They have also said that whilst they are aware that the 500+ thugs on their way to the city centre are looking for a violent confrontation, they are not going to make it easy for them to have it. They want to show restraint.
Promising stuff!
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Why did I choose Pakistan? Because in the UK it's in the norm for muslims, even British-born muslims, to opt for Pakistan over England.
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