South Park creators warned over Muhammad depiction

**questioner8** · 04-22-2010

Is the islamist reaction backed up by islam/muslims in general?

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South Park warned over Muhammad
Islamists have warned the creators of TV show South Park they could face violent retribution for depicting the Prophet Muhammad in a bear suit.
A posting on the website of the US-based group, Revolution Muslim, told Matt Stone and Trey Parker they would "probably wind up like Theo Van Gogh".
The Dutch film-maker was shot and stabbed to death in 2004 by an Islamist angered by his film about Muslim women.
A subsequent episode of the cartoon bleeped out references to Muhammad.
Drug-snorting Buddha
The posting gave details about a home Stone and Parker reportedly co-own.
It also listed the addresses of their production office in California and the New York office of South Park's broadcaster, Comedy Central.
"We have to warn Matt and Trey that what they are doing is stupid and they will probably wind up like Theo Van Gogh for airing this show," warned the posting, written in the name of Abu Talhah Al-Amrikee.
"This is not a threat, but a warning of the reality of what will likely happen to them," it added.
Mr al-Amrikee later told the Associated Press the posting was not an incitement to violence. It had been published to raise awareness of the issue and to see that it did not happen again, he added.

“ This is not a threat, but a warning of the reality of what will likely happen to them ”
Abu Talhah Al-Amrikee
A Comedy Central spokesman said the network had no comment.
In the 200th episode of South Park, broadcast in the US and UK last week, Muhammad appeared several times inside a bear suit. Figures from other religions were also depicted, including a drug-snorting Buddha.
Wednesday's 201st episode saw any spoken references to Muhammad bleeped out, while a prominent banner stating "censored" was used in the programme.
Speaking in an interview with the Boing Boing website before the 200th show aired, the South Park team defended the scenes.
"We'd be so hypocritical against our own message, our own thoughts, if we said, 'okay, well let's not make fun of them because they won't hurt us,'" said Parker.
"It matters to me when we talk about Muhammad that I can say we did this... and I can stand behind that," Stone added.
"I don't think it's going to change the world, but this is how it's got to be for our show."
In 2006, Comedy Central banned Stone and Parker from showing an image of Muhammad in an episode that was intended to be part of a comment on the controversy caused by the publication of caricatures of the prophet by a Danish newspaper.
An earlier episode, Super-Best Friends (2001), contained an image of Muhammad but passed without comment.
"It was before the Danish cartoon controversy, so it somehow is fine," Stone told Boing Boing.
"Then, after that, now that's the new normal. We lost. Something that was okay is now not okay."
Muslims consider any physical representation of their prophet to be blasphemous. The caricatures published in Denmark sparked mass protests worldwide.

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Published: 2010/04/22 08:58:52 GMT

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**Donia** · 04-23-2010

South Park is a weird show.
I don't think they have any boundaries on what they will use as their attempts at comedy.

Has anyone seen the movie (years ago)? They even depicted Shaytan and Sadaam Hussein in a disgusting way. This show is just dumb and I just avoid watching it.

On a side note, I think the brother made it very clear that he wasn't issuing a threat, he was merely stating what he intended to do. I'm not saying that I agree with him, but at least he is trying to stick up for what he believes is right.
In my opinion, I say just leave the idiots to their sins and let Allah judge them.

**aamirsaab** · 04-23-2010

TBH, I've seen worse images on this very forum (courtesy of our long-time friends the trolls) than anything depicted in south park.

**Skavau** · 04-23-2010

Originally Posted by Ummu Sufyaan

everyone else is allowed to complain if they dont like something or feel offended if something they dont like appears on a show/newspaper/magazine.

Yes, they are allowed to complain. Not make threats on people's lives.

Originally Posted by naidamar

I seriously doubt your attempt at logical thinking.

1. Has any catholic made it blasphemy to depict pope? In any case, they would be so proud and invite the muslims to the vatican to have dinner with the Pope. Have you actually met any catholic at all? or understood the tenets of their theology? They even made their god in painted rubber complete with blinking lights and singing angels. You can buy them in your nearest mart especially in the run up to the holidays.

2. Muslims are not allowed to create images out of living being, with even much stricter ban on the depiction of prophets pbut, one of the purposes is to avoid and prevent idolatry, so I doubt any muslim would depict pope just out of amusement. Muslims would not do such thing, and ask for the same respect in return.

I seriously suspect you have completely missed the point. It does not matter whether or not depiction of Muhammed or the Pope is allowed, what matters is that the fact that these people are making death threats over it.

**Skavau** · 04-23-2010

Originally Posted by Donia

South Park is a weird show.
I don't think they have any boundaries on what they will use as their attempts at comedy.

No they don't. They mock and ridicule everything.

On a side note, I think the brother made it very clear that he wasn't issuing a threat, he was merely stating what he intended to do. I'm not saying that I agree with him, but at least he is trying to stick up for what he believes is right.
In my opinion, I say just leave the idiots to their sins and let Allah judge them.

Oh, so how does that make it any better? He's not making threats, oh no, he specifically means to try and murder people.

**Ummu Sufyaan** · 04-23-2010

Originally Posted by Trumble

There is just a 'slight' difference between 'complaining' and death threats.

Originally Posted by Skavau

Yes, they are allowed to complain. Not make threats on people's lives.

that wasn't what i was referring to. i want replying in regards to Pygoscelis post

You guys do realize that threats like this only makes people like the makers of SouthPark (and myself) want to stand up to such bully threats and do the opposite of what is demanded, right? The whole cartoon issue that depicted Mohammed, for example, had been forgotten and would have not been seen by many people except that some crazy islamists resurrected the story and drew world media attention to it. As a result, lots of us people who otherwise would not have cared, wanted to see these cartoons and wanted them to be published again and again. Sometimes these islamists are their own worst enemies.

when something is targeted at us, everyone tells us to shut up and get over it becuase "so and such target every group and everyone." why is it when it happens to us we are told to shut up and ignore it otherwise it will just draw more attention whereas this isnt the case for others. would this be the case for others who got targeted?

**Skavau** · 04-23-2010

when something is targeted at us, everyone tells us to shut up and get over it becuase "so and such target every group and everyone." why is it when it happens to us we are told to shut up and ignore it otherwise it will just draw more attention whereas this isnt the case for others. would this be the case for others who got targeted?

Well I certainly do not say that. It is your right to complain if you like. Those who state that you (and Muslims in general) should be quiet and ignore it likely do so in the context of presuming that threats of violence are laced and absolute demands are made.

But, it is up to you. When Christians complained about Monty Python it bought more attention to it. When they complained about Jerry Springer: The Opera, the same also happened.

**Supreme** · 04-23-2010

The death threateners must possess an IQ below room temperature to watch South Park in the first place. Even I find some of the content grossly offensive against religion, and I'm not offended very easily at all. So I generally stay away from the programme.

**S_87** · 04-23-2010

You guys do realize that threats like this only makes people like the makers of SouthPark (and myself) want to stand up to such bully threats and do the opposite of what is demanded, right?

why go down that road at all? whos the bully? the person who is purposely insults and taunts? or the person who stands up for themselves?
muslims would NEVER do that to Jesus peace be upon him. the pope is not in line with Muhammed peace and blessings be upon him, so im using jesus pbuh....non muslims regularly insult muslim scholars and we dont see this outcry...

**Missinglinks** · 04-23-2010

Bismillah alhamdolillah

those who argue that this is not insulting and muslims shouldn't complain...

see this movie, it says enough, more than enough... see it to the end

**islamirama** · 04-23-2010

Originally Posted by Skavau

No they don't. They mock and ridicule everything..

Everybody but the jews, it seems they are off limits lest you be called anti-semetic, forced to apology on tv, pay ransom and what not!

**Ramadhan** · 04-23-2010

Originally Posted by Skavau

I seriously suspect you have completely missed the point. It does not matter whether or not depiction of Muhammed or the Pope is allowed, what matters is that the fact that these people are making death threats over it.

I am certain that you have become Blackpool's mouthpiece, which is might as well as I seriously suspect your braincells are not working in this case.

Here's what Blakpool wrote:

Imagine a non-muslim killing a muslim that depicted the pope? Then a non-muslim website shows a picture of the dead muslim and then warns muslim producers that it could be repeated if they did anything of the sort again. What would you think? Idiots...!

He wants to show that such case could hypothetically happen but with roles reversed, and I refuted him and provided facts in doing so.

Meanwhile, all you did is scream "look! some moslem issued death threats! it's not fair!"

You might want to have a look at statistics how many muslims have been killed senselessly by western governments and then come back here to have a more fair perspectives.

**aadil77** · 04-23-2010

Originally Posted by islamirama

Everybody but the jews, it seems they are off limits lest you be called anti-semetic, forced to apology on tv, pay ransom and what not!

yh these jews have their own anti-semitsm laws in place

**Ramadhan** · 04-23-2010

Originally Posted by Skavau

No they don't. They mock and ridicule everything.

Oh, so how does that make it any better? He's not making threats, oh no, he specifically means to try and murder people.

Now they have learned that not everything is a material to mock and ridicule.
Well, at least not without some repercussions.

Just because all people of other religions are meek and willing to see their religions get trashed, it does not mean that they can do that to Islam.

**جوري** · 04-23-2010

It is called the anti-defamation league.. google it.. you can only defame a Jew, but apparently not Muslims!

**Supreme** · 04-23-2010

South Park has included offensive depictions of Moses, has it not? How on Earth can you claim it hasn't insulted Jews when it's portrayed Moses in a satirical light! As a matter of fact, a whole episode was dedicated to insulting Judaism...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewbilee

Jewbilee" is the ninth episode of the third season and 40th overall episode of the animated television series South Park. The final part of The Meteor Shower Trilogy, the episode described what happened to Kyle and Kenny, who both went to a Jewish Scouting camp, on the night of the meteor shower. The episode satirized misconceptions of Judaism [1] and originally aired on July 28, 1999.

I would say that I hate it when I'm right, but frankly, I don't.

**جوري** · 04-23-2010

I don't watch south park. I don't know who they portray I do know that the show is created by scientologists or there are constant references to scientology .. I think the entire show is in very bad taste, not sure who would watch it unless beavis and butthead type individuals .. whatever the case, it has received more attention that it deserves which I suspect is what low lives resort to when all else fails.. all these shows like family guy and ugly americans etc are just so disgusting, I don't know why there is no censorship, I think they should be made akin to porn, either on special channels where you have to pay or at some hour of the night where normal folks with paying jobs don't pay it much heed.. there is no point in such shows unless it is to get a reaction pure and simple..

I saw by accident a show once where bert and ernie from sesame street were turned into homosexuals and the dialogue was unbelievable and it is really sad to turn beloved childhood characters into such an abomination even if for a laugh.. I think the folks who make such shows are akin to animals, they were probably raised on the streets and as such can't uplift themselves to handle and deal with the rest of society but fancy themselves really clever or non-conformists or whatever term they convince themselves of to feel better about what they do.

Most folks outgrow the stupidities of their teen years, but these people like to persist in their bullying and stupidity and we should let them.. I really don't want anyone to pay them much attention anymore than they would a two dollar common street wh ore

**KAding** · 04-23-2010

Originally Posted by Lisa0

I agree, We muslims do not write books disrespecting other faiths we do not draw cartoons mocking the religious figures of other faiths we do not spend even a fraction of the time that these people do demeaning Islam disrespecting other faiths. These people have far too much time on their hands. It's pathetic.
Salam

I would respectfully have to disagree. I see very little respect for unbelievers in the Qu'ran.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Unfortunately, on this matter neither the Qu'ran, countless Muslims or the creators of South Park are without sin.

**cat eyes** · 04-23-2010

south park crosses all limits even they go as far as taking the piss out of mentally handicap people i use to watch it before i was practicing but even then i still felt there was alot of inappropriate stuff in it. very perverted stuff

**جوري** · 04-23-2010

Originally Posted by KAding

I would respectfully have to disagree. I see very little respect for unbelievers in the Qu'ran.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Unfortunately, on this matter neither the Qu'ran, countless Muslims or the creators of South Park are without sin.

funny you should quote that:

That is what Misquoting Jesus is about, and I talk a little about it in the new book, Jesus, Interrupted, that we don't have any of the originals of the New Testament. What we have are copies made later, usually centuries later, and these copies are all different from each other, sometimes in big ways, most of the time in little ways. We have thousands of these manuscripts, but these thousands of manuscripts have hundreds of thousands of differences in them. A lot of them are just misspelled words that don't matter much, if anything, but there are big differences too. There are some entire passages that were inserted or omitted in one manuscript or another.
For example, the story in which Mary Magdalene is about to be stoned by the crowd until Jesus intervenes and says, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
It's an interesting story. Later tradition identified her as Mary Magdalene, but actually the story doesn't. This is a mistake people make because in all the Jesus movies, she's Mary Magdalene. But she's an unnamed woman who gets caught in the act of adultery. So yeah, "Let the one who is without sin be the first to cast a stone at her." This entire story, a beautiful story that in some ways you could argue is the favorite story of people who read the Gospels, wasn't in the Gospels. It's only found in the Gospel of John, and it's not found in the earliest and best manuscripts of John. So scholars for hundreds of years have known that it wasn't part of John, it was a story that was added later by scribes because it's found only in our later manuscripts.
That's a big one.

http://www.indyweek.com/indyweek/com...nt?oid=1214629

made up history, made up Gospels, made up decency, made up propriety, made up goodness made up (fill in the blank) and justify stupidity!

**Maryan0** · 04-23-2010

Originally Posted by KAding

I would respectfully have to disagree. I see very little respect for unbelievers in the Qu'ran.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Unfortunately, on this matter neither the Qu'ran, countless Muslims or the creators of South Park are without sin.

what disrespect is there for unbelievers in the quran, if you are a kufar you are a kufar if you willfully disbelieve in islam than your abode will be hell, these are our beliefs in the same way a christian believes that people who disbelieve in their religion will not enter the kingdom of heaven in the same way an athiest believes that we worship a non existent diety. I dont care if you tell me i'll go to hell or that my religion is false because I believe otherwise. That's not disrespect. The point is muslims do not mock the religious figures of other faiths as has been done with our prophet, we dont draw comics that show bestiality or religious figures with bombs on their heads. We do not insult the religious figure of other faiths, criticism and debate or not the same as mockery and insult.