Non-Muslims to be allowed to live in part of Medina (OP)
JEDDAH // Non-Muslims can never get the feel of what is it like to live in Mecca or Medina, Islam’s holy cities, as only Muslims are allowed to enter them. But this is about to change when the new "smart city" being built in Medina is completed.
Knowledge Economic City (KEC), Saudi Arabia’s first “smart city” – its buildings are all connected via voice, data and video links – will open its doors to non-Muslims as the city is planned to be a window on Islam to the world, one of the project owners said.
Sami Baroum, the managing director of Savola group, the largest private owner in the project, said that one-third of the new city, which will be developed on an area of 4.8 million square metres, will be outside of the forbidden area known as the Haram. It is expected to open in five years.
“For the first time, non-Muslims will be able to experience living within a Muslim holy city,” Mr Baroum said. “They will not live inside the Haram area, but they will be very close to it as they can see the lights of the Prophet Mohammed’s Mosque.”
The city, known as KEC, will be developed fully over 15 years at a cost of 30 billion riyals (Dh29bn) to serve both the tourist and commercial needs of Medina.
The Saudi King Abdullah, who donated the project’s land, worth one billion riyals, owns the majority stake in KEC through his King Abdullah Foundation for His Parents for Charitable Housing. All the revenues generated through property sales in KEC will go to the foundation to provide housing for poor Saudis.
According to design plans, KEC will accommodate up to 150,000 people in its residential areas, which will be supported by planned commercial complexes, hospitality facilities, a theme park and an Islamic museum.
“All surrounding countries are interested in building Islamic museums with large investments. Medina should be the city where non-Muslims come to understand the history of Islam instead,” Mr Baroum said.
The mosque areas in Mecca and Medina are sanctuaries for Muslims, according to Islamic law. The forbidden area of the Haram in both cities is well defined, but with expansion over the years many parts of the two cities are now outside the forbidden zones.
In Medina, the residential area surrounding the holy mosque is limited and has reached its accommodation capacity.
Mr Baroum said KEC allows Medina to grow outside of the central area close to the mosque and towards a new international airport that is under construction. He said he wants the airport to become a hub for Muslim travellers, particularly during Haj.
“Muslim flocks will come to Medina from all around the world once the airport is completed, and we want to make sure that non-Muslims as well can come to Medina and have a place to stay,” he said.
Saudi Arabia is investing heavily to develop a religious tourism sector as part of its efforts to move its economy away from oil, and for the first time, the kingdom hopes to attract non-Muslim visitors.
Mr Baroum said the KEC will also have a train station for a 450km high-speed railway linking the two holy cities to Jeddah.
“The new train station will be built in the one-third area located out of the Haram area, and non-Muslims can come to Medina by land to enjoy Islamic tourism attractions we will build there,” he said.
The KEC developers also plan for it to cater for the needs of the local population as well. Medina’s population stands at one million and the developers expect it to double in 20 years.
“Out of the additional one million people, we only want to attract 75,000 or 7.5 per cent to live in the KEC. The other half of KEC’s inhabitants should come from outside of Medina,” Mr Baroum said. He hopes to attract retirees as well as highly skilled workers.
As for its business and knowledge core, Mr Baroum said, the city is expected to be home to biomedical and information technology-related industries.
Developers hope the project will position Saudi Arabia and young Muslim entrepreneurs as internationally respected leaders in knowledge-based industries. They estimate that employers based there will create more than 20,000 jobs.
Employees of those industries would be able to live nearby.
“We want to make a reverse brain drain to attract back all the Muslim minds from the West to develop an Islamic knowledge-related economy in one of Islam’s holy cities,” Mr Baroum said.
“Attracting the right people ... is the difficult part,” he said. “Providing them with the right infrastructure to do it is the easy part.
“We already hired the world’s largest network solution company, Cisco Systems, to do the job.”
According to a press statement after the signing of a contract in 2008, Cisco said it would provide the network architecture for the city.
“We have non-Muslims eager to understand Islam, and we have 1.4 billion Muslims who need to visit Medina. I can’t think of a target market better than this,” Mr Baroum said.
When it was launched by King Abdullah and announced by the Saudi Arabian General Investment Authority in 2006, KEC, to the east of Medina, was the fourth of six economic cities designed to diversify the country away from oil and to provide jobs to a rapidly expanding population.
According to the investment authority, KEC will also have an Islamic civilisation studies centre designed to be a hub of intellectual activity, focused on collecting, developing and transmitting the knowledge, values and artwork of Islamic civilisation, as well as finding Islamic solutions to contemporary problems such as designing Islamic banking products.
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This is a genuine question: Muslims see Jerusalem as incredibly holy too. If there was an Islamic caliphate in control of the city, would non-Muslims be expelled from Jerusalem, despite there being holy sites in the city?
When Salah al-din conquered Jerusalem, were all the non-muslims expelled from there?
And as for the onewho fears standing in front of His Lord and restrainsthe soul from impure evil desires and lusts, verily, Paradise will be his abode [79:40-41]
Re: Non-Muslims to be allowed to live in part of Medina
format_quote Originally Posted by Güven
When Salah al-din conquered Jerusalem, were all the non-muslims expelled from there?
No. But that was in the past; I'm asking whether today's generation of Muslims do it. As anticipated, the Muslims that have responded have said they wouldn't.
Re: Non-Muslims to be allowed to live in part of Medina
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
No. But that was in the past; I'm asking whether today's generation of Muslims do it. As anticipated, the Muslims that have responded have said they wouldn't.
When Jerusalem is 'conquered' by the Muslims which btw is a poor choice of word because it always belonged to the believers, then there won't be Muslim/Christian/Jew divide (that is in fact the Muslim view if you want it) the war at the end is said to be a war between good and evil, and when Jesus (p) descends (again the Islamic view) he will reunite all under the true religion, the one that has always been!.. so pious Jews and christians and Muslims will be united as one perhaps not as many as those who will deny him and follow the anti-christ but it is said that the meek shall inherit the earth.. so the anti-christ and his army will be as nothing and Jerusalem once again will belong to the righteous!
all the best
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Re: Non-Muslims to be allowed to live in part of Medina
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
When Jerusalem is 'conquered' by the Muslims which btw is a poor choice of word because it always belonged to the believers, then there won't be Muslim/Christian/Jew divide (that is in fact the Muslim view if you want it) the war at the end is said to be a war between good and evil, and when Jesus (p) descends (again the Islamic view) he will reunite all under the true religion, the one that has always been!.. so pious Jews and christians and Muslims will be united as one perhaps not as many as those who will deny him and follow the anti-christ but it is said that the meek shall inherit the earth.. so the anti-christ and his army will be as nothing and Jerusalem once again will belong to the righteous!
all the best
100% true. What a beautiful answer. May it happen in our day and Jerusalem would be united under the power of belief.
Re: Non-Muslims to be allowed to live in part of Medina
format_quote Originally Posted by thetruth2009
Assalam aleykoum,
I do not understand people ?
How can we forbid somebody to go in part of the world ?
Jews, Christains, muslims are all from our father Abraham.
The point in common is one god, 3 holy books, 3 big prophetes.
We have to learn from each other, we have to break walls between us.
Walls between the 3 legislations ( not 3 religions ) 3 ways to worship god have been built by the Devil for centuries.
Nobody can imagine the power of the devil to send people to hell, or to show them that what they are doing is good and told by god.
I will never understimate his inteligence, I am always trying to think how the devil is doing to kurupt the religion of god.
I am always reading the quran to try to find out, I also read the bible because the bible is confirmed by the Quran.
Can you imagine if we forbide people to visit big mosque around the world ?
Maybe by visiting a mosque god can guide this personn, no ?
I do not understand people, its very sad, but I can not change that Allah SWT is doing his project, people they switch off their brain.
Everything is in front of you, but people are blind, not with eyes, but the eart is blind .
I ask god, allah, elohim, you can call him as you want he has the most beatiful name, to forgive us.
I ask god to guide us because if he does't guide us we risk to go to hell for eternity.
Assalam aleykoum sisters end brother in etrnity and in legislation of Mohamed SWS.
True! Very true.
I personally do not even think that the system of legalization can not be made to agree. Or maybe not to agree - but rather to coexist.
All that is needed is a bit of good will. After all - there is no reason why Allah would want to have three different legal systems which do not agree with each other completely.
Re: Non-Muslims to be allowed to live in part of Medina
format_quote Originally Posted by thetruth2009
Me too I agree with you.
God creat 3 laws for 3 ways to worship him.
We have differnces between us only with the way we pray him.
If I am not wrong our father is abraha no ?
Can somebody tell me what Allah SWT says to the prophete mohamed to say about our father Abraham ?
Assalam aleykoum.
I have no idea what you are talking about..
Most of the Jews we have today are descendants of khazars who converted to Judaism during the 11th c. christians worship a man names Jesus and that is the bulk of their religion. They are not descendants of Abraham (p) and they are not following the pure monotheistic path.. There are no three ways to God, There is only ONE. if you wish to take a detour you are free to do so, but you are not free to impose on us that it is what God wants!
all the best
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Re: Non-Muslims to be allowed to live in part of Medina
format_quote Originally Posted by thetruth2009
Assalam Aleykoum,
I agree with you, from the begining until the end of the world there is only a very few people in the monotheistic path.
Wa3lykoum aslaam.. indeed those who are given knowledge are few and far in between!
Its for that I make a DOUA evry day, I ask Allah, god, Elohim to guide me.
Islam isn't mere du3a, it is also striving for the truth!
Results وَمَثَلُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا كَمَثَلِ الَّذِي يَنْعِقُ بِمَا لَا يَسْمَعُ إِلَّا دُعَاءً وَنِدَاءً ۚ صُمٌّ بُكْمٌ عُمْيٌ فَهُمْ لَا يَعْقِلُونَ {171} [Pickthal 2:171] The likeness of those who disbelieve is as the likeness of one who calleth unto that which heareth naught except a shout and cry. Deaf, dumb, blind, therefore they have no sense.
Can I say I am in the right path today ?
I don't know, are you?
Can I say I am not associating with god in my worship, without noticing it ?
Only you can answer that question, it is worrisome that you can't distinguish shirk akbar and I wonder for your sake how that translates to shirk asghar!
Can I say the devil have not got me ?
Again, only you can answer that!
I am sure of nothing, I am scared, I do not want to go to hell and I am not wishing it to anybody.
Indeed he who worships without knowledge is prey to many bad portals!
How I can be sure I am in the right Path, the only way is to ask Allah SWT to guide me, I am every day to read the revelation of god the Quran, I have always to control what people are telling me, I have to analyse.
Books help and so do scholars it isn't that difficult to take oneself out of ignorance!
I do not want to be send to hell by the teaching of Human, I am trying to reach Allah SWT every day.
OK!
Because its possible to reach Allah SWT, I have reached him once but nobody in this world will beleive me.
Why do you need others to believe something that is between you and God?
But since that day, I am trying to reach him again, but its very hard in this world of sin, the Iman is rising and descending.
Welcome to the human condition!
I have to fight against my NAFS and the bigest enemy of Human, the devil the very clever.
Best way to fight is to gain knowledge not wallow in fear and self-pity and rosy words that appease everyone!
One day inshallah if I am still alive, I will tell you about that night I reached Allah SWT.
OK
Assalam aleykoum.
wa3lykoum aslaam wr wb
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Re: Non-Muslims to be allowed to live in part of Medina
format_quote Originally Posted by thetruth2009
The point in common is our father Abraham no ?
In Al Quran Al KARIM :
1. In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Surah 3
95. Say: "(Allah) speaketh the Truth: follow the religion of Abraham, the sane in faith; he was not of the Pagans."
Surah 4
125. Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to Allah, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For Allah did take Abraham for a friend.
Can you tell me what do you understand above ?
Its for that I do not understand people who ban people from Mekka and Medina ?
Does Allah SWT can borbid his creation to go in any plca around the world ?
If yes give me the proof, I follow you ?
Assalam aleykoum
Did you also come across this?
3: 19]The religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will): nor did the people of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account.
you can't take snippets of the Quran to create a new religion. There is a proper exegesis and scholarship to religion!
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Re: Non-Muslims to be allowed to live in part of Medina
format_quote Originally Posted by thetruth2009
Assalam aleykoum,
I impose nothing, Allah SWT is watching me .
Surah 2
256. Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.
I say that Moses, jesus and mohamed SWS are descendent of Abraham is it true ?
I am also saying that I am not understand how people car act like that against people to forbid them the Makka or Medina ?
No one is forcing you to be Muslim, but don't expect to write outside of the folds of Islam without others pointing it out. You didn't say Jesus and Mohammed are descendants of Abraham you said Jews and Christians are, and I have already covered that and have no desire to repeat myself!
format_quote Originally Posted by thetruth2009
Assalam aleykoum,
I do not want to talk about that in this post, that will take a long time and is not the subject here.
Then Quit writing
I give you an advice if you want to understand the quran you have :
You can't give me an advise on the Quran if you have no idea of its contents or meaning!
1) to take all the Quran in his totality
The Quran isn't a He..
2) the big mistake to avoid is not to contradict any verse, because Allah SWT says no contradiction in the Quran
There are no contradictory verses in the Quran, there is however people with no understanding of the Quran and in their heart there is a sickness to perverse it!
Surah 4
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
82. Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy.
Your point being? You are incoherent at best!
3) if you contradict only one verse you have the wrong interpretation.
The religion of Abraham is Islam, just because you don't understand that doesn't mean that I or the Quran is in error- It means you are either (not a Muslim) not the first of your kind to grace us on board, or someone so uneducated in Islam that for your sake I suggest you receive proper guidance!
I am not saying I know every thing, just I have spending every day for the truth.
You are right, you don't have to say it, it is apparent to the naked eye!
I know nothing I am still learning and I am asking Allah SWT to teach me, he is the best teacher.
seeking whims isn't from God but from self!
I ak Allah SWT to forgive us and to teach us and to guide us you and all your family and all people.
You do that!
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Re: Non-Muslims to be allowed to live in part of Medina
format_quote Originally Posted by thetruth2009
I am also saying that I am not understand how people car act like that against people to forbid them the Makka or Medina ?
Allah SWT says in the Qur'an:
QS. 9:28
O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
And I have written in previous post also about the hadiths that created haram status for Madina
Re: Non-Muslims to be allowed to live in part of Medina
format_quote Originally Posted by thetruth2009
Assalam aleykoum,
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Surah 2
107. Knowest thou not that to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth? And besides Him ye have neither patron nor helper.
Surah 3
109. To Allah belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth: To Him do all questions go back (for decision).
Surah 5
97. Allah made the Ka'ba, the Sacred House, an asylum of security for men, as also the Sacred Months, the animals for offerings, and the garlands that mark them: That ye may know that Allah hath knowledge of what is in the heavens and on earth and that Allah is well acquainted with all things.
Surah 29
20. Say: "Travel through the earth and see how Allah did originate creation; so will Allah produce a later creation: for Allah has power over all things
How can we travel to the earth if part of it is forbideen ?
How people, who they call themself , muslims, they can forbid to others to go to the Kaaba ?
Can you tell me what do you read above if you are sincer ?
Assalam aleykoum.
Makkah and Madina is the holy places where we offer pray and worship Allah SWT.
And if you don't believe in Allah SWT, why would you go there?
Re: Non-Muslims to be allowed to live in part of Medina
format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ
When Jerusalem is 'conquered' by the Muslims which btw is a poor choice of word because it always belonged to the believers,
OK, I never used the term 'conquerer, but go on...
then there won't be Muslim/Christian/Jew divide (that is in fact the Muslim view if you want it) the war at the end is said to be a war between good and evil, and when Jesus (p) descends (again the Islamic view) he will reunite all under the true religion, the one that has always been!..
Fair enough...
so pious Jews and christians and Muslims will be united as one perhaps not as many as those who will deny him and follow the anti-christ but it is said that the meek shall inherit the earth.. so the anti-christ and his army will be as nothing and Jerusalem once again will belong to the righteous!
all the best
OK, nice Biblical quote you included. Although, I asked you whether non-Muslims would be permitted to live in Jerusalem, not what future Islamic beliefs say about Jerusalem. It is interesting though.
Re: Non-Muslims to be allowed to live in part of Medina
The Entry Of Non-Muslims In Makkah And Madinah
By Mufti Muhammad Taqi Usmani
There are three different injunctions in relation to the entry of non-Muslims into Arabia which should be understood separately, and should not be confused with each other :
The first injunction is found in the well-known Hadith:
Expel the mushriks from the Arabian peninsula (Bukhari)
All the Muslim jurists are unanimous on the point that this Hadith has banned the permanent citizenship of the Arabian pe- ninsula for the mushriks but has not prohibited their entry on their temporary visit to the peninsula. They may enter the peninsula and stay there for some time but they cannot live there as its permanent citizens*. In other words, the Arabian peninsula has been declared as a homeland for Muslims exclusively. So, if the foreign visitors or envoys or delegations have been allowed to enter the peninsula, it was, by no means, a contravention of the instruction of the Hadith quoted above.
The second injunction relates to the entry of the non-Muslims into the precincts of the Haram of Makkah. This injunction is based on Quranic verse contained in the Surah al-Bara'ah :
The Associators are impure. So they must not come near "Al-Masjid al-Haram" the Holy Mosque of Makkah.
But the Muslim jurists are not unanimous in the interpretation of this verse. Their different views are as follows :
1. According to the view of Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal and Imam Shafi'i this verse has banned the entry of the non- Muslims not only to the Holy Mosque, but also to the whole precincts of Haram including the city of Makkah.
2. Imam Malik extends this prohibition to all the masjids of the world. He says that the prohibition is based on the impu- rity of the non-Muslims and every masjid in every part of the world deserves to be immune from such impurity.
3. Imam Abu Hanifah interprets the verse in a quite different way. He says that it is not the non-Muslims that has been banned by this verse, but the context of the verse suggests that the non-Muslims have been forbidden from performing Hajj and Umrah. Before the revelation of this verse, the pagans of Arabia used to perform Hajj and Umrah. Even in the 9th year after Hijrah, when Abu Bakr (R.A) was made the leader of the Hajj a large number of the pagans of Arabia perf- ormed Hajj with him.
On this occasion the Surah of Bara'ah was revealed and their Hajj and Umrah was totally banned with effect from the next year. The Holy Prophet ( Sallaho Alaihai Wasallam ) sent Sayyidna 'Ali (R.A) to announce his prohibition in the plain of 'Arafat where he conveyed the injunctions of the Surah al-Bara'ah to all present in that Hajj. On that occasion he did not announce that the non-Muslims cannot enter the Holy Mosque after his year. Instead, he announced :
"No Associator shall perform Hajj after this year." Keeping in view the context of the verse of Surah al-Bara'ah and this historical background, Imam Abu Hanifah has not taken the verse as a prohibition against the entry of non-Muslims into the limits of Haram or into the Holy Mosque, but has confined the prohibition to the performance of Hajj or Umrah only. It means that the non-Muslims cannot (perform Hajj or Umrah).
Source: Contemporary Fatawaa by Mufti Taqi Usmani, p265-268
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Is it permissible for a non-Muslim to enter Madeenah?
Is it permissible for a non-Muslim to enter Madeenah, i.e., to enter the sanctuary (for a necessary purpose)?.
Praise be to Allaah.
Firstly:
It is not permissible allow the kuffaar to take up residence in the Arabian Peninsula. The scholars differed at to the definition of the boundaries of the Arabian Peninsula, but they did not differ as to the fact that Madeenah is part of it.
Ibn Qudaamah said:
It is not permissible for any of them (the kuffaar) to live in the Hijaaz. This is the view of Maalik and al-Shaafa’i, but Maalik said: I think that they should be expelled from all the Arab lands, because the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.” Abu Dawood narrated with his isnaad from ‘Umar that he heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “I will certainly expel the Jews and the Christians from the Arabian Peninsula,, and I will not leave anyone there but Muslims.” Al-Tirmidhi said: this is a saheeh hasan hadeeth. And it was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) left behind three instructions. He said: Expel the mushrikeen from the Arabian Peninsula, honour the delegations the way that I do, and he kept quiet about the third. Narrated by Abu Dawood.
Al-Mughni, 9/285, 286.
Secondly:
It is permissible for kuffaar to enter Madeenah for the purposes of trade, without staying there. They should be given enough time (to complete their business) then they should be told to leave. Ibn Qudaamah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
It is permissible for them to enter the Hijaaz for the purpose of trade, because the Christians used to trade with Madeenah at the time of ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him). An old Christian man came to him in Madeenah and said: “I am an old Christian man and your agent has taken the tithe from me twice.” ‘Umar said: “I am an old monotheist (haneef) man,” and ‘Umar wrote to the agent and said: “Only take the tithe once in a year, and do not allow them to stay for more than three days.” This is what was narrated from ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) and they should leave after that. Al-Qaadi said: Four days is the limit after which a traveller must offer prayers in full.
Al-Mughni, 9/286.
Thirdly:
What we have mentioned about Madeenah and its sanctuary does not apply to the sanctuary of Makkah. The kuffaar are forbidden to enter it under any circumstances.
It says in al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah (3/130, 131):
The majority of scholars – including Muhammad ibn al-Hasan among the Hanafis – are of the view that it is not permissible for kuffaar to enter the sanctuary of Makkah at all, The view of the Hanafis is that that is permissible if there is a treaty or they have permission.
With regard to the sanctuary of Madeenah, it is not forbidden for them to enter to bring a message, for trade or to bring some goods. A kaafir may not enter other parts of the Arab lands without permission or a treaty. The fuqaha’ have discussed this matter in detail. Ends.
Re: Non-Muslims to be allowed to live in part of Medina
format_quote Originally Posted by Supreme
OK, I never used the term 'conquerer, but go on...
Fair enough...
OK, nice Biblical quote you included. Although, I asked you whether non-Muslims would be permitted to live in Jerusalem, not what future Islamic beliefs say about Jerusalem. It is interesting though.
As far as I know, there is no restriction for non-Muslims to live in Jerusalem.
PS: Correct if I am wrong by sending a PM.
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