State multiculturalism has failed, says David Cameron

David Cameron has criticised "state multiculturalism" in his first speech as prime minister on radicalisation and the causes of terrorism.

I'm not surprised to hear this coming from David Cameron. He needs to raise the issue of national identity in order to distract the public from focusing on the cuts.

I heard the speech and was totally un-shocked by what I heard because for me, for a long time, it looked inevitable. Lots of different ethnic groups have come to the UK, some have kept a low profile, prospered and integrated. For many years Muslims in the UK adopted that profile and there was no problem. Starting some time after 9/11 there has been a vocal minority who have been beating a drum about who they are and what they want and what they want is there own dar-al-Islam within the UK. I have said here a hundred times that the British are a peaceful tolerant people but if you keep banging that drum eventually they will turn and start asking questions. That is now happening and again many times on this forum I have said that you would do well to look upon me as a useful tool to hone your skills on answering difficult questions because eventually they will be asked in open debate amongst the wider populous and in that arena they will be a lot more difficult to answer.

Multiculturalism is divisive, division is bad integration is good. That, like it or not, is the message that will be banging out of a different drum for the forthcoming future.

My advice to all the Muslims in the UK (which you will no doubt reject) is keep your heads down, your mouths shut and try to look a little less like a Muslim fundamentalist and hope that it’ll all blow over.

I see nothing wrong with what David Cameron has said.

And that's a first.

I suspect David Cameron has raised these issues to distract attention from the public sector cuts.

At a security conference in Munich, he argued the UK needed a stronger national identity to prevent people turning to all kinds of extremism.

National identity itself can lead to extremism. By extremism, I mean that some people might feel superior to other races and even towards British people who come from an ethnic background.

He also signalled a tougher stance on groups promoting Islamist extremism.

How would one define Islamist extremism? How are these groups promoting extremism?

The speech angered some Muslim groups, while others queried its timing amid an English Defence League rally in the UK.

This reinforces my suspicion that David Cameron has another motive. I doubt he is truly interested in national security issues.

As Mr Cameron outlined his vision, he suggested there would be greater scrutiny of some Muslim groups which get public money but do little to tackle extremism.

I personally believe Muslim groups should not receive money from the government, especially a government that declared wars against Muslim countries, supports Israel and promotes biased policies towards countries within Asia and even send some Muslim to Uzbekistan to be tortured.

Ministers should refuse to share platforms or engage with such groups, which should be denied access to public funds and barred from spreading their message in universities and prisons, he argued.

So, what has happened to freedom of speech?

Do they believe in equality of all before the law?

I believe in equity.

Do they encourage integration or separatism?

What does integration mean?

Conservative Party chairman Baroness Warsi hit back, saying that "to smear the prime minister as a right wing extremist is outrageous and irresponsible".

I agree. He's a neoconservative.

The government is currently reviewing its policy to prevent violent extremism, known as Prevent, which is a key part of its wider counter-terrorism strategy.

It will not work.

Lets keep this in context.

Some western countries (e.g. America and Britain) have created too many problems in the Middle East, created a monster (Israel), supports dictators (e.g. Saudi Royal Monarchy) and are spreading military bases across the world (e.g. Saudi Arabia, etc.) This is why 9/11 happened.

America responded like a lunatic and declared hostile relations to Syria, Iran, Cuba and waged wars against Iraq and Afghanistan. The mainstream media across the western world declared Muslims as ''terrorists,'' have ex-Muslims (e.g. Nonie Darwish, Wafa Sultan, Ayan Hissy) on their shows as though they are experts on Islam and the general public becomes paranoid. Right wing politicians became popular because they blamed all the problems on Muslims. Throughout America and Europe, some Muslims were attacked and beaten up. This has lead to London bombings attack.

America and Britain need to sort out their foreign policy, then this all issue of terrorism will be solved.

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I heard the speech and was totally un-shocked by what I heard because for me, for a long time, it looked inevitable. Lots of different ethnic groups have come to the UK, some have kept a low profile, prospered and integrated. For many years Muslims in the UK adopted that profile and there was no problem.

There have always been problems regarding ethnic divisions. I'm sure you heard of the Bradford riot?

Starting some time after 9/11 there has been a vocal minority who have been beating a drum about who they are and what they want and what they want is there own dar-al-Islam within the UK.

Yes, there are some Muslims that wanted the Sharia to be implemented. These people are allowed to voice their opinion because the laws allow this. At least it shows how the Iraqis feel when a foreign force comes to their nation and establish a system for them.

I have said here a hundred times that the British are a peaceful tolerant people but if you keep banging that drum eventually they will turn and start asking questions.

Not all British people (including both Muslims and non-Muslims) are peaceful and tolerant people. Hopefully, these people are a minority.

That is now happening and again many times on this forum I have said that you would do well to look upon me as a useful tool to hone your skills on answering difficult questions because eventually they will be asked in open debate amongst the wider populous and in that arena they will be a lot more difficult to answer.

I doubt anyone of us in real life are going to debate about these issues.

Multiculturalism is divisive, division is bad integration is good. That, like it or not, is the message that will be banging out of a different drum for the forthcoming future.

What does integration mean?

My advice to all the Muslims in the UK (which you will no doubt reject) is keep your heads down, your mouths shut and try to look a little less like a Muslim fundamentalist and hope that it’ll all blow over.

Most of us already have our mouth shut. Even if Muslims were really quiet, some people are going to say Muslims are not integrating and are secretly supporting terrorism and the usual rubbish.

This issue is not going to go away until its too late...

i dont get exactly how they would like muslims to integrate?

maybe they should put out leaflets for the muslims on how to be more british.. just so we know what we are doing wrong.

if the main point of address is extremists then blaim the extremists, why tell muslims in the community its our job to tackle extremism?
its like telling the white majority they are responsible for the BNP and such groups, the protection for the whole of the muslim community is just not there.. the piece of mind and security they would like is sadly missing.. maybe if we integrate the whole situation will just evaporate... but i doubt it.

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I was talking in general not about you.

No harm done.

The government will never acknowledge their mistake because they still continuing to make those mistakes.

Then the issue of terrorism will not be solved anytime soon.

North of England is the problem, Muslims are isolated. And I don’t how they managed to get like that.

Isolated in what way?

EDL was formed as a response to few Muslims who protested in soldiers’ funeral.

ELD has a problem with Muslims in general. They dislike Muslim women wearing the Niqaab, want the Muslims to re-interpret the Qur'aan and dislike the fact that so many Muslims do not support the troops. Until Muslims have left Islam or stop practicing Islam completely, these people will never be happy.

You may never accept these items but there are Muslims who use and accept these items from speakers.

Then they shouldn't. There are many ways to convey a particular point without using offensive terms. I acknowledge that there are Muslims that do and say bad things, in fact, I even created a topic about this:

The harsher you are, the more Islamic you are?

Overall, these are domestic issues. Before 9/11, there were racial issues within Britain, particularly involving Pakistanis. Following 9/11, these racial issues have transformed into religious issues.

There needs to be a clear distinction between foreign issues and domestic issues in order to understand the root cause.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12371994

the root causes of radicalisation,

forced marriage(read human rights violations)

mis-information on the plight of muslims across the world


i would agree that forced marriages are wrong, this is something that should be addressed on a personal basis as it is not taught as part of the religion.. household by household by household.. personal choice and in turn family turmoil.

mis-information, well the only place where the british forces are publicly placed is in iraq and afghanistan.. fighting terror against muslims.

nothing can be done for the palistinians, its not the fight of the british.. so whats the mis-information?
the war on terror is not the same as combating human rights violations wherever they may be?
i can understand the british army is stretched but i guess you could get more conscripts if it was intent in bringing a lasting peace to places of less strategic importance.

when the government is transparent about what it wants britain to be, then maybe the government can start asking for the support of british muslims without question... as is.. it goes against much of what we believe in islamicially... freedom, justice, morality and peace..
and i know it is easy to say these are not the values islam represents, that is the muslims fault.. we should try harder to be better muslims.

i so badly would like to see people of different faiths and colours living in the same land, in this case i am truely of the minority.