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    Locals turn against Taliban in eastern Afghanistan

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    Taliban-forced school closures and attacks have presented a big problem in Afghanistan. Residents in Andar are rebelling against the Taliban, but that doesn't mean that they are siding with the government.

    A group of villagers in eastern Afghanistan took up arms against the Taliban and say they’ve now managed to regain control.

    In Ghazni’s Andar district, one of the areas hit hardest by a series of recent Taliban-forced school closures, nearly 400 locals from eight villages in the eastern Afghan province reportedly gathered to confront the Taliban. In the two weeks of fighting, 11 people were reportedly killed; three from the citizens’ militia and eight Taliban fighters, but villagers say they’ve managed to reopen 81 of Andar’s 83 schools.

    Though the fighting in Andar may serve as an indication that locals now have less patience for the Taliban’s extremist ideologies than they did almost 11 years ago, it’s not a clear beacon of hope that the tide is turning toward stability in Afghanistan. So far, the uprising remains localized and those who have stood up against the Taliban say they’re not ready to side with the government either.

    “The uprising is happening because no one could tolerate the closure of the schools in the entire district. That’s why the ordinary citizens and tribal elders decided to start fighting for the schools,” says Nek Mohammad, a tribal elder in Ghanzi.

    Ghazni’s Taliban began threatening schools largely in response to a ban on unregistered motorcycles. Local authorities say the prohibition has severely restricted the insurgents’ movements and the Taliban sought to use school closures as a means to pressure the government to change the policy.

    “The schools are not the only problem. People are poor in the districts and sometimes 10 or 15 Taliban members will come to a family and force the family to feed them,” says Mohammad Jamil, a tribal elder in Ghazni. “People don’t feel free out there. Their freedom is restricted. If they want to stay alive out there, they’ll have to always say yes to the Taliban, and the government.”

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    Source: http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-...rn-Afghanistan
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    Re: Locals turn against Taliban in eastern Afghanistan

    ''The christian science monitor'' what a reliable source, sorry bro, i must take this article with a pinch of salt without evidence.
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    Re: Locals turn against Taliban in eastern Afghanistan

    ^^From experience, it doesn't matter if there is evidence from Afghani people themselves posted on this board, about the actions of the Taliban, it still won't be believed...
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    Re: Locals turn against Taliban in eastern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by LauraS View Post
    ^^From experience, it doesn't matter if there is evidence from Afghani people themselves posted on this board, about the actions of the Taliban, it still won't be believed...
    Well said.
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    Re: Locals turn against Taliban in eastern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by LauraS View Post
    ^^From experience, it doesn't matter if there is evidence from Afghani people themselves posted on this board, about the actions of the Taliban, it still won't be believed...
    Oh? List out that experience for us...
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    Re: Locals turn against Taliban in eastern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Jedi_Mindset View Post
    ''The christian science monitor'' what a reliable source, sorry bro, i must take this article with a pinch of salt without evidence.
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    I was just reading a CSM article the other day.. was another hilarious article by half wits.. they were praying that Shafeeq takes head of the presidency otherwise the brotherhood will do away with all Christians in Egypt.. Makes me wonder why we didn't do away with them since Amr ibn il3aas conquered Egypt some millenniums ago.
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    Re: Locals turn against Taliban in eastern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by لميس View Post
    I was just reading a CSM article the other day.. was another hilarious article by half wits
    Yea, let's all attack the source coz this article doesn't go well with our self-painted images of Taliban as angels and saints. They are the most noble of people. Of course, they won't do anything like this because there is clear cut evidence that shows Afghan's celebrate and hug these Taliban everywhere they see them. There is no fear of Taliban in Afghan people at all and they happily offer them residence and food just like Ansars of old.
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    Re: Locals turn against Taliban in eastern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Roasted Cashew View Post
    Yea, let's all attack the source coz this article doesn't go well with our self-painted images of Taliban as angels and saints. They are the most noble of people. Of course, they won't do anything like this because there is clear cut evidence that shows Afghan's celebrate and hug these Taliban everywhere they see them. There is no fear of Taliban in Afghan people at all and they happily offer them residence and food just like Ansars of old.
    Instead of writing this, why didn't you just go on the internet and find another source for this article so we could discuss it properly? That's all you had to do and still can do instead of trying to get into another argument with your brothers and sisters.
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    Re: Locals turn against Taliban in eastern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Roasted Cashew View Post
    Yea, let's all attack the source coz this article doesn't go well with our self-painted images of Taliban as angels and saints. They are the most noble of people. Of course, they won't do anything like this because there is clear cut evidence that shows Afghan's celebrate and hug these Taliban everywhere they see them. There is no fear of Taliban in Afghan people at all and they happily offer them residence and food just like Ansars of old.
    Isn't that the aim of your article? To malign the only source of resistance and insurgency in an otherwise subjugated country? The wars in Afghanistan aren't brought upon by the Taliban.. in fact they were borne from a group of students hence the name 'talib' who couldn't take the bullshit much longer. It isn't the taliban that invaded Afghanistan in 327 bc or 1839-42 or recently the Russians or the U.S thereafter nor the taliban responsible for the unending western greed for the region. I don't value your articles or your comments.. they do nothing for me except perhaps inspire a yawn. They work well to expose you as a hypocrite and garner for you the attention of the forum Tartuffes. I am not sure what you were going for there? a little reverse psychology? You've a long way to go greenhorn..

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    Re: Locals turn against Taliban in eastern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Aprender View Post
    trying to get into another argument with your brothers and sisters.
    Well, they are not brothers and sisters if they don't argue?? Unless my bros and sis clear their heads of prejudices for anything western, there's nothing I can really do that will satisfy them.
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    Re: Locals turn against Taliban in eastern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Roasted Cashew View Post
    Well, they are not brothers and sisters if they don't argue?? Unless my bros and sis clear their heads of prejudices for anything western, there's nothing I can really do that will satisfy them.
    I am American born and raised so you can drop the Western prejudice BS right now. I don't think anyone was trying to argue except for you. Just find another source for the article. Why is that so hard for you to do? By not doing so you're derailing your own thread.

    I'm sure you can understand why something coming from a website with that name wouldn't exactly be accepted on an Islamic forum with all things considered.
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    Re: Locals turn against Taliban in eastern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Aprender View Post
    Just find another source for the article. Why is that so hard for you to do?
    It's a CMS exclusive if not mistaken.
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    Re: Locals turn against Taliban in eastern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Aprender View Post
    I am American born and raised
    Not all bros and sis are American born and raised. Otherwise I would have cut off that "BS".
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    Re: Locals turn against Taliban in eastern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Roasted Cashew View Post
    It's a CMS exclusive if not mistaken.
    Of course it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Roasted Cashew View Post
    Not all bros and sis are American born and raised. Otherwise I would have cut off that "BS".
    You'd be surprised that quite a few of us on this forum live in the West. Anyway this is the problem that I have with you. Instead of just speaking with your fellow Muslims on this forum in a tolerable tone, you always feel the need to make witty comebacks, or making assumptions about all of our beliefs instead of being civil with us. It's really off putting to me.

    But anyway. I hope you can go ahead and discuss this topic here now with the other non-Muslim members on the forum as I've really nothing to say on the subject matter and I don't want this to go any further off-topic. Have a good day.
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    Re: Locals turn against Taliban in eastern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by لميس View Post
    Isn't that the aim of your article? To malign the only source of resistance and insurgency in an otherwise subjugated country?
    The purpose was to expose that they do sometimes transgress in their battle for resistance. One can not just hold the banner of resistance and then keep on doing whatever he likes. They have to be accountable for their actions and we HAVE to hold them accountable. Taliban has got so many factions that it is hard to tell which one is still pure in the fight and which will do anything for political and personal gains under the banner of Islamic resistance.

    Quote Originally Posted by لميس View Post
    I don't value your articles or your comments
    I don't write any of these articles...so I don't care. I do write the comments but I still don't care.

    Quote Originally Posted by لميس View Post
    I am not sure what you were going for there? a little reverse psychology? You've a long way to go greenhorn
    Considering, I am the newbie here, why was it hard for you to comprehend what was I going for?
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    Re: Locals turn against Taliban in eastern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Roasted Cashew View Post
    Residents in Andar are rebelling against the Taliban, but that doesn't mean that they are siding with the government.

    A group of villagers in eastern Afghanistan took up arms against the Taliban and say they’ve now managed to regain control.

    In Ghazni’s Andar district, one of the areas hit hardest by a series of recent Taliban-forced school closures, nearly 400 locals from eight villages in the eastern Afghan province reportedly gathered to confront the Taliban. In the two weeks of fighting, 11 people were reportedly killed; three from the citizens’ militia and eight Taliban fighters, but villagers say they’ve managed to reopen 81 of Andar’s 83 schools.

    Though the fighting in Andar may serve as an indication that locals now have less patience for the Taliban’s extremist ideologies than they did almost 11 years ago, it’s not a clear beacon of hope that the tide is turning toward stability in Afghanistan.
    The article quoted above is from 4th June 2012.

    Yet, according to Reuters, in Andar, the same place mentioned in the article you quoted, even as far back as January 2011, even girls schools were already operating:

    Now, schools are said to be operating in all Pashtun (i.e. mainly Taleban-controlled) districts of Ghazni; in Andar, even girls’ schools are also said to be working, he says.
    And not due to taking up arms, or fighting, or killing, as some might have you believe:

    But basically they have been sending petitions to the Taliban to let schools open in the areas they control and the Taliban could be responding to that pressure, Ruttig says citing local sources.
    http://blogs.reuters.com/afghanistan...ntler-taliban/
    Last edited by Insaanah; 06-06-2012 at 10:00 PM.
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    Re: Locals turn against Taliban in eastern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Insaanah View Post
    The article quoted above is from 4th June 2012.

    Yet, according to Reuters, in Andar, the same place highlighted in the article you quoted, as far back as January 2011, even girls schools were operating:
    Appreciate that someone actually bothered to do a little research rather than blindly attacking me or the source. Anyway Sis, I think the CMS article mentions that the schools have been closed again recently because:

    Quote Originally Posted by Roasted Cashew View Post
    Taliban began threatening schools largely in response to a ban on unregistered motorcycles. Local authorities say the prohibition has severely restricted the insurgents’ movements and the Taliban sought to use school closures as a means to pressure the government to change the policy.
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    Re: Locals turn against Taliban in eastern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Roasted Cashew View Post
    Taliban began threatening schools largely in response to a ban on unregistered motorcycles. Local authorities say the prohibition has severely restricted the insurgents’ movements and the Taliban sought to use school closures as a means to pressure the government to change the policy.
    The motorcycles ban, which is supported by the United States and its NATO allies, has drastically restricted insurgent movements and increased friction between the Taliban and government, Afghan security officials said.
    http://www.siasat.com/english/news/a...n-shut-schools

    Why is that not surprising? Nothing like a bit of foreign meddling is there, to interfere in Muslims affairs? And nothing like a bit of foreign meddling to make sure that their troops are still needed. Sow a bit of conflict and discord, and then work your way in:

    As NATO troops continue to leave Afghanistan, it is the only province that will see a net gain in the number of foreign troops on the ground over coming months.
    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/world/talib...#ixzz1x3Rqnt5T

    That has been the way of invading/occupying forces from the colonial age and long before.
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    Re: Locals turn against Taliban in eastern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Insaanah View Post




    http://www.siasat.com/english/news/a...n-shut-schools

    Why is that not surprising? Nothing like a bit of foreign meddling is there, to interfere in Muslims affairs? And nothing like a bit of foreign meddling to make sure that their troops are still needed. Sow a bit of conflict and discord, and then work your way in:



    Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/world/talib...#ixzz1x3Rqnt5T

    That has been the way of invading/occupying forces from the colonial age and long before.

    The government bans unregistered motorcycles which hurts insurgents....and they respond by hurting the education of thousands of children. Way to go. Clearly their strategists and military leaders are a bit dumb and short-sighted. If Taliban is so much for education, isn't it kinda funny that they are responding to pressure by going against their own principles?? So education for children is ONLY government's concern?...and of no concern at all for the Taliban? - that they are closing them down? Sis, clearly the enemy is very smart and our insurgents... Yet, I am hopeful and pray that Allah gives us a charismatic, smart, and a noble leader which can lead all these insurgent groups and defeat the enemy.

    Thanks for providing other links.
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    Re: Locals turn against Taliban in eastern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by لميس View Post


    Oh? List out that experience for us...
    I've posted webistes showing videos, stories, photographs of Taliban crimes. Websites of charities established by men and women who fled Afghanistan, but members dismissed the charities people and websites claiming they had been influenced by the west and the women were just feminists.

    I've said this a billion times but I'll say it again: a member of this forum had family that fled Afghanistan because of the Taliban and members refused to pay him attention either. And yet members also refused to judge the Taliban unless they heard of first hand experience- didn't that member's family have first hand experience? Yet because it wasn't the glorious stuff people wanted to hear of moral and just men gently guiding the Afghani people no one wanted to know.

    I don't support the actions of the west in Afghanistan, but I certainly do not support the Taliban either.
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