ENGLAND: Home of the Islamophobe extremists...

Please STAY SAFE my sisters.

Brothers let your sisters and mothers know what's what outside right now. There's been over 163 reported attacks on Muslims in the past few days. Please be cautious. May Allah protect you all and deal with these ignorant #racist cowards in whatever manner He wishes ameen These cowards go and attack defenseless women Subhanallah. If you see a sister being attacked or think someone's following her or acting suspicious u better deal with it and be there for them inshaAllah. Could easily be one of our mothers. These racist scumbags have no self respect #TERRORISTS #EDL #WoolwichReaction

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Any news on the men who killed the soldier?

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Of course, it will achieve nothing. But for anyone unfamiliar with London it's worth saying that the location of this murder (Woolwich) is a very poor, deprived area with high unemployment, high immigration, and an old white working class community who feel they have lost out in every direction to incomers. The fact that two of those unwlecome incomers have now committed this atrocity pours petrol onto flames. I don't say this is right - but that's the way it is.

This is not the kind of community which is likely to take a liberal, understanding attitude.

Are you from the UK?

So you're suggesting the "incomers" and "high immigration" is what's to blame for what's happened to Woolwich? I was there just two days before the murder bro and I saw lots of white people there who seemed to be working just as hard as the "incomers".

I find it very offensive that you'll very subtly blame "incomers" and the "high immigration" for what's happened to Woolwich as a town, and subsequently justify that white people should rightly feel a bitter resentment towards "incomers" because somehow they have "lost out in every direction to incomers", and people of other races haven't lost anything but have made some sort of a gain!

The murder in Woolwich has done nothing for the Muslim community except making life far more difficult to live as a Muslim without being hassled by the law or by racists. It doesn't just affect certain Muslims in a certain locality but it affects every individual Muslim in the UK regardless of age, gender or background (even if it's a revert). Muslims are far more susectable to taunts, physical/verbal/cyber abuse along with a degree of neglect from the authorities because of being a Muslim. Take the causal approach of the police towards the brutal murder by a suspected white man in Birmingham two days ago, hardly any media coverage or sympathy for a man who was killed just as brutally. Same goes to arson attacts, vandalism and other violent attacks at mosques and Muslim-owned businesses – all in the space of a week! Was there any sympathy for one of the Muslims who owned a business that was attacked mentioning that his father had passed away very recently? Talk about giving the word 'stereotype' a whole new definition!

If you truly had any sense of equity in your response you'd have blamed every individual equally for not using their skills and intelligence productively to improve the image of Woolwich. Every human being, regardless of race, colour or background, contributes to the well-being of their locality and it is nothing but downright racism if one thinks other facts, like "incomers", are to blame.

And just out of curiosity, who in the world is going to have a "liberal, understanding attitude" towards a brutal murder? Is this dependant on time, place and thriving and prosperous community? I think not!

I see you've added to your post.

format_quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif

So you're suggesting the "incomers" and "high immigration" is what's to blame for what's happened to Woolwich?

No - if you read my post I say 'I don't say this is right'.

format_quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif

I find it very offensive that you'll very subtly blame "incomers" and the "high immigration" for what's happened to Woolwich as a town, and subsequently justify that white people should rightly feel a bitter resentment towards "incomers" because somehow they have "lost out in every direction to incomers",

I don't blame incomers, see above. But low or unskilled workers in deprived areas do blame incomers and have done for decades, so this was a place where extreme reactions were always likely. This is a high violent crime area in the first place. If the same crime happened in Tunbridge Wells there would be astonishment and even more coverage, but not much local hassle for Muslims.

format_quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif

It doesn't just affect certain Muslims in a certain locality but it affects every individual Muslim in the UK regardless of age, gender or background (even if it's a revert).

Of course it does. Many terrorist acts are designed to do this, in order to alienate more people from the wider community and eventually provide more support/recruits. Police 'stop and search' was always a fantastic recruiting sergeant for the IRA.

format_quote Originally Posted by 'Abd-al Latif

And just out of curiosity, who in the world is going to have a "liberal, understanding attitude" towards a brutal murder? Is this dependant on time, place and thriving and prosperous community?

Yes it is.

Why don't you guys take your discussion the thread below, this thread is not about non-britains but britains and their islamophobic extremism and intolerance to non-Anglos.

http://www.islamicboard.com/general/...e-respond.html

UK moves to gag ‘poisonous’ radical preachers, clamp down on Internet extremism


The UK Prime Minister has announced an anti-terror task force to clamp down on the "poisonous narratives" of radical preachers who target recruits in schools, jails and mosques. However, some fear the government’s efforts could actually worsen extremism.
According to the Daily Mail, the unit was launched by Prime Minister David Cameron in the wake of the brutal murder of Lee Rigby, a 25-year-old drummer in the British Army. Rigby was beheaded in southeast London’s Woolwich neighborhood by two men who said the murder was motivated by the UK’s involvement in the Afghanistan and Iraq wars.

The Tackling Extremism and Radicalization Task Force (TERFOR) will be composed of key Cabinet ministers, including Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg, Home Secretary Theresa May and Chancellor George Osborne, as well as Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe and Director General of the Security Service Andrew Parker.

“We are looking at the range of powers and current methods of dealing with extremism at its root, as opposed to just tackling criminal violent extremism. And we will look at ways of disrupting individuals who may be influential in fostering extremism. We cannot allow a situation to continue where extremist clerics go around this country inciting young people to commit terrorist acts. We will do everything we can to stop it,” an unidentified source told the Daily Mail.

TERFOR will study a number of young people who have become radicalized, like Rigby’s murderers, the newspaper reported. The source stressed that “there is no question of restricting freedom of speech – this is about preventing people spreading the message of extremism and radicalization in a totally irresponsible and reckless way.”

Last week, three men were taken into custody for anti-Muslim speech on Twitter and Facebook, and one was charged with "malicious communications" on Facebook. Two others were arrested under the Public Order Act “on suspicion of inciting racial or religious hatred.”
Demonstrators protest against the killing of British soldier Lee Rigby, outside the Woolwich barracks in southeast London May 26, 2013 (Reuters / Olivia Harris)

Terror videos a hit on the Internet


While Cameron asks UK Muslims to be more proactive in condemning Islamist terrorism, there are hundreds of videos promoting terror and telling British Muslims to wage jihad available on the Internet, including Al-Qaeda training videos and sermons.

Google chief Eric Schmidt, whose company owns YouTube, believes some of the videos could help intelligence services and police track down potential terrorists. “We have taken the decision that information, if it’s legal, even if it’s despicable, will be indexed,” Schmidt said during the Hay literary festival.

UK Home Secretary Theresa May said on Sunday that it is “essential” to grant intelligence agencies the capacity to access communications data, despite overwhelming opposition to the Draft Communications Data Bill revealed last year.

The bill – widely known as the ‘snooper’s charter’ – would have given agencies, including police and intelligence services, access to information and data collection by Internet service providers, including web browsing histories, social media messages and online gaming, storing them all for 12 months.

Shortly after the killing last week, UK authorities slammed the media for giving airtime to radical cleric Anjem Choudary, who refused to condemn the attack. "A mistake of the BBC to invite Anjem Choudary onto the telly tonight," shadow Defense Secretary Jim Murphy wrote on Twitter.

The Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) has decried Rigby’s murder in a statement on its website, saying that “after Woolwich, we understand the Prime Minister needs an effective strategy in the face of such a horrific instance of extremism.”

“The killers of Drummer Lee Rigby attempted to sow division amongst Britons through the propaganda of their deed. Yet in large numbers, British Muslims stood up and declared loudly and clearly that this murder was not in our name,” the MCB said.

However, the group went on to stress that it still hoped “wisdom prevails” in how the government handles the issue: "We must be vigilant and ensure we do not inadvertently give into the demands of all extremists: Making our society less free, divided and suspicious of each other. Lessons from the past indicate that policies and measures taken in haste can exacerbate extremism."

http://rt.com/news/terfor-tackle-extremism-cameron-830/


anyone who has a brain should think now.

I thought I'd share this comment from a friend who is a female clergy in the Church of England. I think she makes some good points.

I'd appreciate some feedback on a few thoughts.

Just as women's rights will not be acknowledged without also acknowledging the human rights of all, and that men's lives are just as affected by the oppression of women - so all of us must discern what part each of us has played in the radicalisation of the more vulnerable in our society - whether we are Muslim or Christian or atheist.
From the manner in which Islam is portrayed in the media and by government, to the reluctance to label far right groups as 'radicalised' and potential terrorists.
There was the case recently in Leicestershire of young teenagers collecting pipe bombs in order to attack their Muslim classmates - is this not also terrorism? Is this not also 'radicalisation'?

What do we focus on as a society?
Culturally we focus on where others go wrong and practically celebrate it. Perhaps we are all culpable for the poison within our society.

Is it possible to find a way of celebrating what is positive? And realise that it is only in working together we can truly safeguard the young and vulnerable?

EDL are cowards, i cant wait till they come here again. Last time they ran away after stirring up trouble.
I want to meet that tommy robinson straight in my face and lets see if he still has a big mouth.

Salaam

Here's another response to the situation unfolding.


An Advice from Hizb ut-Tahrir to the Muslim Community after the Woolwich Killing



We have been here before. Yet, listening to the reactions, it would seem, on first impressions, that few people have learned anything constructive and that many will use this event for political gain.

In the last 24 hours we have seen back-to-back coverage and countless commentators, politicians and self-styled spokesman lining up to talk about Islam and ‘extremism’.

The media has labelled this killing an act of ‘terror’ against an entire population, when it has the appearance of a targeted, bloody act that would shock anyone with concern for human life. Sadly, such labeling of some acts of violence as ‘terrorism’ and others as ‘targeted strikes’ or ‘defensive actions’ underline the fact that much of commentary is little more than propaganda.

Political leaders march out to say they will not be cowed by ‘terror’, but then give the impression that everyone ought to be terrified – by talking of instructing off-duty soldiers to wear civilian clothing instead of uniform. We would not be surprised if they went on to implement some macho security measures, so exacerbating ordinary peoples’ fears that they are in immediate mortal danger from a hidden enemy.

In their rush to comment before the facts are clear, some panicky Muslims protest their innocence – and inadvertently reinforce the false narrative that the Muslim community isn’t doing enough to prevent this type of attack. They would do well to hear the intelligent view expressed that Muslims shouldn’t have to distance themselves from this sort of attack.

Far-right bigots use the episode to make a more generalised attack on Muslims, immigrants and ‘creeping Shari’ah’ – whilst the MP George Galloway has somehow made a comparison to those rebelling against Assad in Syria! Within hours, everyone seems to be making political mileage out of this incident, before all the facts are actually confirmed

In the face of this complex situation we make the following statements:

1. This episode will once again be used to try to silence critics of UK foreign policy and label religious Muslims as extreme.

The narrative that has been spun for the past 8 years in the UK is that British government foreign policy is NOT the cause of terror. Rather, it is spun that Muslims who have a grievance about foreign policy or who are more religious are the dangerous ones.

Those who are religious, who hold orthodox Islamic views, will be labelled with increased vigour as ‘extremists’ on a road to terrorism and those who legitimately criticise belligerent, colonial policies in the Muslim world will be labelled as peddling a perverse ideology that needs tackling at its root.

We urge Muslims to resist this pressure. Whilst it is necessary to clarify to everyone that Islam considers it haram to take innocent life, it would be wrong to become silent about injustices where we see them. One should not allow fanatical media coverage to silence our criticism and the work to eradicate the scourge of occupation and colonialism in the Muslim world and unite the Muslim Ummah under the Islamic Khilafah State.

Allah (swt) says:

Believers, have taqwa of Allah, and speak in a direct fashion and to good purpose, and He will put your actions right for you and forgive you your sins. [Surah Ahzab 33:70].

If today is not the day to address foreign policy or injustices in Muslim lands, then tomorrow is not a day to remain silent about such matters. To address such things in a political and intellectual way is not ‘extremism’, but part of what our Deen instructs in speaking against munkar.

Nor would it be right for Muslims to shy away from what Islam really does say about war and peace, fighting and political matters – allowing the vacuum to be filled by people who either justify every act of violence through Islam, or who say Islam has nothing to say about such matters.

Our words should be frank but not discourteous, honest but not trampling over people’s concerns and sensitivities.

2. This episode will be used to create fear about Islam amongst ordinary people in society, stirring hatred and peddling myths.

Average men and women in the UK get their information about Islam from politically motivated media stereotypes – and individuals who are either paid or promoted to tell them that ‘Islamists’ (their words for those who look to Islam to address any of life’s affairs) are today’s bogeymen.

It is only when sincere Muslims up and down the UK engage with people upon an honest and complete view of Islam – through their ideas and deeds – that an average UK man or woman has any chance of understanding anything different.

Our duty as Muslims in the West is to carry this Deen and to explain it in an honest way to the ignorant or misled.

We should open our Mosques and invite neighbours to talk about Islam – and be prepared to answer the difficult questions non-Muslims have.

We must instruct our community on how to be able to answer these difficult questions – not to shy away from them, nor to reinvent Islam to make it compatible with secular-liberal ideas, thinking we are pleasing them.

We should hold fast to the noble Islamic values so that in our personal lives people see the example of this beautiful Deen.

We should not fall into traps laid for us, to become locked into the agenda of the far-right racists and so get entangled into conflicts with people who are essentially jahil – when Allah SWT tells us that the slaves of the Most Merciful are those…”who walk on the earth in humility and sedateness, and when the jahil address them (with bad words) they reply with mild words of gentleness.” [Surah Furqan 25:63]

Our role should be to carry dawah, as Allah commands:

“Call to the Way of your Lord with wisdom and a good admonition, and debate with them in a manner that is good.” [Surah al-Nahl 16:125]

In Summary:

This is our sincere advice. The Muslim who holds fast to their Deen with sincerity and steadfastness at such difficult times can look to Allah ‘Azza wa Jall to help them.

However, our sincere advice to anyone who deviates from their Deen – who does actions of any nature, whether political or physical, that contradict the Shari’ah of Allah – whether driven by fear of others, or expectation of some short-term gain, or revenge, or any other reason – cannot expect anything but humiliation.

But if they turn away, Say: “Allah is sufficient for me: there is no god but He: Upon Him is my trust, and He the Lord of the Throne (of Glory) Supreme!” [Surah At-Tauba 9:129]

http://www.hizb.org.uk/

found this online...

Imam Asad Zaman:

Quote:
In terms of connecting religion with what's happened and these sort of people that indulge in this sort of behaviour, MI5's own Behavioural Science Unit in June 2008 said 'Far from being religious zealots a large number of those involved in terrorism do not practice their faith regularly. And indeed more interestingly..' they continue to say '...very few have been brought up in strongly religious households. There is evidence that a well established religious identity actually protects against violent radicalisation.'

Daughter of murdered Mohammed Saleem criticises police



The daughter of a man killed on his way home from a mosque says she believes his death was racially-motivated.

Mohammed Saleem, 75, was stabbed after leaving the Green Lane Mosque in Small Heath, Birmingham, on 29 April.

His daughter, Shazia Khan, said police were not listening to her family and her brother was threatened, apparently by the English Defence League, prior to their father's death.

Video: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ngham-22665571